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Fritzydoodle
Posts:980
 | | 08/15/2007 3:10 PM |
 Alert | From the City of Maricopa:
A just-completed draft of the Airport Market Analysis by Coffman & Associates has concluded that an airport in Maricopa is indeed feasible of further consideration.
The City of Maricopa, in cooperation with the Arizona Department of Transportation, recently commissioned an Airport Feasibility Study to provide a preliminary market analysis of the potential for a general aviation airport to be located within the City of Maricopa. City of Maricopa Aviation Consultant, and Founder of America West Airlines, Edward Beauvais explains, "This study is intended as a tool to assist the City of Maricopa in determining whether to proceed into the next phase with an Airport Site Selection Study. If the City Council decides to proceed, and a site is selected, then an Airport Master Plan and Environmental Assessment will be undertaken."
As the demand for air travel and air cargo continues to grow, the air transportation system will find it increasingly difficult to accommodate the resulting levels of aircraft movements without significantly expanding the airport infrastructure. Yet many of the larger airports are severely constrained in their ability to expand their airside and landside facilities. Regional aviation therefore has become a significant growth factor in the national aviation and economic development arenas. The Airport Market Analysis notes that, “adequate general aviation facilities, properly promoted and funded, are necessary to ensure that a community fully participates in today’s economy.” The study has estimated that an airport serving the City of Maricopa could be expected to yield an annual economic impact in excess of $20 million and up to $50 million at maturity.
For study purposes, the market analysis describes a prototype airport for the City of Maricopa which would be designed to accommodate aircraft from gliders to large business jets. The total area of this prototype airport would be approximately 650 acres, not including the area around the airport needed for commercial development related to the airport site itself. Funding for an airport in the City of Maricopa would be largely provided by the Federal and State Governments.
Visit cityofmaricopa.net to download a copy of the report.
Are you surprised the study by Ed Beavais - the founder of America West Airlines, shows Maricopa needs an airport? It COULD yield up to $50 million dollars in annual impact at maturity! And just how long will it take to reach maturity?
Maricopa had the opportunity with Phoenix Regional Airport but let it slip away. Ak Chin now owns the 640 acre facility that already has both a grass and paved runway in place.
With all the things the City of Maricopa needs in it's infancy - an airport should be low down on the list. I'd suggest start with a City Hall, build the Parks/Rec department, develop the infrastructure - then think about other items such as an airport. Jeesh. | |
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| | Sinbad
Posts:3046
| | 08/15/2007 3:17 PM |
Alert | hummm.... Do I buy it or not.
Is this just another business that is trying to slip in under the radar? American West study? Don't they have an vested interest in being the one that moves into this airport?
I think we need to consentrate on the Grouds problems first before we look to the skies. | |
Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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| | Fritzydoodle
Posts:980
| | 08/15/2007 3:22 PM |
Alert | Ed Beauvais is no longer with America West. Not to mention AW doesn't exist anymore - it's US Airways.
Ed Beavais and his company were hired by the City of Maricopa as a consultant (to the tune of about 1.5 MILLION dollars over the past couple years) to develop a municipal airport. So far, you have a study that says you need an airport. | |
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| | Eric the Red
Posts:435
| | 08/15/2007 5:33 PM |
Alert | | Gee, imagine that. An airport consultant saying we need an airport... | |
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| | nhms
Posts:91
| | 08/15/2007 7:39 PM |
Alert | | Which council member's property will be used for this airport? | |
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| | DingDong
Posts:259
| | 08/15/2007 7:53 PM |
Alert | Amazing... We can't decide on a city hall site. We could use a full service medical center / hospital and someone is saying we need an airport.
Althought it could have a potential of bringing businesses to the area. ie: small avaition companies, repair facilities and even some testing facilities. But the developers need to think in a grand mode. Do not limit the runways to only handle corporate aircraft. They need to think bigger and develope access for mid size commercial type at a minimum.
I seriously doubt that anyone will provide service or use the airport for lets say a small hop from Tucson or Sky Harbor involving passengers. But if you make the airport facilities big enough, you can create small facilities for Fed X, Ups or even the USPS to utilize the airport. It does have potencial, but timing might not be right for the moment. | |
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|  | GilaGuy
Posts:789
| | 08/15/2007 8:11 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By nhms on 08/15/2007 7:39 PM
Which council member's property will be used for this airport?</div>
I will admit I was thinking the same thing.
Of course, I have no idea where they'll fit an airfield of any decent size. You'd need a runway more than a mile in length, with no obstructions near it, pointed in the direction of the prevailing wind, and with no mountains in the immediate vicinity of the flightpath.
Unless they're planning on annexing Stanfield and building the airport just north of there, I'm not sure where this airport will fit. | | | |
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| | Fritzydoodle
Posts:980
| | 08/15/2007 8:22 PM |
Alert | | Rumor has it the state trust land north of 238 - the site of the current Estrella Sailport (Arizona Soaring). Stanfield can't be annexed - it's an incorporated city. 640 acres with the runway set on the diagonal across the parcel only yields a runway approx 4500 feet in length. No where near long enough for any aircraft of any size. Yes, if you are talking larger jets 8,000 is a minimum - 10,000 would be better. You're talking a parcel 2 miles by one mile plus glidepath and area of influence. | |
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| | GilaGuy
Posts:789
| | 08/15/2007 9:13 PM |
Alert | I was only half-joking about Stanfield being annexed. <img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/smile.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Smile' align='absmiddle'>
I see too many problems with the Estrella Sailport being developed, not the least of which is the paucity of available runway space. They could easily take the three available runways down to one wide runway and lengthen it 4000 feet to the southwest, but this would infringe upon the pack of houses that are around San Rafael and 238. On top of that, it would mean a rather steep approach into the field with hills on the southwest end, and a narrow path for missed approaches with the 2000 foot hills 2 miles to the northwest and 1700 foot hills 2 miles to the southwest.
Anything is possible. I just don't quite see how this could work. | | | |
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| | Colgate
Posts:629
| | 08/15/2007 10:16 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Fritzydoodle on 08/15/2007 3:10 PM
From the City of Maricopa:
A just-completed draft of the Airport Market Analysis by Coffman & Associates has concluded that an airport in Maricopa is indeed feasible of further consideration.
The City of Maricopa, in cooperation with the Arizona Department of Transportation, recently commissioned an Airport Feasibility Study to provide a preliminary market analysis of the potential for a general aviation airport to be located within the City of Maricopa. City of Maricopa Aviation Consultant, and Founder of America West Airlines, Edward Beauvais explains, "This study is intended as a tool to assist the City of Maricopa in determining whether to proceed into the next phase with an Airport Site Selection Study. If the City Council decides to proceed, and a site is selected, then an Airport Master Plan and Environmental Assessment will be undertaken."
As the demand for air travel and air cargo continues to grow, the air transportation system will find it increasingly difficult to accommodate the resulting levels of aircraft movements without significantly expanding the airport infrastructure. Yet many of the larger airports are severely constrained in their ability to expand their airside and landside facilities. Regional aviation therefore has become a significant growth factor in the national aviation and economic development arenas. The Airport Market Analysis notes that, “adequate general aviation facilities, properly promoted and funded, are necessary to ensure that a community fully participates in today’s economy.” The study has estimated that an airport serving the City of Maricopa could be expected to yield an annual economic impact in excess of $20 million and up to $50 million at maturity.
For study purposes, the market analysis describes a prototype airport for the City of Maricopa which would be designed to accommodate aircraft from gliders to large business jets. The total area of this prototype airport would be approximately 650 acres, not including the area around the airport needed for commercial development related to the airport site itself. Funding for an airport in the City of Maricopa would be largely provided by the Federal and State Governments.
Visit cityofmaricopa.net to download a copy of the report.
Are you surprised the study by Ed Beavais - the founder of America West Airlines, shows Maricopa needs an airport? It COULD yield up to $50 million dollars in annual impact at maturity! And just how long will it take to reach maturity?
Maricopa had the opportunity with Phoenix Regional Airport but let it slip away. Ak Chin now owns the 640 acre facility that already has both a grass and paved runway in place.
With all the things the City of Maricopa needs in it's infancy - an airport should be low down on the list. I'd suggest start with a City Hall, build the Parks/Rec department, develop the infrastructure - then think about other items such as an airport. Jeesh.</div>
Dang Fritzy that would mean the Copa would make the weather map on the local news if we had our own airport!!! Yeah boy! | |
Live every day as if it were your last and smile! | |
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| | sjtrim
Posts:388
| | 08/16/2007 1:02 AM |
Alert | I worked for America West years ago when Mr Ed was still there. I worked there at the time when they filed Bankruptcy and all the employees got a 10% pay cut. When I quit I was making less than when I started there. I wouldn't listen to anything that he has to say. He drove America West to Chapter 11 and the best thing they ever did was boot him out! They should have done it years before they did. He has poor management skills, IMO.
We need other things before we need an airport. This is not a good idea right now and I hope that they don't listen to the big windbag. I still can't stand him. He didn't treat his employees good at all. We all got pay cuts but he didn't get one! He was still bringing in a huge salary while us little folks who actually worked hard got peanuts. Going into business with him and listening to him would be a huge mistake for this city. Who can we talk to? Why don't they look at his track record? Good grief!
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| | CODEBLEU
Posts:202
| | 08/16/2007 8:16 AM |
Alert | | In my day all you needed was a little thrust and some deck to light your fire into the night. Ah the memories........Cigar in Mouth......Commander Codebleu | | | |
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| | Reagan
Posts:737
| | 08/16/2007 8:22 AM |
Alert | I am newer to Maricopa, so correct me if any of my facts are wrong. When you are talking about the job of Coffman & Associates and Ed Beavais, they have already been hired and completed their job. I don't think the City has hired them to develop the airport, just consult with the City on whether or not we need an airport.
Here is my personal opinion. We all want more shopping, restaurants, activities for the kids, more lanes on 347, a city hall that is owned, not leased, etc. I can't think of a better way to get all these things than an airport.
-Whoever leases space at the airport is more than likely to need great travel routes in Phoenix Metro, just like the rest of us.
-With more job oppurtunties, many of us won't have to communte, which is always a great thing.
-With more jobs in our community, the house market just might start to turn around, as many that work there will also want to live here.
-With more jobs, and more residents, we will have the population to substain more choices in shopping, restaurants, and social activities.
-With an airport and more business, we have a better shot of keeping our property taxes low as the city will have income from more business, instead of a sea of homes.
Just my two cents. I really like the idea. Plus, it will be built with State and Federal money, not taking away from other priorities like city hall, library, etc. | |
Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.
Reagan, Los Angeles Times, January 7, 1970 | |
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| | CODEBLEU
Posts:202
| | 08/16/2007 8:32 AM |
Alert | Be Careful what you ask for Reagan, our city leaders have a way of burning through cash without any measurable results. What most here are questioning is the fact that they gave $1.5 million to Beauvis to tell them they needed an airport.
Heck, they could have tasked you with this project for free and had very similar results .
Now where did I put that Cognac last night........Commander Codebleu | | | |
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| | Reagan
Posts:737
| | 08/16/2007 9:57 AM |
Alert | I agree, maybe his services were over priced, and still showed a result just about anyone else might have come up with. But that is in the past, now its time to move forward.
As far as our city government burning through cash like there is no tomorrow-I believe the citizens of Maricopa are much more involved and worried about what is going on in this city now more than ever. Even though I believe this forum allows a lot of rumors to be thrown out there, and a lot of people take it as fact, it does serve as a good medium. The moment something fishy happens, it will be posted here, debated, & discussed, and if something is truly wrong, Maricopa residents will know about it, and take actions as necessary.
Although I believe there is a strong chance the land might come from someone involved in our government, at least it will be purchased for the airport, not leased and improved at the cost of our city, and gain of the landlord. At least that is my understanding. | |
Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.
Reagan, Los Angeles Times, January 7, 1970 | |
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| | Fritzydoodle
Posts:980
| | 08/16/2007 10:19 AM |
Alert | Check out the viability and financial impact of the other area airports - airports that have been in existance for decades.
Coolidge - http://www.coolidgeaz.com/index.asp?NID=22
Casa Grande - http://www.ci.casa-grande.az.us/airport/airport.php
Eloy - http://www.airnav.com/airport/E60
Casa Grande has the most industrial development around the airport. And that has occurred within the last 5-7 years.
Phoenix Regional Airport is already located within the city limits/area of annexation for Maricopa. At one time - it was thought to be Maricopa's airport. The next announcement - Ak Chin purchased it as an investment. What happened? Not a word was ever said.
My point - Maricopa needs a lot of things. The theory that the airport will be self sustaining and make money for the city is well and good for the far future - decades after the initial development. And while there would be some funding from State and Federal (if the FAA feels there is a need to develop an airport in the area) will pay for part of it - the city would need to fund the rest. If an industrial company is looking for space near an airport - which airport will they go with - one already up and running or one in the planning stages???
The city needs should be prioritized. Spending the limited funds available to investigate the need for a second airport within the city limits doesn't seem to be a top priority for the majority of the residents. | |
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| | Sinbad
Posts:3046
| | 08/16/2007 11:34 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By DingDong on 08/15/2007 7:53 PM
Amazing... We can't decide on a city hall site. We could use a full service medical center / hospital and someone is saying we need an airport.
Althought it could have a potential of bringing businesses to the area. ie: small avaition companies, repair facilities and even some testing facilities. But the developers need to think in a grand mode. Do not limit the runways to only handle corporate aircraft. They need to think bigger and develope access for mid size commercial type at a minimum.
I seriously doubt that anyone will provide service or use the airport for lets say a small hop from Tucson or Sky Harbor involving passengers. But if you make the airport facilities big enough, you can create small facilities for Fed X, Ups or even the USPS to utilize the airport. It does have potencial, but timing might not be right for the moment.</div>
Very well said Ding Dong..
I aggree with you. Let's get a second major entrance and exit inand out of the city first, fix the road problems, build a city hall and get new officials in place before we think about an airport. If 50 of us can't take a plane to Vegas or San Diego ...etc... then the airport isn't going to be big enough.
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Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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| | Sinbad
Posts:3046
| | 08/16/2007 11:34 AM |
Alert | | I really don't want planes flying over my house either...the Train noise is bad enough. | |
Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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| | My3AAAs!
Posts:113
| | 08/16/2007 1:20 PM |
Alert | | The last thing I want is the noise from the airport. I will feel bad for those that have houses in the flight path. That decreases their property value. I would rather have a hospital and some other services than a freaken airport. They would create jobs without the noise issues an airport would bring. | | | |
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| | Monkey!
Posts:285
| | 08/16/2007 2:59 PM |
Alert | | Booooo on an airport! Nufsaid. | | | |
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