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rule11
Posts:344
 | | 11/14/2007 4:07 PM |
 Alert | | ADOT don't want to widen 347 (north of the city) because they're afraid that some speed demon is going to crash and burn their vehicle in to GRIC's land, now we don't want to upset them, do we? | |
i don't like people who uses "signature" on their profile. TAKE IT OFF!!! | |
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| | GilaGuy
Posts:789
| | 11/14/2007 5:13 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Denna on 11/14/2007 2:52 PM
Boycott their casino. </div>
I've said it elsewhere and will say it again here, my guess is that the best bet to get 347 expanded would be to figure out a way to make it appeal to GRIC where they care the most...in their pocketbooks. If we could work out an agreement to help fund some of the construction with city tax dollars which could include a spur that would lead directly to their new casino (they are closing the current one and building a new one closer to I-10 in a few years), they may be more amenable to our concerns.
Admittedly, this plan is less than perfect...it would require heavy short-term cost to us and would take heavy negotiations. But if it allowed us to expand the freeway so that future growth could be handled without more months of construction like we've had this year, it may just be worth it in the long run. | | | |
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| | Lano
Posts:274
| | 11/14/2007 5:14 PM |
Alert | | Denna....you're right, this was not very well thought out. We all assumed these agencies would get together and provide better access to Phoenix when the population grew. I know I did, big mistake on my part. The cart was put way before the horse down here, and all of us commuters will pay heavily. | | | |
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| | Lano
Posts:274
| | 11/14/2007 5:16 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By GilaGuy on 11/14/2007 5:13 PM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Denna on 11/14/2007 2:52 PM
Boycott their casino. </div>
I've said it elsewhere and will say it again here, my guess is that the best bet to get 347 expanded would be to figure out a way to make it appeal to GRIC where they care the most...in their pocketbooks. If we could work out an agreement to help fund some of the construction with city tax dollars which could include a spur that would lead directly to their new casino (they are closing the current one and building a new one closer to I-10 in a few years), they may be more amenable to our concerns.
Admittedly, this plan is less than perfect...it would require heavy short-term cost to us and would take heavy negotiations. But if it allowed us to expand the freeway so that future growth could be handled without more months of construction like we've had this year, it may just be worth it in the long run.</div>
I'm with you all the way on this, but why are'nt our leaders making this a priority? Rather than throwing their arms in the air.
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| | GilaGuy
Posts:789
| | 11/14/2007 5:34 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Lano on 11/14/2007 5:16 PM
I'm with you all the way on this, but why are'nt our leaders making this a priority? Rather than throwing their arms in the air.
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Because they are not "leaders" in the conventional sense of the word. I don't believe this plan would be an easy one to undertake, since Gila River clearly has the upper hand in terms of the land being part of their sovereign nation. But I think this could be the last, best shot at getting this done.
Negotiating is a two-way street. Nobody sits down, says "this is what would be best for us, so this is how it's gonna be" and gets very far. If we could devise a way to make this something that would benefit them as much as it would benefit us, we'd at least have a fighting chance.
Why our elected leadership doesn't see this is well beyond me. | | | |
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| | uprvr
Posts:61
| | 11/14/2007 5:38 PM |
Alert | | GG that plan would be a state plan not a city plan. If I recall the State of Arizona promised freeway exits for future econimic development down the 10 freeway through GRIC when they approved the Tucson to Phoenix route and never delivered. All they got was a road bisecting their reservation. Why would they trust us now? | | | |
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|  | GilaGuy
Posts:789
| | 11/14/2007 5:53 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By uprvr on 11/14/2007 5:38 PM
GG that plan would be a state plan not a city plan. If I recall the State of Arizona promised freeway exits for future econimic development down the 10 freeway through GRIC when they approved the Tucson to Phoenix route and never delivered. All they got was a road bisecting thier reservation. Why would they trust us now?</div>
You're absolutely right about it being a state plan. My plan would be to have our city leadership put enough pressure at the state level to be able to join in the negotiations. This would include having access to our tax money in order to assist the state with the construction.
You're also right about the State failing to deliver on promised improvements to the I-10 corridor between Chandler and Casa Grande. Their "failure" to deliver was really more like a very long delay, as they have now mended fences and are going to be expanding the freeway over the next few years, complete with the long-promised but never-delivered offramp modifications.
I think Gila River has more to gain than they think they do with the expansion of 347 and I-10. The more traffic they can get through their territory, the more commercial sites they can plant on either side, and the more money they will bring in. It's all in how they want to look at it, I guess. | | | |
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| | caveman
Posts:1020
| | 11/14/2007 5:57 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Denna on 11/14/2007 1:59 PM
I don't think that we should excuse the local government by saying "we knew what we would be getting into". It wasn't this bad 3 years ago when I moved here. In fact, I only encountered one terrible traffic jam during that time. However, during that 3 years of growth, the local government has done absolutely nothing to assist traffic problems. </div>
This is a very good question that has not been addressed. | | | |
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| | caveman
Posts:1020
| | 11/14/2007 5:59 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By GilaGuy on 11/14/2007 5:13 PM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Denna on 11/14/2007 2:52 PM
Boycott their casino. </div>
I've said it elsewhere and will say it again here, my guess is that the best bet to get 347 expanded would be to figure out a way to make it appeal to GRIC where they care the most...in their pocketbooks. If we could work out an agreement to help fund some of the construction with city tax dollars which could include a spur that would lead directly to their new casino (they are closing the current one and building a new one closer to I-10 in a few years), they may be more amenable to our concerns.
Admittedly, this plan is less than perfect...it would require heavy short-term cost to us and would take heavy negotiations. But if it allowed us to expand the freeway so that future growth could be handled without more months of construction like we've had this year, it may just be worth it in the long run.</div>
GilaGuy you have my vote for city council.
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| | GilaGuy
Posts:789
| | 11/14/2007 6:05 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By caveman on 11/14/2007 5:59 PM
GilaGuy you have my vote for city council.
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Well, let's not get silly! ;-)
I wonder if the Council would even consider the GilaGuy Plan? Or some form of it? | | | |
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| | uprvr
Posts:61
| | 11/14/2007 9:20 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Lano on 11/14/2007 5:14 PM
Denna....you're right, this was not very well thought out. We all assumed these agencies would get together and provide better access to Phoenix when the population grew. I know I did, big mistake on my part. The cart was put way before the horse down here, and all of us commuters will pay heavily. </div>
Lano,
What city doesn't have a traffic problem? Let see 60 Freeway East Mesa not, 101 freeway Scottsdale not, 10 freeway in the west valley not, 17 freeway anywhere not. The whole valley area is bad and actually I can get to the airport/downtown area quicker than most of the places I just mentioned. I know you're gonna say at least there are alternatives, well not really since all the other alt routes are worse than the freeways mentioned. Traffic is a way of life in all of Phoenix.<img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/crazy.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Crazy' align='absmiddle'>
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| | Lano
Posts:274
| | 11/14/2007 10:27 PM |
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Lano,
What city doesn't have a traffic problem? Let see 60 Freeway East Mesa not, 101 freeway Scottsdale not, 10 freeway in the west valley not, 17 freeway anywhere not. The whole valley area is bad and actually I can get to the airport/downtown area quicker than most of the places I just mentioned. I know you're gonna say at least there are alternatives, well not really since all the other alt routes are worse than the freeways mentioned. Traffic is a way of life in all of Phoenix.<img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/crazy.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Crazy' align='absmiddle'>
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Traffic is a way of life, I agree. Accidents too. However whenever there's an accident on our little P.O.S., it completely shuts things down. There's not enough room to move things along. This is happening way to frequently, and I'm pretty sure it'll get much worse before it gets better. All the freeways you mention above, don't have intersections with cars pulling out in front of you, and they actually have enforcement. Alternatives are desperately needed if Maricopa wants to flourish. | | | |
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| | geewiz
Posts:279
| | 11/17/2007 5:41 AM |
Alert | | Maybe they can put in an inner loop and call it Denna Dr and an outter loop and call it Denna Blvd. Then put two more lanes each direction over 347 kinda like a 16 mile long bridge over the existing road and call it the Denna expressway It could be a toll road and half the money made could go to Denna. Maybe this would stop her crying. Probable not she would just look for some other reason the cry instead of planning her day accordingly. Leave earlier until the construction is complete. | | | |
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