CrownNCoke
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 Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By azsouthendzone on 08/06/2007 2:56 PM
What is slow? Is 75 slow? Is 80 slow? Is 60 slow when it is a 55 mph speed limit? Or does the proper speed change by your mood? I've been cruising 75-80 on the 347 and still get passed on the shoulder. That is rediculous. </div>
If everyone would just use the left lane to pass then this problem wouldnt be so bad!! So there is no magic number just get over after you pass...its that simple...I come across people doing 65 70 and that is to slow for me so???
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azsouthendzone
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| | 08/06/2007 3:29 PM |
Alert | | 70 is too slow? Then file a petition to change the speed limit because the sign says 66 is too fast. I drive 75, but you have no right to complain about someone driiving the speed limit. Everyone's personal choice is different. That is why it is regulated by a speed limit. If someone is going 35 I could see your complaint, but if 70 is still too slow....That is why the law is in place, for safety and to keep unreasonable peope in check. That is why the motorcyclist better have a plot and a nice floral arrangement picked out. | | | |
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Jason
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| | 08/06/2007 3:42 PM |
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Jason
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| | 08/06/2007 3:43 PM |
Alert | I don't think the law says what you think it says:
28-721. Driving on right side of roadway; exceptions
B. On all roadways, a person driving a vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall drive the vehicle in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
Notice that it doesn't say "proceeding at less than the speed limit", it says "less than the normal speed of traffic." If you have a line of cars coming up on you going 80 MPH, it doesn't matter how fast you think is fast enough, you'd better be in the right lane. | |
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Jason
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| | 08/06/2007 3:46 PM |
Alert | Something else to consider: ADOT is severely undefunded. Most of the highways that are not major arteries (I-10, I-17, etc) get a flat 65 limit. If you will simply compare 347 to I-10 between Phoenix and Tucson, you will see that they both:
A) Have two lanes in each direction.
B) Large median.
C) Good visibility.
And now 347 will have an excellent road surface. Survey says, speed limit should be higher than 65. It is reasonable to attribute the lack of a higher speed limit to ADOT's underfunded nature than that being the absolute highest safe speed. | |
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azsouthendzone
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| | 08/06/2007 3:55 PM |
Alert | Jason, i see your point if there was one car blocking "normal traffic" going at 65-75, but you and I know that isn't the case. In reality, you have one car that wants to drive 95 mph while others are going around 75, and the one going 95 is not going the "normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions." I have yet to drive the 347 when the traffic is all driving happily in unison at the exact same speed. And either way, whatever the condition, whatever the speed, driving on the shoulder still is idiotic and nothing will change that, as is tailgating.
I would love for you to use 28-721-B in court as an explanation on why you caused a fatal accident by driving on the shoulder. I'm sure the judge/ jury would have a good laugh at that arguement. Those of you that drive on the shoulder to save 30 seconds of drive time, your time will come. | | | |
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Jason
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| | 08/06/2007 3:58 PM |
Alert | | You keep missing the point: Driving on the shoulder has no excuse, but it does have a cause. I can't count the number of times I've been in traffic that wants to go a reasonable speed but there are two idiots at the front of the line speed up and down between 55 and 75 to keep traffic in. Inevitably the only way to get out from this tyranny is to wait for a hole to open between the two, drop the throttle and pass. Of course, the other driver ends up pissed that someone got through the blockade, but too bad. But would I ever pass on the shoulder? Maybe in an emergency, but not normally. Tensions on the road would be a lot cooler if people kept right except to pass. It doesn't matter if the person wants to go 70, 80, 90, 100+ MPH, if they have room, there will be no passing on the shoulder. Why do you think the Autobahn has such a good record? | |
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azsouthendzone
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| | 08/06/2007 4:00 PM |
Alert | You can't compare the 347 and I-10 between Phoenix and Tucson. How many traffic lights and intersections does that stretch of I-10 have? None. How long is that stretch compared to teh 16 mile 347 stretch? It doesn't compare, and either way, it doesn't excuse driving on the shoulder or driving in a way that puts other's lives in danger. I don't care if they make the 347 a school zone, it still doesn't give you a right to personally inflict your own dangerous driving policy on 30,000 other people.
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azsouthendzone
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| | 08/06/2007 4:02 PM |
Alert | | Your policy sounds good on paper but the reality is that the right lane would be going the limit while the left lane becomes the autobahn. If anything I think it would cause way more problems because of constant lane changing. This isn't Germany and 347 isn't the autobahn. Like the sticker on my U-Haul speedometer at the 75mph mark said when I moved out here "slow down and live' | | | |
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Jason
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| | 08/06/2007 4:04 PM |
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Jason
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| | 08/06/2007 4:05 PM |
Alert | You can't compare the 347 and I-10 between Phoenix and Tucson. How many traffic lights and intersections does that stretch of I-10 have?
So you adjust the speed limit coming up to traffic lights. Still no reason the areas between can't be 75. In every other respect, 347 is comparable to I-10. Heck, even I-17 with all of its twists and curves is 75 in places.
I don't care if they make the 347 a school zone
That would be an illegal school zone, and then the speed limit would default to 65.
it still doesn't give you a right to personally inflict your own dangerous driving policy on 30,000 other people.
75 isn't unsafe and IMO, 80 isn't either. | |
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azsouthendzone
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| | 08/06/2007 4:14 PM |
Alert | | People going 75 are rarely the ones passing on the shoulder, tailgating, and acting like the 347 was built for their own personal use. How much time does that save you, like 2 minutes? Like I said, the last time someone pulled that on me I pulled up right next to them at Smith-Enke. Safe speed changes by the conditions. everyone knows when they are driving safe and when they are driving like a moron. There isn't a grey area. | | | |
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TwoBigDawgs
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| | 08/06/2007 4:32 PM |
Alert | | InCarCam...how come you took down the video? Just went to view it and it said ' Video has been removed by user.' | | | |
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Jason
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| | 08/06/2007 4:52 PM |
Alert | if your tires call for 36 or 44 psi or what ever number is on the side thats the "COLD" pressure. that means when the "tire is cold" not when it's cold outside. hot pressure can vary from front to rear side to side when you check them after you just got home from a drive.
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celltech
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| | 08/06/2007 8:12 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By azsouthendzone on 08/06/2007 2:15 PM
motorcyclists are so, so, stupid. I hope that guy has his plot picked out.</div>
Really? Do you know that most motocycle crashes occur when people in cars don't look out for motorcyclists? Grow up.
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azsouthendzone
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| | 08/06/2007 8:17 PM |
Alert | | Sorry celltech. Let me rephrase. SOME motorcyclists are so, so, stupid. I hope that guy has his plot picked. Grow up. | | | |
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celltech
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| | 08/06/2007 8:23 PM |
Alert | | Thank you. As a motorcyclist I obey speed limits and am very cautious of my surroundings. I would never, ever pass on the shoulder or split lanes with a car. I still don't wish anyone, regardless of how they ride or drive bad luck or misfortune. | | | |
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CrownNCoke
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| | 08/06/2007 8:30 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By azsouthendzone on 08/06/2007 3:29 PM
70 is too slow? Then file a petition to change the speed limit because the sign says 66 is too fast. I drive 75, but you have no right to complain about someone driiving the speed limit. Everyone's personal choice is different. That is why it is regulated by a speed limit. If someone is going 35 I could see your complaint, but if 70 is still too slow....That is why the law is in place, for safety and to keep unreasonable peope in check. That is why the motorcyclist better have a plot and a nice floral arrangement picked out.</div>
what do you drive so i can run you off the road b i t h
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azsouthendzone
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| | 08/06/2007 8:34 PM |
Alert | | As someone who lost a dear friend this past year in a motorcycle accident, I don't wish any ill will on anyone. I just get frustrated when I see motorcyclists cruising on the dotted line in rush hour like in LA and other crazy stunts. That video makes me mad, not only because he is endangering others, but because I know that I wouldn't see him and the thought of any life lost, including his own, because of a few minutes of weaving in and out of traffic infuriates me. One of the saddest things I've ever seen was on the 101 a few months ago, when all traffic was stopped, I saw a bike, but no passenger. They are dangerous enough without the stunts. That's all I meant by that. No offense intended. | | | |
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playtowin
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| | 08/06/2007 9:55 PM |
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