CaliGurl~n~Copa
Posts:339
 | | 10/02/2007 11:15 PM |
 Alert | Well, my hubby is driving home right now and warned me that they have started the milling from the Maricopa County line to Interstate 10. Let's see how our commute is tomorrow morning. Gotta love ADOT...
Please, be careful everyone, we don't need no more fatality accidents. Slow down, and be aware of the sudden break lights ahead. Good luck! | |
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demonica
Posts:850
| | 10/02/2007 11:31 PM |
Alert | | oh, yippee! | | | |
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alanf
Posts:1582
| | 10/03/2007 7:02 AM |
Alert | I went through at about 5:45 AM and had a total of maybe 5 minutes of delay.
Looks like this last 6 miles (Maricopa County)will be a lot smoother evolution than the Pinal County side. Everything they worked last night was also paved already (no milled driving). Watch for rocks though as there is still some debris.
Use 511 on the cell and say State Route 347 for current info and work schedules.
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agit8d
Posts:209
| | 10/03/2007 8:58 AM |
Alert | | Looks like Maricopa Co. knows how to pave roads much better than Pinal Co. The road work done last night was exactly what was proposed for phase 1. No week's worth of driving on milled roads.. and day after day of road work. At this pace they should complete in a few weeks.. | |
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CrownNCoke
Posts:810
| | 10/03/2007 9:03 AM |
Alert | | Yes I didnt even notice anything...but isnt ADOT still ADOT???????? | |
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CyndiWitczak
Posts:226
| | 10/03/2007 9:35 AM |
Alert | | It's the same company that is doing the Pinal county side. They are guided by the same team at ADOT. They are repairing that portion so they can go over it with the friction course (final layer) all at once. They have to be done by late this fall because you can't lay rubberized asphalt (especially the friction course overlay) when it's too cold. If you talk to ADOT, they are actually ahead of schedule for the entire project. They have done, and continue to do, as much as they can to make this whole project impact Maricopa as little as possible. Patience is a virtue. | |
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alanf
Posts:1582
| | 10/03/2007 10:06 AM |
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alanf
Posts:1582
| | 10/03/2007 10:07 AM |
Alert | Posted By CyndiWitczak on 10/03/2007 9:35 AM
It's the same company that is doing the Pinal county side. They are guided by the same team at ADOT. They are repairing that portion so they can go over it with the friction course (final layer) all at once. They have to be done by late this fall because you can't lay rubberized asphalt (especially the friction course overlay) when it's too cold. If you talk to ADOT, they are actually ahead of schedule for the entire project. They have done, and continue to do, as much as they can to make this whole project impact Maricopa as little as possible. Patience is a virtue.
Cyndi, what we are saying is that the company doing the project is using the original promised method (of milling and immediately paving) for the Maricopa County side. With the Pinal County side they milled the whole thing all the way down before paving anything. That's why I actually thought it was a different company doing the work. | | | |
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agit8d
Posts:209
| | 10/03/2007 10:12 AM |
Alert | | maybe they have different standards in Maricopa Co... Phase 1 was a train wreck compared to the start of phase 2.. I hope they keep it going this smoothly and finish quickly... riding a motorcycle on the milled road was a death sentence... i don't want to have to do it again!! | |
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CyndiWitczak
Posts:226
| | 10/03/2007 10:18 AM |
Alert | | Alan, they milled all at once because they had the machine for a limited amount of time. These projects are funded in pieces, and they had to finish all the milling while they had the machinery. The part North of the county is a much shorter stretch to tackle. It's not any different than the few stretches that they have run into town. They milled, they filled. It's all positive progress, and when it's all done no one will care anymore (except for us because we still deal with asphalt every day!) | |
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alanf
Posts:1582
| | 10/03/2007 10:32 AM |
Alert | I don't want to take this down that road again Cyndi. However, (hehehe) they announced a method that they did not keep (period). I don't really care about costs to the company or availability of machines. They told us one thing and then did it another way. I would guess that hundreds of windshields(if not thousands) were destroyed and will be replaced because of the ineptitude of the paving company that ADOT chose (low bid I would guess...LOL). I personally have three vehicles with multiple chips and one large crack. But right now, I'm just happy to see the job being done right.
Imagine if the paving company was required to pay for all windshields damaged during their work. Do you think they would have done it differently? OUT!!! | | | |
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Keonda
Posts:16
| | 10/03/2007 10:36 AM |
Alert | | I'm just glad it's being done quickly without having to drive thru the unpaved section. I'm sure we'll find something to complain about after all paving is done. | | | |
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CyndiWitczak
Posts:226
| | 10/03/2007 10:40 AM |
Alert | | It's a hazard we all assumed by using the road. They gave alternate routes, and enough notice. I have a crack and chips too, but I chose to take the road. Life is about choices. When a job is being done, they have to, just like any other industry, deal with unforseen circumstances. Things change. They were supposed to work during the day, but changed to nights to keep traffic from becoming so bad. Yadda yadda. I don't work for ADOT, but I am sure that if you asked someone they could tell you the reasons why things were changed. We should all be grateful they didn't close one side and divert traffic so it was one lane north and south while they did it! | |
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alanf
Posts:1582
| | 10/03/2007 10:43 AM |
Alert | It's nice to see somebody that is so forgiving once in a while.
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agit8d
Posts:209
| | 10/03/2007 11:51 AM |
Alert | Cyndi... I'm glad there is at least one forgiving person in Maricopa.. I personally feel that if you are going to sell me a black car that it's black.. not red because of unforeseen circumstances... Undertaking ANY project requires logistics and resource planning (skills)... the company that undertook this project seemed to have neither when doing Phase 1.. Was it on job training?? maybe, but as a tax paying citizen having to commute on that road everyday i would rather not pay to training pavers...
My true feeling is they are poor at organizing their resources. | |
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/03/2007 1:12 PM |
Alert | | The bottom line is that the company underbid. It's evident in the surface quality of the new pavement. It's not consistent and is very noisy in some sections. | |
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CyndiWitczak
Posts:226
| | 10/03/2007 1:23 PM |
Alert | | It's not done. Even if it were perfect, someone is going to hate it. The company didn't underbid, and ADOT is very pleased with the progress thus far. | |
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/03/2007 1:28 PM |
Alert | | I was lectured in another thread about how the pavement supposedly mimics what's below it. So if this isn't smooth, how will the final coat be? | |
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CyndiWitczak
Posts:226
| | 10/03/2007 1:34 PM |
Alert | | The subgrade is fixed now. The friction course will go on and this will be a non-issue. | |
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/03/2007 2:12 PM |
Alert | | I was told in that same thread that nothing was being done to the subgrade and that the 1" mill only changed the top surface. | |
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