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Subject: The future of Maricopa is millions of tons of poop
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DennaUser is Offline

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02/19/2008 11:12 PM Alert 
No. They want us to suffer. Killing cows and cutting off chicken beaks is much better business than doing something beneficial for society.
CliffinAZUser is Offline

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02/24/2008 2:34 PM Alert 
Posted By Denna on 02/19/2008 11:12 PM
No. They want us to suffer. Killing cows and cutting off chicken beaks is much better business than doing something beneficial for society.



Denna, given your attitude towards these practices, I'm assuming that you are either vegetarian or--at the very least--eat organic meat only (given that the organic farms don't do things like cutting off chicken beaks).  Remember that essentially all of the companies mass producing non-organic meat are using the same methods. 

If not--if you actually buy/eat non-organic meat, then you are being a bit hypocritical--by supporting something that you are complaining about through your own purchases!  It would be exactly like someone holding protests against the fur industry while walking around in a fur coat. 

If the above truly represents very strong beliefs that you hold, then hopefully you are living by them, whether or not it is easy or convenient (and given all of the available choices in our supermarkets, it is actually both).  Otherwise don't complain that something isn't "beneficial for society" when you yourself are reaping the benefits of it (i.e., the cheaper meat that is produced by the non-organic methods of farming).  You can't have it both ways.  The reason I bring this up is because I thought I remember you saying on another thread that you do eat non-organic meat, non-organic eggs, etc.  Of course, you might have changed that since then.  It just seems that if you have very strong convictions about something, you should also have the character to live your own life according to those convictions.

Unless, of course, what you are really trying to say is that you are perfectly ok with non-organic farming, but you just don't want it happening in your own backyard where you can smell it.  If that's the case, let's just be clear that this is what your argument is about, and not about protesting standard methods of non-organic farming that you are directly supporting every time you go to the supermarket to buy meat, eggs, or milk.

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02/25/2008 3:34 PM Alert 

Denna, another important thing to understand is the city's interdependence with the farming community. It's not about corruption or being in bed with anyone, but the fact that Maricopa has historically been an agricultural economy. In other words, the major industry revenue coming to this city has been from agriculture, given that Maricopa has one of the most successful agricultural industries in the entire state, built up over many years. The revenue coming in from those farms has fueled a lot of the development, etc. here, and is probably, in part, what made it possible for Maricopa to become a city in the first place. If you were to just 'get rid of the farms,' the city would immediately take an extremely nasty hit as it would lose a huge part of its budget. Now, what happens over time is that more and larger stores are built, and become a larger part of the economy, and eventually the farms are bought out as the land becomes more and more valuable to commerce.

This is how change happens--not by trying to sign a petition to 'kick out' the farms and thereby rob Maricopa of one of its largest sources of revenue going towards the city budget. Of course, if the goal is simply to ensure farm compliance with EPA regulations, etc., that's a somewhat more realistic goal, and one that I think you'd have a lot more support for than trying to 'oust' the farms.

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02/25/2008 4:31 PM Alert 

I don't care what the farms do as long as they stop stinking up the entire town in a 10 sq/mile radius. How dare they put us through that.

No if the farms went away, then we would lose some beer and cigarette income at circle K, and there would be a lot of vacant trailers in the old scary part of town past the Casino. The farmers don't live in civilization and they mock those of us who do with their rancid wet stink.

Honestly, the farmers don' spend their money here. Please. Just stop it. They pay some taxes yes. But who needs them if they are just bringing the entire town down into a smelly foreclosure pit of dispair.

Personally, I think the farmers are trying to drive out the middle class so their workers can buy our homes for pennies on the dollar. This is definitely an us vs. them thing. I don't mind farmers... I mind cow and chicken farmers who smell.

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02/25/2008 4:33 PM Alert 

The farmers are diabolical.  They engineered the real estate crash across the entire country to drive us out of Maricopa.

 

Kudos to them.

CliffinAZUser is Offline

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02/25/2008 8:08 PM Alert 

Denna, Denna, Denna...  First off, you're missing an obvious way in which a city collects revenue--from its businesses.  And historically, farming/agriculture has been Maricopa's MAIN economic base (i.e., the industry that provides Maricopa with the most revenue).  This balance has changed a bit over the last couple of years due to the influx of residents and the new businesses, but obviously, agriculture/farming would still be a major part of the revenue here--far from being a matter of 'a few taxes.' 

And you can't blame the foreclosures on the farmers (well, you could but it wouldn't really reflect reality...).  The increase in foreclosures is due to a housing market that has gone south as a result of (1) rampant speculation and (2) extremely risky loans that people took out--and real estate agents encouraged them to take out--when they were unrealistically convinced that the market would just keep going up.  This is the mindset of "it doesn't matter that this loan is going to completely balloon to the point of being non-affordable to me in a few years--by that point I will have made a killing and have moved out and bought property somewhere else." Then the market crashed and those people were stuck with a house they couldn't sell when they needed to and therefore had to foreclose on when the balloon hit.

It is a situation that is happening all over the country; the entire real estate industry nationwide is in trouble--to the point where the federal government is considering bailing out buyers who are upside down and bailing out national homebuilders who are on the brink of bankruptcy--which will probably do more harm than good.  To blame this on some local farmers in Maricopa is nuts!  The smell, yes.  The foreclosures, no.  Also, remember that the farms were here when Maricopa was booming as well; they obviously didn't stop people from buying in droves then.  The only thing that's really changed from then to now is that the real estate market has tanked all over. 

I know you would like to blame everything on the farms, but you need to take your blinders off at this point rather than saying things that are nuts--unless you're joking of course.  Maybe I just need my sense of humor repaired...

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03/01/2008 12:23 AM Alert 

This town reeks of crap. Denna, your definetly crazy.. But I kinda agree with you. I had a Belly Dump Truck full of Manure in front of me the other day when it was raining and guess what happened.. Yes.. it SHAT all over my car! The farmer's can take their Dually's and drive 25 mph in a 50 zone right up their A#$e$!

CliffinAZUser is Offline

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03/02/2008 12:59 PM Alert 

Oh, I completely agree about the smell So.SideClubFan, but as you said, Denna's definitely a fruit loop short of a full bowl.

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03/02/2008 5:32 PM Alert 
Posted By So.SideCubFan on 03/01/2008 12:23 AM

This town reeks of crap. Denna, your definetly crazy.. But I kinda agree with you. I had a Belly Dump Truck full of Manure in front of me the other day when it was raining and guess what happened.. Yes.. it SHAT all over my car! The farmer's can take their Dually's and drive 25 mph in a 50 zone right up their A#$e$!

LOL!  You said "shat"!!!


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03/25/2008 9:07 PM Alert 
Denna: When you gripe about a farmer dont talk with your mouth full......
JerriMUser is Offline

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05/15/2008 5:34 PM Alert 

The past present and future of Maricopa is the cow! Get used to it, I'm surprised you haven't already what with the cows having been here before you got here. The economy of  Pinal County area rests heavily on those gorgeous cows. The multi million dollar Daisy Brand sour cream and cottage cheese plant and the United Dairymen's yogurt plant in Casa Grande are being built because of the proximity to the Maricopa cow.

Where does the poop go?? It goes to Frito Lay and it is burned for energy. Frito Lay Pinal County is the first "green" plant in the Pepsi Cola corporation.The University of Arizona is studying the Maricopa area as a location for their Veterinary Science program specializing in the Bovine!. Make friends with your neighbor the cow. He's not going anywhere.

 

 

 

 

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