azsouthendzone
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 Alert | | Lowe's??? when and where? | | | |
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JasonY
Posts:1290
| | 10/22/2007 4:30 PM |
Alert | | Across from Harrah's supposedly. Lowe's or Home Depot. I don't get excited until I see them put the store sign on the building. Then I know it's for real.... | |
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Colgate
Posts:578
| | 10/22/2007 4:58 PM |
Alert | | Well, I received an email from one of the planners on Vestar's board representing Maricopa. He told me that retail follows roof tops! They are waiting on 70-80 and I replied back that we have zero box stores out here aside from Fry's and Bashas and we need it to start filling the empty roof tops! I do not know our exact population here at this time and I am hoping retail is soon. If anyone else knows the facts on the numbers please put them out there for us. Fritzy where are you? Ruby Tuesdays, I was told is due in May 2008 and that too was from corp. at Ruby Tuesdays via email. What we need to do instead of having Lano's mindset is to start contacting people like Vestar and others who are proposed to break ground here and voice our needs if you feel this city board is not working for us. I even challenge Lano to jump on the band wagon! | |
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Lano
Posts:266
| | 10/22/2007 5:37 PM |
Alert | | Colgate....I'm trying to find any good news from our city to hang my hat on here. Have you noticed that most of the stories are about things that are years away, transportation issues etc.. I'll be the first one on the bandwagon if it looks like things will turnaround. How much more time can we invest? | | | |
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Colgate
Posts:578
| | 10/22/2007 9:15 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Lano on 10/22/2007 5:37 PM
Colgate....I'm trying to find any good news from our city to hang my hat on here. Have you noticed that most of the stories are about things that are years away, transportation issues etc.. I'll be the first one on the bandwagon if it looks like things will turnaround. How much more time can we invest? </div>
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LoriR
Posts:30
| | 10/22/2007 11:18 PM |
Alert | Reading all of the negativaty some of you have is really sad. If you expected a Home Depot to pop up the day after you moved in, than that is your bad...do your homework. This city can only grow so fast and the housing market situation has impacted the entire country, not just Maricopa.
Life is what you make of it. I feel bad for some of you who are clearly unhappy no matter what. | | | |
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maricopacabana
Posts:330
| | 10/23/2007 6:50 AM |
Alert | | when we moved here in 04 we expected it would be at least 6 years before things were really starting to develop. This is looking to be an accurate guess. | | | |
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GilaGuy
Posts:789
| | 10/23/2007 6:37 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By maricopacabana on 10/23/2007 6:50 AM
when we moved here in 04 we expected it would be at least 6 years before things were really starting to develop. This is looking to be an accurate guess.</div>
We said the exact same thing in early 2004, thought we might have overestimated it in late 2004 when the boom hit, and realized in 2006 that we were probably right all along. Funny how that works. :-) | | | |
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Fritzydoodle
Posts:918
| | 10/23/2007 7:49 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Colgate on 10/22/2007 4:58 PM
Well, I received an email from one of the planners on Vestar's board representing Maricopa. He told me that retail follows roof tops! They are waiting on 70-80 and I replied back that we have zero box stores out here aside from Fry's and Bashas and we need it to start filling the empty roof tops! I do not know our exact population here at this time and I am hoping retail is soon. If anyone else knows the facts on the numbers please put them out there for us. Fritzy where are you? Ruby Tuesdays, I was told is due in May 2008 and that too was from corp. at Ruby Tuesdays via email. What we need to do instead of having Lano's mindset is to start contacting people like Vestar and others who are proposed to break ground here and voice our needs if you feel this city board is not working for us. I even challenge Lano to jump on the band wagon!</div>
Retail has it's proverbial eye on Maricopa. But don't hold your breathe for any of the big box/mall types to set up shop in the next couple years. Maricopa doesn't have the demographics needed to support that type of expenditure on their part. Casa Grande is just now hitting the numbers... and that's only if you add in Coolidge, Eloy, Toltec and Arizona City.
Home Depot opened in CG three years ago. Lowes earlier this year. Target, Dillards, Kohls etc this month. You need a shopping base of 60-100K people to support malls and megabox stores.
Depending on who is doing the estimates, Maricopa is less than 30K. Vestar is correct - retail follows rooftops. Industrial follows retail. It's a very precise pattern that rarely deviates.
Maricopa is a cusp community. Too small for large retailers, but with a limited customer base wanting large retailers. You've seen the businesses shut down in the past few months - Ramseys, Century 21, Fidelity Title and now Cexi. Retail operations can't afford rents of $25+ per square foot, triple net. A 1200 sq ft retail store (30x40), which is small by the way would cost the renter $30,000 per year plus NNN (about another 4-5K). That's $2916 per month. Now add utilities, insurance, etc and you are fast approaching $4K a month. Now add employees and merchandise. Depending on the type of merchandise sold, figure a 2-3x cost/retail. You are now at a monthly sales gross of $12,000 and you have yet to break even.
That's why businesses are closing. There are not enough people purchasing their limited product line. Yes, certain businesses will survive. But many will not.
The town will survive. It will get worse before the economy turns around however. And only then will the retail phase begin to grow again. I wouldn't be surprised to see other retailers who've announced "Opening Spring 2008" to hold off until "Spring 2010" or later. It takes a lot of money to build a big box store Home Depot size - around $7-12 million. They will not spend that kind of money only to have the store fail. | |
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Lano
Posts:266
| | 10/23/2007 8:13 PM |
Alert | | Fritzy Doodle is dead right. And how do you get the rooftops filled? By making this a great place to live. Open spaces, parks, trails, golf courses, beautify this hell hole. This is what people are drawn to. Do this and the rest will come. If you want to take a stroll to the store, you can't, no sidewalks, no landscaping it's a mess. Leave the locals who moved down here years ago alone. We do not need to annex more land, we have to take better care of what we have. | | | |
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garden glow
Posts:661
| | 10/23/2007 8:30 PM |
Alert | Kudo's to Colgate...
expending the energy and time to contact the "Big Boys:...
but, we seem to be in a ........Catch 22!
We won't come unless you come!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'll embrace whatever happens in this town with open arms...be it good or bad.......
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Fritzydoodle
Posts:918
| | 10/23/2007 8:47 PM |
Alert | You are 100% correct Garden Glow. It IS a catch22. The biggest problem Maricopa is facing is the rapid growth the community experienced the past few years. All you business owners know you can't expand too rapidly and successfully keep up. A slow and steady growth is what is financially healthy for expansion. Double and triple digit growth strains and overtaxes the business.
The same held true for the City. Too many homes were built. Too many people moved to the community without infrastructure in place. Well, people are now leaving for whatever reason. While a temporary negative, it will allow the city to catch up to the needs of the residents.
Keep telling yourselves... one of these days...
If it makes you feel any better - a lot of us managed to live quite happily in Maricopa before Frys, Bashas and all the other retail stores opened. Heck - they still don't deliver pizza where I live! | |
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Colgate
Posts:578
| | 10/23/2007 10:54 PM |
Alert | Thanks for the info Fritzy, I knew you of all people would have the #'S of the city population thus far! I guess 30 is a far cry from 70! Anyway...I am keeping my chin up. Okay, so we don't get our stores right away, Lano mentioned the beautification of the city. Who wants to jump on the band wagon and be the ring leader to put heat on the city to do something! I will back whoever wants to get that ball rolling. Lano how bout you? Heck, if the city supplies us with the necessary materials for example drought tollerant plants, and a nice sign at the north entrance of the city and such I would get out there and dirty my hands and sweat to help get the job done! I read on the Harrah's web site the ratings that different guests from all over the map wrote and I found it sad that a few people mentioned the resort was nice but, the city has nothing to offer as far as stuff to do! Tissue please! That is sad! | |
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Fritzydoodle
Posts:918
| | 10/24/2007 9:58 AM |
Alert | Sorry Colgate - you CAN'T go planting and beautifying the entrance to the City. Why? Because that is a state highway - ADOT's jurisdiction. You would get in serious trouble and they would end up ripping it out.
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celltech
Posts:152
| | 10/24/2007 12:12 PM |
Alert | | I'm with you guys. ADOT needs to give jurisdiction of the 347 in Maricopa to the city. Then hopefully it would get some attention. Heck, ADOT doesn't even sweep the rocks off the streets. | |
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Lano
Posts:266
| | 10/24/2007 12:49 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Fritzydoodle on 10/24/2007 9:58 AM
Sorry Colgate - you CAN'T go planting and beautifying the entrance to the City. Why? Because that is a state highway - ADOT's jurisdiction. You would get in serious trouble and they would end up ripping it out.
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ADOT would gladly turm over the responsibility to our city if they beared the costs of the upkeep, they do this a lot. I do not think that this is a priority for for us.....why I do not know. | | | |
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Fritzydoodle
Posts:918
| | 10/24/2007 1:22 PM |
Alert | That's just it - you want it - it's your's forever.
And at a quarter mil per traffic signal, a million per mile for highway grade construction, constant state of construction around development... I think cost is the main factor why it remains the states responsibility.
Casa Grande has the same situation. Florence Blvd and Pinal Avenue, the two main arterials in CG are actually controlled by ADOT as state highways. Pain in the tush on occasion - but the costs are not a burden on the city. | |
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Sinbad
Posts:3018
| | 10/24/2007 1:37 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Lano on 10/22/2007 12:21 PM
If the leaders wanted to, they could set aside money to clean up the medians and have them professionally landscaped. What looks nicer weeds and trash, or trees bushes and rocks?? They have'nt made this a priority.....why? First impressions for potential homebuyers and businesses are huge. Spending $500,000 on a driveway and not a penny on this is ridiculous.</div>
If only they could... the 347 I.E. John Wanye parway belongs to ADOT. | |
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Sinbad
Posts:3018
| | 10/24/2007 1:43 PM |
Alert | One thing we can do to make it better is to refer to Maricopa as a CITY. I know it's hard but the more people switch over from towm to CITY the better. Heck I catch myself doing it also.
Even 85239.com sometimes slips in it's reporting as do the council. We all have to put in a effort to refer to this place as a City!
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Lano
Posts:266
| | 10/24/2007 2:33 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Fritzydoodle on 10/24/2007 1:22 PM
That's just it - you want it - it's your's forever.
And at a quarter mil per traffic signal, a million per mile for highway grade construction, constant state of construction around development... I think cost is the main factor why it remains the states responsibility.
Casa Grande has the same situation. Florence Blvd and Pinal Avenue, the two main arterials in CG are actually controlled by ADOT as state highways. Pain in the tush on occasion - but the costs are not a burden on the city.</div>
Peanuts for the return they'd get.....imagine trying to sell your home with trash and weeds out front. First impressions are huge. We need someone to take pride in our appearance. | | | |
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