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Jason
Posts:3378
 | | 08/13/2007 8:50 PM |
 Alert | Maricopa does not have zero enforcement. They may say it, but most of the time I've gone past a cop in a block of traffic going 5-10 over, no one gets pulled over. I also know plenty of highways here where people try to merge right into me. Even though people pull out, there is still a wide shoulder you could pull onto. You try that on I-17 where there is no shoulder and the HOV lane moves up to 70 MPH faster than the stopped traffic next to it. Sometimes people don't know how good they have it...
There are certain points about 347 that are dangerous and should be fixed, but overall, I don't think it is a "dangerous highway". | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 08/13/2007 8:52 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Colgate on 08/13/2007 8:09 PM
Okay Okay! I was just discussing this topic with my other half and he just announced to me that they quit doing the hidden cameras in the vehicles due to it being unconstitutional. Oh, my again lets protect the rights of the violators!</div>
Why do you presume guilt? That's the problem with cameras. They cause loss of rights for <i>innocent</i> people. Don't believe me? Just do some Googling. | |
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| | caveman
Posts:1276
| | 08/13/2007 8:54 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jazz on 08/13/2007 8:22 PM
How many highways do you know of that have zero enforcement for about a 6 mile stretch? </div>
Just about every highway that goes through Phoenix. Nobody is out catching speeders.
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| | DesertDweller
Posts:2569
| | 08/13/2007 9:52 PM |
Alert | If you give a monkey a loaded gun, it doesn't matter what kind of gun you give him. He's dangerous.
This morning I drove up I-10 from Val Vista instead of taking 347. The same kind of crap, i.e., tailgating, cutting in too close, changing lanes too frequently are as prevalent there as they are on 347. Enforcement works when you catch people - and you can only catch so many no matter how many police are on the road.
People need to take personal accountability for themselves when they are on the road. And for those without that level of intelligence or maturity, there should be mandatory driver classes (ones that actually teach something), driving instruction requirement for slow learners, and a drivers license based upon skill and knowledge of rules of the road.
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 08/13/2007 9:57 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>This morning I drove up I-10 from Val Vista instead of taking 347. The same kind of crap, i.e., tailgating, cutting in too close, changing lanes too frequently are as prevalent there as they are on 347. Enforcement works when you catch people - and you can only catch so many no matter how many police are on the road.</div>
And that's the ironic thing! People keep calling for cameras, but they don't realize that the cameras are taking the place of officers. I would feel much safer knowing that the highway is patrolled by roving officers than one device designed to make a company rich. Everyone has become <i>so</i> hung up on the "speed kills" false argument that are willing to forgo all of the other enforcement police officers bring.
I say increase the safety of our highways by <i>not</i> installing cameras!
Speed cameras will:
- Mail a ticket (within 30 days)
Speed cameras will not:
- Catch drunk drivers
- Catch aggressive drivers
- Catch tailgaters
- Catch reckless drivers
- Catch drivers without tail lamps
- Catch drivers clogging traffic
- Catch people passing on the shoulder
- Catch sleepy drivers
- Catch wrong way drivers | |
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| | mallardisme
Posts:636
| | 08/14/2007 12:36 AM |
Alert | I agree with Jason.
Cameras will not be the answer. So many things are missed.
People will learn to slow down where the cameras are and the real offenders are not caught.
Highway Patrol officers go with the flow of traffic. The come up on a group of cars and blend in. If everything is good, they move to the next group. They look for people that are driving 'different' than the flow of traffic. This includes speeders, people that are weaving and people that are changing lanes often. They also look for people that have a dome light on, don't have headlights on, or slow down often for no reason.
Cameras don't capture the full picture.
I personally hate cameras because you are found guilty unless you prove otherwise. (Of speeding, only)
In a case like the 347, I would like to make the road safer, in general. It is a dangerous road. Things have been done to help, such as more traffic lights.
A strong median would have prevented the northbound driver from becoming a victim, regardless of the southbound driver's fishtail.
I don't like the concept of Big Brother, I would rather see the problem resolved from the start.
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|  | Colgate
Posts:642
| | 08/14/2007 10:08 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 08/13/2007 8:52 PM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Colgate on 08/13/2007 8:09 PM
Okay Okay! I was just discussing this topic with my other half and he just announced to me that they quit doing the hidden cameras in the vehicles due to it being unconstitutional. Oh, my again lets protect the rights of the violators!</div>
Why do you presume guilt? That's the problem with cameras. They cause loss of rights for <i>innocent</i> people. Don't believe me? Just do some Googling.</div>
Jason,
No,it is what it is. If a person is speeding and caught on both radar and camera, I'm sorry he or she is quilty! You get caught speeding by an officer using radar and he is telling you that you are x amnt over, what are you going to sit and tell him you are not quilty and will be proven innocent!? He will say uh yeah, see you in court pal. If people are doing what they are supposed to do according to the law then there is no reason for them to get caught doing anything wrong! | |
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| | Colgate
Posts:642
| | 08/14/2007 10:17 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 08/13/2007 9:57 PM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>This morning I drove up I-10 from Val Vista instead of taking 347. The same kind of crap, i.e., tailgating, cutting in too close, changing lanes too frequently are as prevalent there as they are on 347. Enforcement works when you catch people - and you can only catch so many no matter how many police are on the road.</div>
And that's the ironic thing! People keep calling for cameras, but they don't realize that the cameras are taking the place of officers. I would feel much safer knowing that the highway is patrolled by roving officers than one device designed to make a company rich. Everyone has become <i>so</i> hung up on the "speed kills" false argument that are willing to forgo all of the other enforcement police officers bring.
I say increase the safety of our highways by <i>not</i> installing cameras!
Speed cameras will:
- Mail a ticket (within 30 days)
Speed cameras will not:
- Catch drunk drivers
- Catch aggressive drivers
- Catch tailgaters
- Catch reckless drivers
- Catch drivers without tail lamps
- Catch drivers clogging traffic
- Catch people passing on the shoulder
- Catch sleepy drivers
- Catch wrong way drivers</div>
No, the camera's are not intended to catch drunks, tail lights out, sleepy drivers. They are to slow people down! Most people who are driving reckless, aggressive, tailgating, passing on the shoulder, will eventually be speeding. All of these things I just mentioned are due to the fact that a person is in a huge hurry and why who knows? What's the emergency? God forbid we get a wrong way driver down the 347! We had 3 people killed in Charlotte, NC with in months of each other on I-485 due to wrong way drivers! Most cases drunk drivers! So unbelievably sad.
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 08/14/2007 11:12 PM |
Alert | Colgate you missed the point. Not everyone who is snapped by a camera actually did something wrong. There are tickets issued routinely against innocent people. They hope they just pay up and not question the ticket.
As I said, cameras will issue a ticket, not stop anything. An officer can catch a drunk. What comfort is it to the family of someone who is dead because a drunk driver hopped the median? That the driver will get a ticket in 30 days? | |
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