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class of 91
Posts:14
 | | 07/20/2007 10:11 AM |
 Alert | | i would like to give the police officer who drove by me and my family on 7/16/07 between 7-7:21am on maricopa/cg/hwy in front of the so-call "mall" and the officer who came to my home the same day around 7:55am the middle finger salute!!!! my dog was hit that day and he was basically in 2 pieces, i had my son, a shovel and a wheelbarrel and we were trying to cross the street, but as usually, even with homes and business on that road, the traffice continues to fly by with no care in the world, anyhow i saw a cop coming, tryed to flag him down but he just waved and kept on going. the second officer came to my home because they recieved a call from a driver who called in a stated there was some homeless people on the road waving a shovel and yelling! homeless i don't think so, i was wearing scrubs, i work at a hospital and yeah i had a shovel, i was shoveling my dead dog off the pavement and yelling at cars as they flew by. the office actually wanted to see my dead dog. i complained, but i guess nothing will be done, they just figure that the officer was doing his job! yeah right!!! | | | |
| | alanf
Posts:1432
| | 07/20/2007 10:25 AM |
Alert | | So sorry to hear about your dog. I'm also sorry that I was laughing while reading it the 2nd time. Homeless person with a shovel in the road yelling at drivers....that's a freaking classic. Again, sorry about your loss. | | | |
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| | Sinbad
Posts:3022
| | 07/20/2007 10:29 AM |
Alert | that's a tough spot to be in . I am so sorry it went down like that..
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Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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| | cptpizza
Posts:61
| | 07/20/2007 6:57 PM |
Alert | As a pet owner, I offer my condolences for your loss.
Let me also say that I agree with you that people in this town need to SLOW DOWN.
Now for the part that is bound to make me look like an insensitive jerk:
Let me preface this by saying I am not a member of or affiliated in anyway with the Maricopa Police Department.
1. It is the responsibility of the pet owner to keep their dogs within control. Dogs should not be roaming free. That said, I know sometimes pets can be unpredictable and get loose, and it is always a sad time. Many, including myself, consider my pet to be a member of the family.
2. Speed isn't necessarily responsible for the death of a loose pet. I have had many animals run out in front of my car at various speeds. The fact is, a pet (or person for that matter) caught underneath a vehicle that weighs 10 times or more what he/she does may not stand a chance at any speed. Again, while I agree that people need to watch their speed, I don't think this is a good argument to make on speed and speed alone, as there is no way to tell for sure that this was a contributing factor.
3. The first police officer could have been heading to another call. To pass judgement is not necessarily. They do get dispatched and have obligations. Now, if he in fact did tell the second officer that "some homeless people on the road waving a shovel and yelling", then that officer was out of line, regardless of where he was headed or what he was supposed to be doing. Police should stay objective, until they have the facts, assumptions should not be made. That makes for bad police work.
On a side note, I had an outside pet that a neighbor hopped the fence to my back yard and poisoned when I was a child in Phoenix. We found traces of Anti-Freeze in his bowl. The police wouldn't help us, because there were no witnesses, although we were positive who did it. No police department is perfect. This one is new. It will take some time to work out the kinks, as well as determine who the good and bad officers are.
Again, I am sympathetic for your loss. I hope it gets better. | | | |
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| | imwithstupid
Posts:21
| | 07/20/2007 8:34 PM |
Alert | its kind of sad that we have to find out who the good and the 'bad' officers are. shouldnt they all be good?
maybe its not so wise to allow children to be officers at all. dont you have to be a certain age to be president?
wonder why that is?..............
could it be.............wisdom?
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| | imwithstupid
Posts:21
| | 07/20/2007 8:36 PM |
Alert | | and, i am sorry about the loss of your pooch. they are family members. | | | |
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|  | cptpizza
Posts:61
| | 07/20/2007 9:09 PM |
Alert | Yes, it is sad....
There was a recent article on the New Times website regarding an incident that displays how sad it can be. Two officers tased a 24 year old man for 84 seconds (according to the report) and killed him. Later it was determined that the police officers involved were dating and it may have been to settle a grudge that the male officer had because the suspect previously pushed the female officer in another encounter to get away. We will never know what really happened, but recently the Phoenix police department settled with the man's family for 2 million dollars. To settle for this amount, they must admit some irresponsibility in the incident.
Now, I knew the victim. Not well, but I knew him. He was by far no saint, and deserved to go to jail for what he did. I do not condone nor participate in criminal acts, and I am the first one to say that when someone does the crime, they should face the consequences.
While I am not necessarily agreeing with what the article said entirely, I believe its a bit suspicious.
My point? Well, police officers are human. Its sad that teachers molest kids, but it happens occasionally. There are good and bad in every profession. I don't believe for a second that any law enforcement agency would tolerate the "Bad" for a second.
I know they have a tough job. Basically, they walk around all day (or night) with a bullseye on their chest. People spit on them, call them "Pigs", yet the vast majority got into the profession because they wanted to help people.
Ultimately, I guess I was just trying to say that we shouldn't judge the quality of the police department by a couple of officers behavior.
In fact, It was a Pinal County Sheriff officer that pulled me over once because my temporary license plate became unglued from the window. He was very polite.
Anyway, there's another long winded post from me.....
if you want to read up on the story I referenced, I assure you I am not making it up, here is the link.
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2007-06-28/news/death-by-electrocutioner/
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| | imwithstupid
Posts:21
| | 07/20/2007 10:13 PM |
Alert | dont get me wrong. i like cops. good cops. and i have met alot of them. i like it when they live on my street. but i have met way more 'bad' cops. ive seen them take drugs off people, for their own use, and let these people walk.
and i have seen them bust people for things that they themselves regularily do.
i just think that a 20 yr old is not wise enough to have that much power bestowed upon them. they dont have enough life experiences/comman sense to use it correctly.
on the other side, i have met 50 yr old officers that dont have that wisdom either.
its just not right to have to wonder about the people that are defending your rights/property/lives etc.
there should be some sort of.......something , to determine who is appropriate for that position. if there was, we wouldn't have 'bad' cops.
unless the people deciding what that system is, are bad cops.
truth is, they are human, and that means that incompetency will rule.
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| | maricopacabana
Posts:334
| | 07/21/2007 12:00 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By imwithstupid on 07/20/2007 10:13 PM
i just think that a 20 yr old is not wise enough to have that much power bestowed upon them. they dont have enough life experiences/comman sense to use it correctly.
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Where is the age point coming from Our wave of officers are lateral hires, so you won't see many youngsters. | | | |
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| | GilaGuy
Posts:789
| | 07/21/2007 3:37 PM |
Alert | He might be referring to some who took the recently-held PD test?
Either way, it sounds like he had a bad experience with one officer and is blanketing the entire profession with that view. I don't agree. | | | |
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| | DesertDweller
Posts:2544
| | 07/21/2007 5:04 PM |
Alert | Cabana brings up an excellent point. It's really hard for a young person without the life skills that come from years of experience to properly wield the type of authority that a police officer has. Not impossible, but difficult. They do need supervision and guidance.
We ask a lot of police officers and we hold them to a higher standard, as we should. Unchecked police power is a form of tyranny, even if on a micro scale. Having an officer supervised and coached by an older, wiser superior officer is absolutely necessary. In addition to good judgment and a firm hand, the job requires compassion and empathy. It's hard for a person who hasn't experienced the harder side of life to be empathetic toward someone who they may contact who is in a bad situation.
In this situation, which all of us have only heard one side of, the best way to address it would have been to call Maricopa PD and ask to speak with the watch commander. He would know who was on that street and at what time, and he would be able to find out if there was a prevailing reason why the first officer couldn't stop and if the second officer's demeanor was inappropriate. | |
Stupid should hurt!
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| | SouthBronx
Posts:66
| | 07/21/2007 6:26 PM |
Alert | First, to be on the Maricopa Police department, or even the PCSO, the minimum age is 21.
Second, no one who took the recent help PD test has even gone to any academy for training yet.
There are a few bad cops out there, which we have read about, or heard on the news. That's because, as we all know, bad things make the news, and good things are boring as far as the newspapers and TV news reports are concerned.
I have met a few bad cops in my many years. But, most of the cops I have met are good cops. I find it hard to accept that someone would say that most of the cops they met are bad cops, unless that person is bad himself and hangs out with a bad crowd.
We constantly hear one side of any story on this website, and no one ever gets a chance to prove the person wrong, even if they make up the story, or exaggerate it. And, there are a lot of people who just want to believe anything, if it's about a bad cop.
I grew up in the South Bronx, where drugs were rampant, and saw a lot more happen than most people here in Maricopa could ever imagine. One thing I experienced was that the cops there, and in most places I have been, basically cared about the people they served and were family men, not kids as some posters here would make you believe. | | | |
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| | pkat
Posts:982
| | 07/21/2007 7:00 PM |
Alert | | I'm sorry for your loss, and I understand your anger. It would have been nice if anyone helped you for the few minutes it should have taken you to retrieve your pet. I hope there is a reason the cop couldn't piece together the wheelbarrow, shovel, you waving him down and the dead dog besides stupidity or calousness. Hard to believe though. | |
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| | Colgate
Posts:587
| | 07/21/2007 9:01 PM |
Alert | | Sorry about the loss of your family member, after all, pets do become part of the fam. Anyway... my other half is an officer and I know he would have atleast pulled to the side and asked if everything was okay. Like someone mentioned earlier in their reply, maybe the officer had a call he was going to. Again, so sorry to hear about your pet. | |
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| | vytor
Posts:45
| | 07/24/2007 3:04 AM |
Alert | Sorry for your loss!
As for the speeding officer. It is still against policy at least in most states Phoenix, Glendale cities included that an officer is just like everybody else, and still needs to abide by the speed limits. IF he needs to go above the speed limit etc then lights AT THE LEAST need to be used. If it is real high priority 1-2 Lights and Siren will be used.
Sorry but I was going to be an officer for a long time. And, I have a few friends in the field. | | | |
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| | maricopacabana
Posts:334
| | 07/24/2007 7:02 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By vytor on 07/24/2007 3:04 AM
Sorry for your loss!
As for the speeding officer. It is still against policy at least in most states Phoenix, Glendale cities included that an officer is just like everybody else, and still needs to abide by the speed limits. IF he needs to go above the speed limit etc then lights AT THE LEAST need to be used. If it is real high priority 1-2 Lights and Siren will be used.
Sorry but I was going to be an officer for a long time. And, I have a few friends in the field.</div>
You would know then Lights are not always used. Many times they don't use them in congested areas because of the crazy moves drivers make. Sometimes they don't want to announce their arrival. | | | |
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| | NY2Copa
Posts:103
| | 07/24/2007 7:57 AM |
Alert | | So sorry about the loss of your pet. I hope your son is ok too ... it's hard to lose a pet. As for the cops ... the other day we were swimming in the community pool in VRED and a police car came through Butterfield Pkwy speeding ... so fast that everyone at the pool stopped and looked as he sped through our development. Now, there were no sirens or lights .... just a dangerously fast police car. We all hoped no kids, parents with strollers or joggers were in this cop's way! The speed limit through VRED is 25mph. | | | |
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| | starlaisme
Posts:55
| | 08/03/2007 11:15 AM |
Alert | | I am so sorry about the loss of your family member, my pets are part of my family and when I loose one my heart is broken. I am sure your dog is in a better place now. At my house we think that dogs go to dog heven aka squirl hell LOL, anyway I am sorry to hear about your dog. | |
25MPH in VRED: not just a good idea, it's the law. | |
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