Jason
Posts:3378
 | | 08/15/2007 2:36 PM |
 Alert | | Oh, if I was arrested for a felony I would definitely want a lawyer. But my point was that certain sections of law are more interpretable by the average person than others. | |
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Oblivion2all
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| | 08/15/2007 5:26 PM |
Alert | <<< me being the guy in the black BMW who passed llggs.... what can i possibly say? out of my own convenience, i'm with jason on this one. i'm glad that coming on here and voicing our opinions makes us all feel better and relieved.... you know, like we matter in the big picture of thins or that our ranting will change things... but it won't. people will continue to drive the way they do because they are poeple. the truth of the matter is, we all make mistakes, while driving or other wise. with as many people as there are on the road today, and with all of the commuters, and figuring that on a good day just about all of us will make one mistake, they add up and piss us all off..... so be it.
it's one thing to Consciously do something to put others in danger, it's a totally diferent story to make a mistake and have an accident occur. ( not excusing my actions of passing on the 'merging' lane) i didnt fell as though my actions were puting myself or others in danger. though that can be debated and is perhaps a matter of opinion. was it not such a 'nice' thing to do? possibly. | | | |
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Oblivion2all
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| | 08/15/2007 5:28 PM |
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SW40VE
Posts:9
| | 08/15/2007 10:19 PM |
Alert | | Well as far as I am concern you being in a rush means nothing to me, Hate to break it to you guys but you are no buddies and no buddy cares if your in a rush, just like no one cares if I am in a rush what makes you think you are special and dont have to sit in traffic with the other hundreds of people who need to get some where also??? Idiots who do this are why people have to spend so much time on the road just trying to get back and forth. Once someone has to slow down to let your impatient selfish little souls back in to traffic it cause a chain reaction that effects the rest of us !!!!! | | | |
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bored n copa
Posts:4
| | 08/21/2007 9:47 AM |
Alert | while i dont condone people passing in the "breakdown" lane, if people were not blocking the "fast lane" nobody would need to use the right most lane to pass. stop being inconsiderate and thinking it is your responsibility to police the 347. if you really want to "do something" about peoples driving, become a cop, otherwise get out of the way. | | | |
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SW40VE
Posts:9
| | 08/22/2007 10:12 PM |
Alert | | Well guess what when people are doing 75 in a posted 65 they are allready speeding in your so called "FAST LANE" so if you expect them to get out of your way maybe you should leave your house 15 mins earlier. And if you want to drive like you know how to be a race car driver then become a RACE CAR DRIVER and race on track and not our freeways and roads !!! | | | |
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sysadmin
Posts:137
| | 08/23/2007 2:06 PM |
Alert | | The left lane is not the "FAST LANE" but some times is called the passing lane. When there are as many cars and trucks on the same road it is impossible for every one to be in the right lane so the morons can go as fast as they want to. | | | |
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alanf
Posts:1590
| | 08/23/2007 2:40 PM |
Alert | | All I know is that those cars were going by awfully fast while I was driving the speed limit in the SLOW lane yesterday coming home. Scary fast. Anybody know what the speed limit is right now from Riggs to town? | | | |
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MaricopaMouth
Posts:12
| | 08/23/2007 4:12 PM |
Alert | I wonder why they don't have "Slow traffic stay right" signs. I am one of the ones that don't understand why two cars traveling in the same direction going the same speed have to be side by side.
I have also had cops in traffic school tell me you can get a ticket going 65 in a 65 speed limit zone. I was told that the first time I took the class and confirmed it with a different cop the second time I took the class.
So the speed limit isn't 65. You go with the flow of traffic. If your flow is the same as the one next to you, you are disrupting the flow of traffic.
In addition, The people slamming on there breaks and honking, flicking people off. You should think about it first. I hope you are as tuff in your car as out of it.
I have had several people F with me and I will tell you what. I remember them, and will a lot longer than they will remember me. Enjoy your shopping trip, enjoy your dinner, enjoy living in a small enough town that you can be found on another day. WHATCH IT A$$HOLE! | |
There are two things in life I don’t discriminate against, that’s drugs and woman. I do them all. | |
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sysadmin
Posts:137
| | 08/23/2007 4:46 PM |
Alert | | The speed limit right now on 347 is 45mph. It was posted in oneof the News articles on this web site as well as signs posted along 347. The 65mph signs have been covered up. | | | |
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TortosaGuy
Posts:717
| | 08/23/2007 5:55 PM |
Alert | | maricopamouth...someone like you...who apparently cant stop getting in trouble on the roads...will inherently find yourself at the end of someones gun barrel if you continue to drive and act like you do...not to mention making threats to other motorists who take offense to your wreckless way of driving your vehicle...i for one wont be sorry if that occured...and would chalk it up as one less jackass on the road to worry about hurting others | |
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SW40VE
Posts:9
| | 08/23/2007 9:25 PM |
Alert | HAHAHA listening to a guy for advise about driving that says this
"I wonder why they don't have "Slow traffic stay right" signs. I am one of the ones that don't understand why two cars traveling in the same direction going the same speed have to be side by side.
I have also had cops in traffic school tell me you can get a ticket going 65 in a 65 speed limit zone. I was told that the first time I took the class and confirmed it with a different cop the second time I took the class" ---- courtesy of MaricopaMouth -----
Is about as bright as asking a guy who filed for bankruptcy twice for financial advise!!!!!!!!!!
man my side hurts from laughing so hard
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 08/23/2007 9:43 PM |
Alert | Is about as bright as asking a guy who filed for bankruptcy twice for financial advise!!!!!!!!!!
man my side hurts from laughing so hard
What part do you think isn't true?
28-701. Reasonable and prudent speed; prima facie evidence; exceptions
E. A person shall not drive a motor vehicle at a speed that is less than the speed that is reasonable and prudent under existing conditions.
65 is most certainly reasonable and prudent 99% of the time.
28-704. Minimum speed limits; requirement to turn off roadway
A. A person shall not drive a motor vehicle at such a slow speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law.
28-721. Driving on right side of roadway; exceptions
B. On all roadways, a person driving a vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall drive the vehicle in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
It is ILLEGAL for two cars to hold up traffic in the manner described. JUST as much as speeding. In fact even more so, because they are violating several sections of law, not just one.
Get over yourselves people. You could be impeding emergency vehicles, which are allowed to speed. | |
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TortosaGuy
Posts:717
| | 08/24/2007 12:45 PM |
Alert | | jason....over 80mph on that highway is already NOT reasonable in my opinion... in either lane... | |
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 08/24/2007 12:46 PM |
Alert | | Oooookaaaaaay... I mean, I didn't say anything about 80... | |
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TortosaGuy
Posts:717
| | 08/24/2007 12:51 PM |
Alert | | =)~~ jason | |
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LVMADONNA
Posts:399
| | 08/24/2007 2:41 PM |
Alert | | why are you yelling.... | |
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 08/24/2007 2:43 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By LVMADONNA on 08/24/2007 2:41 PM
why are you yelling....</div>
Tired of people thinking there is a justification for driving side by side with another car. | |
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SW40VE
Posts:9
| | 08/24/2007 4:20 PM |
Alert | Now for our local traffic officer JASON..
What part do you think isn't true?
28-701. Reasonable and prudent speed; prima facie evidence; exceptions
E. A person shall not drive a motor vehicle at a speed that is less than the speed that is reasonable and prudent under existing conditions.
65 is most certainly reasonable and prudent 99% of the time.
** If 2 cars are driving 65 in a posted 65 zone then they are not driving LESS then a
reasonable and prudent speed. Just as you said 65 is most certainly reasonable and prudent 99% of the time. So this law is not being broken.
28-704. Minimum speed limits; requirement to turn off roadway
A. A person shall not drive a motor vehicle at such a slow speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law.
** With this law you need to pay attention to the key phrase "normal and reasonable movement of traffic " If 85 % of traffic is driving at 65 to 70 (which is a reasonable and prudent speed) and 15% is driving 80 to 90 why would you think your 15% of traffic makes up the normal and reasonable movement of traffic? Its simple math 85% > 15%. Also pay attention to the last 4 words of the law, IN COMPLIANCE WITH LAW, if you get a ticket (which means you broke a traffic law) for speeding why would you think it is in compliance
with the law???
28-721. Driving on right side of roadway; exceptions
B. On all roadways, a person driving a vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall drive the vehicle in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
** "On all roadways, a person driving a vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall drive the vehicle in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb"
So if someone is driving the normal speed (think percentages here) it is not against the law for them to be in the left lane. The law stated if you are driving LESS then normal speed of traffic.
It also states that it is required for vehicles traveling LESS then the normal speed to be in the
right lane WHEN EXISTING CONDITONS PERMIT, Hate to break it to you but during our rush hours, when hundreds of vehicles are trying to get to the Phoenix area or back home in the evenings,conditions due not permit for 85% of the traffic to drive in the right lane to allow
15% of traffic to break the law and drive over a REASONABLE AND PRUDENT SPEED
** So Jason in fact not one law would be broken under the conditions described above.
The laws you qouted are for vehicles that are driving much slower then the normal rate of traffic like doing 40 in a 65. These vehicles are obstacles that cause unsafe driving conditons.
** Also for your comment about IMPEDING EMERGENCY VEHICLES, There is a reason they
have lights and sirens and remember when they are in use you pull off to the side of the road to
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sysadmin
Posts:137
| | 08/24/2007 4:28 PM |
Alert | | SW4OVE I could not have said it better. I like morons like Jason who justify breaking 1 law by citing other laws. In fact the speed limit on freeways and Highways is the max speed limit. The reasonable and prudent under existing conditions only come into play when you are on city streets. | | | |
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