vinny
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<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By vinny on 09/18/2007 2:01 PM
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That I can understand, the fact of the matter is that this defect is not a pothole. It is poor workmanship and failure to repair it by Meadow Valley Corp.
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but are you qualified to make the decision that it is indeed a workmanship problem? isn't it possible that the material that was ground away in that spot could have caused the new pavement to fail prematurely? perhaps that material needed to be removed. I'm not a civil engineer so i can not make that determination, are you?
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If they needed to grind it that far down, they should have ground the surrounding area so that it wasn't so uneven. Alternately, they could have applied a temporary fix to prevent it from being hazardous to drivers.</div>
perhaps they didn't take down the base material any further than needed to prevent the chance of the required patch failing in a year or two. maybe a temporary fix would possibly delay the construction even further.
again, I'm not a civil engineer so i can not make that determination, are you? i'm just trying to see the story from all points of view.
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Jason
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| | 09/18/2007 2:33 PM |
Alert | | It is poor engineering. Roads absolutely should not cause damage to tires and especially not wheels. They absolutely could have milled the edges of the gouge to smooth it out. This whole project seems rushed and under-bid. The new rubberized sections do not feel as smooth as the properly rubberized sections of I-10, the 202, etc. and the left southbound lane isn't even level with the right southbound lane. | |
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vinny
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| | 09/18/2007 2:52 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 09/18/2007 2:33 PM
It <i>is</i> poor engineering. Roads absolutely should not cause damage to tires and especially not wheels. They absolutely could have milled the edges of the gouge to smooth it out. This whole project seems rushed and under-bid. The new rubberized sections do not feel as smooth as the properly rubberized sections of I-10, the 202, etc. and the left southbound lane isn't even level with the right southbound lane.</div>
did you expect it to be as smooth as the freeways? i didn't. when it comes down to it 347 is a road in the middle of nowhere that leads to a town in the middle of nowhere. you really can't expect the level of materials used on the phoenix freeways that get a lot more traffic than 347. i don't know numbers for sure, but i bet sections of the loops see more traffic in morning rush hour than maricopa has residents.
there are a lot of other roads around the state that need attention as well, we just take 347 a lot more personally because we have to deal with it daily. we americans are growing to be entirely too self absorbed. | |
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Sinbad
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| | 09/18/2007 3:06 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By LIVIPR05 on 09/18/2007 11:58 AM
When you buy low profile tires, you give up ride quality and that extra protection your tire provides. Get over it and good luck getting reimbursed for it.</div>
My car only uses Low Profile.. so what the heck am I suppose to do?
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Sinbad
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| | 09/18/2007 3:08 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 09/18/2007 2:33 PM
It <i>is</i> poor engineering. Roads absolutely should not cause damage to tires and especially not wheels. They absolutely could have milled the edges of the gouge to smooth it out. This whole project seems rushed and under-bid. The new rubberized sections do not feel as smooth as the properly rubberized sections of I-10, the 202, etc. and the left southbound lane isn't even level with the right southbound lane.</div>
Man.. check out the ADOT Rubberized Road Expert!!!!
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Sinbad
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| | 09/18/2007 3:13 PM |
Alert | OK.. everyone .. just re-read this post... take notes.. These could be the people flying by the person going 65 in the right lane...
Just note the people that are "Driving" in the left lane... than reflex back on the speeds you have seen people flying down the freeway in the left graded lane.
Not saying it's any of you, I am just saying that a lot of posters here use that CRAPTACULER left graded lane.
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Jason
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| | 09/18/2007 3:14 PM |
Alert | did you expect it to be as smooth as the freeways? i didn't. when it comes down to it 347 is a road in the middle of nowhere that leads to a town in the middle of nowhere. you really can't expect the level of materials used on the phoenix freeways that get a lot more traffic than 347. i don't know numbers for sure, but i bet sections of the loops see more traffic in morning rush hour than maricopa has residents.
That has nothing to do with it. Quality control is the issue here, not traffic levels. | |
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Alert | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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vinny
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| | 09/18/2007 3:18 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 09/18/2007 3:14 PM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>did you expect it to be as smooth as the freeways? i didn't. when it comes down to it 347 is a road in the middle of nowhere that leads to a town in the middle of nowhere. you really can't expect the level of materials used on the phoenix freeways that get a lot more traffic than 347. i don't know numbers for sure, but i bet sections of the loops see more traffic in morning rush hour than maricopa has residents.</div>
That has nothing to do with it. Quality control is the issue here, not traffic levels.</div>
traffic has everything to do with it. the road doesn't need the expensive, time consuming method of construction needed for freeways that see more traffic.
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Jason
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| | 09/18/2007 3:20 PM |
Alert | | It's not expensive or time consuming. The contractor under-bid the job (if you'd check, ADOT had a lot more money allocated to the project) and we're feeling the effects: Sloppy smoothing. | |
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Jason
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| | 09/18/2007 3:21 PM |
Alert | | For example: They are currently redoing SR 179 near Sedona. That is smoother and it is a non-freeway road too. | |
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vinny
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| | 09/18/2007 3:28 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 09/18/2007 3:21 PM
For example: They are currently redoing SR 179 near Sedona. That is smoother and it is a non-freeway road too.</div>
so they spent less of our tax dollars and your complaining? all because you may spill you capuchino because there was a little bump in the road? is your tooshie so fragile you can't handle a little up and down in the road?
i don't know, perhaps you can enlighten all of us of the processes used to produce a glass smooth roadway compared to what is going on with 347. then analyze how the time of construction compares.
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Jason
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| | 09/18/2007 3:31 PM |
Alert | It seems to me that you're the one complaining. I just commented that it doesn't seem to be as high quality a job as it should be and you're ranting and raving about how America is self-absorbed. Maybe you should quit whining and understand that their poor job has cost several people tires and wheels?
I do not appreciate spending less money if it means a lower quality job. Spend a bit more and do it right the first time instead of having to spend an even bigger chunk and come back and redo it later. | |
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Jason
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| | 09/18/2007 3:34 PM |
Alert | | MaricopaCabana, hahahahaha, you mean like those trucks that say, "lose rocks, driver not responsible for damage" or "cargo not secure, driver not responsible"? That is not a solid defense. They milled it wrong, they should pay. | |
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Jason
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| | 09/18/2007 3:37 PM |
Alert | Isn't it a 45 speed limit through the construction...
No, it is 65. | |
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vinny
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| | 09/18/2007 4:49 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 09/18/2007 3:31 PM
It seems to me that you're the one complaining. I just commented that it doesn't seem to be as high quality a job as it should be and you're ranting and raving about how America is self-absorbed. Maybe you should quit whining and understand that their poor job has cost several people tires and wheels?
I do not appreciate spending less money if it means a lower quality job. Spend a bit more and do it right the first time instead of having to spend an even bigger chunk and come back and redo it later.</div>
the project was billed as a resurfacing project, not a reconstruction project. that means the road surface will only be as smooth as the foundation of the road. its the same as painting versus a complete remodel. they grind off the lose broken wearing surface, and replace it. the road not being a sheet of glass is far from a quality issue.
making a completely smooth highway was not in the scope of this project, therefore the road will only be as level as when it was first built.
"This whole project seems rushed and under-bid."
"The new rubberized sections do not feel as smooth as the properly rubberized sections of I-10, the 202, etc."
"the left southbound lane isn't even level with the right southbound lane."
and i'm the one whining.... <img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/w00t.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='w00t' align='absmiddle'>
we are still waiting for our rubberized asphalt engineer/installer to tell us where the resurfacing went wrong. should they have torn the entire route to dirt creating a year long process so you don't have to worry about those bothersome little dips?
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Jason
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| | 09/18/2007 4:51 PM |
Alert | You'd have less trouble understanding what I'm saying if you'd quit inserting things I didn't say.  | |
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vinny
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| | 09/18/2007 4:57 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 09/18/2007 4:51 PM
You'd have less trouble understanding what I'm saying if you'd quit inserting things I didn't say. <img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/smile.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Smile' align='absmiddle'></div>
in other words, you ran your mouth about something and when questioned about it you say it isn't what you said....again.
good work! you should run for office!
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Jason
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| | 09/18/2007 4:58 PM |
Alert | For example: I didn't say anything about a glassy smooth road or a reconstruction or anything like that. All I said is that the fit and finish of the road doesn't seem as good, even as good as comparable roads. That isn't a whine or complaint, just a fact. Now, follow me on this, because this was my point: Therefore, it is not surprising that they have a chunk of road missing causing people to have bent rims and blown tires.
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vinny
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| | 09/18/2007 5:07 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 09/18/2007 4:58 PM
For example: I didn't say anything about a glassy smooth road or a reconstruction or anything like that. All I said is that the fit and finish of the road doesn't seem as good, even as good as comparable roads. That isn't a whine or complaint, just a fact. Now, follow me on this, because this was my point: <b>Therefore, it is not surprising that they have a chunk of road missing causing people to have bent rims and blown tires.</b>
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followed you all along. you want road smoother, road is only as good as it was, with a new top surface. the little bumps are not due to this construction companies poor workmanship. they are putting down new carpet, not replacing the slab. when you put down new carpet on your same old slab you won't be changing the slab.
as far as the bent rims, the construction company did their due diligence to notify drivers of a construction event, and at this point there is even a brandy new, smooth, pothole free lane to drive in. they even recommend a slow speed to be sure you can see any aspects of the construction coming at you, including pot holes. driving over 45 mph and in the milled lane will is all by choice. you can even find an alternate route if your worried about vehicle damage. the construction company is not at fault, they are just trying to do their job.
so, you are using 347 at your own risk. the construction company can do nothing more, and can't be expected to do anything more.
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