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PKMet
Posts:244
 | | 10/24/2007 2:07 PM |
 Alert | | Why don't the idiots at ADOT and/or the city government add another turn lane here then? If that isn't feasible, then the cops need to enforce this intersection. They really need to add a 2nd left hand turn lane from JWP onto Smith Enke though. The lane and light is already there. This should be something that is easy! Why is this city so slow to respond to things? | |
They are who we thought they were! | |
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| | llggs
Posts:61
| | 10/24/2007 3:21 PM |
Alert | | Uh, maybe that could be because there are not three lanes through town that make up John Wayne Parkway (the 100 ft. merge lane does not count). Those turning left from the 238 side of Smith-Enke can rightfully/legally turn into the far left lane even when cars are turning right from Smith-Enke. | |
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| | cbjlovenest
Posts:104
| | 10/24/2007 4:27 PM |
Alert | Im sorry, without doing too much research, what law, city, state, or otherwise says that you cannot make a right hand turn from that type of a lane, while a dedicated turn lane is setup, it isnt my understanding that its illegal to utilize other lanes to turn.
Dont get me wrong, I think its an @Hole thing to do for certain, just have a pet peeve when I hear something is illegal or against the law. Just today an office mate announced that it was law to have a break every two hours, its not by the way, but then they couldnt be convinced otherwise. So what are we citing as the law that this violates? Im not just talking about unsafe lane change, thats more or a discretion issue with a cop, and the situation.
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/24/2007 9:42 PM |
Alert | 28-751. Required position and method of turning
The driver of a vehicle intending to turn shall do so as follows:
1. Right turns. Both the approach for a right turn and a right turn shall be made as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway.
2. Left turns. The driver of a vehicle intending to turn left shall approach the turn in the extreme left-hand lane lawfully available to traffic moving in the direction of travel of the vehicle. If practicable the driver shall make the left turn from the left of the center of the intersection and shall make the turn to the left lane immediately available for the driver's direction of traffic.
3. The director or local authorities in their respective jurisdictions may cause markers, buttons or signs to be placed and may require and direct that a different course from that specified in this section be traveled by vehicles turning at an intersection. When markers, buttons or signs are so placed, a driver of a vehicle shall not turn a vehicle other than as directed and required by the markers, buttons or signs. | |
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| | AZ Dreaming
Posts:292
| | 10/25/2007 4:38 PM |
Alert | Jason. While I applude your gutsy move to stay in the straight lane and keep the jerk waiting who wanted to turn right from it, just remember - in this day and age road rage can be very dangerous. Pick your battles carefully.
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| | cbjlovenest
Posts:104
| | 10/25/2007 4:59 PM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 10/24/2007 9:42 PM 28-751. Required position and method of turning
The driver of a vehicle intending to turn shall do so as follows:
1. Right turns. Both the approach for a right turn and a right turn shall be made as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway.
2. Left turns. The driver of a vehicle intending to turn left shall approach the turn in the extreme left-hand lane lawfully available to traffic moving in the direction of travel of the vehicle. If practicable the driver shall make the left turn from the left of the center of the intersection and shall make the turn to the left lane immediately available for the driver's direction of traffic.
3. The director or local authorities in their respective jurisdictions may cause markers, buttons or signs to be placed and may require and direct that a different course from that specified in this section be traveled by vehicles turning at an intersection. When markers, buttons or signs are so placed, a driver of a vehicle shall not turn a vehicle other than as directed and required by the markers, buttons or signs.
I still dont see that either of these answered that with a specific answer.
1. If the right lane is full and the left lane is open to move on the roadway, its already as far over to the right as possible, any further to the right would be into the car next to you, so you are as far to the right as possible.
2. Not applicable.
3. I dont mean to be a devils advocate but again this is saying that you must follow lines or guides when they are present, and in this case there are no restrictions saying that you must go straight only, or that no right hand turn can be made there from the straight lane, so simply turning from and open lane to another open lane in this situation is not something that is going to be illegal.
Rude, YES, illegal, NO, do I want to be the one arguing with a cop over it, DEFINATELY NOT, so I dont do it, but I can understand that its reasonable to getting traffic cleared there. I would love to see two right hand turn lanes there, just like the one that takes you from the 10 onto the 347/Queen Creek road.
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|  | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/25/2007 6:07 PM |
Alert | 1. If the right lane is full and the left lane is open to move on the roadway, its already as far over to the right as possible, any further to the right would be into the car next to you, so you are as far to the right as possible.
Hahahahahaha! That has to be the most creative explanation I've seen yet! As close as practicable to the curb means that you are in the right lane waiting your turn, and does not include cars in that lane as an excuse. It does not mean that you're able to appropriate another lane because that physical lane is not as close to the right as possible. I can guarantee you that is what that means. Absent a sign authorizing another lane (that is why I added #3) you must make the turn from the right most lane and nowhere else.
but I can understand that its reasonable to getting traffic cleared there.
It doesn't! You turn right and there is a lane drop 100 feet down 347, that's the bottleneck. More turning lanes would only clog things up because there is not enough capacity on 347. | |
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| | CrownNCoke
Posts:810
| | 12/05/2007 7:46 AM |
Alert | | I am going to start taking a right from the west bound lane (lane that goes strait) because I am tired of ...edit edit edit... taking an hour to merge into traffic...People on smith-en turning right (northbound) there is an extra lane for you to pull out and merge into traffic. Why do you sit there an hold up traffic???? I agree sometimes that lane is taken up but not often and definitely not more than 10 seconds. Every morning there is someone that sits there until all of the traffic is clear you my friend are a chicken-edit and cause people to break the law and turn northbound from the wrong lane...some lady this morning sat there for like 5 minutes in light traffic all of the traffic was in the far left lane but the chick was to afraid to move forward into the merge lane...and that's what really grinds my gears aaaahhhhh | |
The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed.
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| | Horses R Cool
Posts:144
| | 12/05/2007 8:20 AM |
Alert | So, if I am understanding CC right, it is okay to turn right from a lane that goes straight. I am guessing because he doesn't want to wait his turn. But the law is written that says right turn from right turn lane (if one is provided). Then under the same thinking, it is okay to take a 12 pack of beer from a store without paying, because you don't want to wait your turn. The law says that is stealing.
Both are breaking the law. Actually, the right turn is more deadly. You could kill someone with that car! I bet CC wouldn't consider leaving a store without paying for his items. | | | |
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| | CrownNCoke
Posts:810
| | 12/05/2007 8:26 AM |
Alert | oh your reasoning has changed my mind your right whatever was I thinking hahaha I should sit behind some dumn chick that is waiting for an invite to merge hell no I will just go around thanks | |
The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed.
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| | Horses R Cool
Posts:144
| | 12/05/2007 8:31 AM |
Alert | I guess you are a wealthy person. If you get a ticket, I am sure you can pay the fine, additional insurance premiums and heaven forbid you hit someone...that could be very costly.
All bacause you lack patience or don't have the insight to leave early for where every you are going that is so important you can't follow the law.
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| | caveman
Posts:1088
| | 12/05/2007 8:33 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Horses R Cool on 12/05/2007 8:20 AM
So, if I am understanding CC right, it is okay to turn right from a lane that goes straight. I am guessing because he doesn't want to wait his turn. But the law is written that says right turn from right turn lane (if one is provided). Then under the same thinking, it is okay to take a 12 pack of beer from a store without paying, because you don't want to wait your turn. The law says that is stealing.
Both are breaking the law. Actually, the right turn is more deadly. You could kill someone with that car! I bet CC wouldn't consider leaving a store without paying for his items.</div>
I really don't think that is what he is saying. Instead he is saying that the city needs to get real and let you turn right from the straight lane so that there are two lanes you can make a right in. Unfortunately this town has a lack of leadership and is not interested in setting up real infrastructure. As far as comparing an illegal right turn to shoplifting these are two separate things not even related. Why is his turn any more dangerous than shoplifting? You could have an angry clerk pull out a gun and shoot you for shoplifting which is just as dangerous. | | | |
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| | lazydoubleA
Posts:102
| | 12/06/2007 5:13 AM |
Alert | | You could just go straight and cut through the shopping center...uh, wait, just dont get caught, that's another ticket! | | | |
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| | CrownNCoke
Posts:810
| | 12/06/2007 7:48 AM |
Alert | Caveman makes a good point...this wouldn't be a problem if the powers to be would put in two turning lanes at that intersection. Why not fix this problem now before our population grows another 10,000 people (same goes with the I-10 intersection)? I myself am not going to be a sheep and wait for the "man" to wake up and fix the problem taking a right from the middle lane seems safe enough for me.
ps...if people could figure out how to merge into traffic it wouldn't be so bad...but still bad enough to add an extra turning lane!!!!! | |
The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed.
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| | uprvr
Posts:61
| | 12/06/2007 8:31 AM |
Alert | | Wow it sounds like Maricopa is full of traffic engineers.Impressive! | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 12/06/2007 9:56 AM |
Alert | Posted By lazydoubleA on 12/06/2007 5:13 AM
You could just go straight and cut through the shopping center...uh, wait, just dont get caught, that's another ticket!
And the sad thing is, there is nothing wrong with that. You shouldn't have to worry that you're going to get a ticket. | |
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| | caveman
Posts:1088
| | 12/06/2007 1:57 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By uprvr on 12/06/2007 8:31 AM
Wow it sounds like Maricopa is full of traffic engineers.Impressive!</div>
Wow it sounds like Maricopa is full of comedians too. Impressive! | | | |
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