rattle2
Posts:132
 | | 07/13/2007 7:59 AM |
 Alert | Melvin said officers will be depending on the community – they’re the eyes and ears. “We’ll listen to the complaints we receive,” Melvin continued. “We had our first Maricopa Police Department initiated traffic detail yesterday (July 9) and we were able to slow a lot of people down all over the city. Any type of progressive driving is a safety issue. Citizens can get a license plate and description of a vehicle. If we get that, we’ll be sending a letter saying that one of our citizens saw you doing an unsafe action and you need to slow it down so everyone in Maricopa will be safe. This is a working partnership with the community.”
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CrownNCoke
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| | 07/13/2007 8:02 AM |
Alert | | HaHa that is a bunch of crap they will try then get so much bogus mail it will be like the boy who cried wolf... | |
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Nickswebcamfriend
Posts:1292
| | 07/13/2007 8:08 AM |
Alert | | Hope they have budgeted for enough paper and stamps to cover all of that! That's a LOT of letters! | |
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rattle2
Posts:132
| | 07/13/2007 8:39 AM |
Alert | | Aaaa......but if you know who "bogus" is then........and I don't believe paper is an issue. There are many people in this community that are more than willing to participate in this program. Some who would even be willing to identify themselves to the police. If they need more paper, envelopes or postage I am certain the community can come up with what is needed. It is a serious safety issue and it needs to be addressed. | |
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DesertDweller
Posts:2559
| | 07/13/2007 10:18 AM |
Alert | I think the idea is good. Of course, it's always open to abuse. Nevertheless, if it lets a parent know that their teen is driving like a bonehead, or it lets someone else know that they are being watched by the community, then it serves its purpose.
For those who want to call in on their ex-wife's boyfriend just to harass him, well, ... | |
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caveman
Posts:1078
| | 07/13/2007 4:44 PM |
Alert | | Sounds like the new Maricopa industry. The city making $$$ off of speeders. I understand in town but cmon on the 347 outside of Maricopa get out of here there is nothing on the highway but open road. | | | |
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rule11
Posts:344
| | 07/13/2007 5:24 PM |
Alert | | the city gotta role in some money and speeders will be the first easy money | |
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LampLiteSniper
Posts:463
| | 07/13/2007 5:47 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By rattle2 on 07/13/2007 7:59 AM
Melvin said officers will be depending on the community – they’re the eyes and ears. “We’ll listen to the complaints we receive,” Melvin continued. “We had our first Maricopa Police Department initiated traffic detail yesterday (July 9) and we were able to slow a lot of people down all over the city. Any type of progressive driving is a safety issue. Citizens can get a license plate and description of a vehicle. If we get that, we’ll be sending a letter saying that one of our citizens saw you doing an unsafe action and you need to slow it down so everyone in Maricopa will be safe. This is a working partnership with the community.”
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They better be doing alot more than that considering our tax dollars bought them new Chargers and sportbikes. I can see this turning into Hazzard County real quick.
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twostep23
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| | 07/13/2007 5:55 PM |
Alert | | They can't be every where all the time. I think that it's a great idea. Even if it's a "you better behave letter" people will know that they will get caught....sooner or later. | |
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rattle2
Posts:132
| | 07/14/2007 1:21 PM |
Alert | Possible letter:
"It has been observed that there have been vehicle operators that have no regard for the posted speed limit. It has been reported that you might be one of those vehicle operators. This is not an official notice of violation, rather a notice of observation. The posted speed limit is 65 MPH for the area you were driving. Your unofficial speed was 74 MPH.
Please drive responsibly and safely.”
I believe that just the thought that the driver next to you can observe your driving actions and report a safety violation will be enough for most, not all, drivers to think twice about their actions.
Of course as with everything it can be abused but, it’s a begining.
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jinmar
Posts:21
| | 07/14/2007 1:36 PM |
Alert | HAHA "Your unofficial speed was 74 MPH. "
Are citizens now carrying around their own radar guns? Are they sitting on the side of the Highway like one of those inmate pickup crews? Too funny.
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rattle2
Posts:132
| | 07/14/2007 2:21 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By jinmar on 07/14/2007 1:36 PM
HAHA "Your unofficial speed was 74 MPH. "
Are citizens now carrying around their own radar guns? Are they sitting on the side of the Highway like one of those inmate pickup crews? Too funny.
I agree that it is always about money. Safety is just an afterthought. </div>
The speed doesn't have to be included....just that the operator was exceeding the posted speed limit is enough. If an observer is doing 65 MPH and you pass them, then it is safe to say that you were driving faster than the posted limit. The police department often allows citizens the use of one of their speed detection devices to check traffic speeds in a certain area. Letters have been sent to operators that were found to be exceeding the speed limit by the citizens with the speed detector. A warning was included in that letter.
I agree it's always about money. If you were to look a the many court cases that are in progress and the ones that have been settled, you would probably find that most of them involve safety of one type or another. Safety does equal money.
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Jason
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| | 07/14/2007 8:22 PM |
Alert | | So are they issuing these citizens vehicles with calibrated speedometers? How many letters in a month or year before you are assumed guilty? | |
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rattle2
Posts:132
| | 07/15/2007 7:52 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 07/14/2007 8:22 PM
So are they issuing these citizens vehicles with calibrated speedometers? How many letters in a month or year before you are assumed guilty?</div>
Here is the article Jason:
http://85239.com/NEWS/NewsArticleDetails.aspx?mid1=430&&ArticleID=96
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AzSandSlinger
Posts:587
| | 07/15/2007 8:28 AM |
Alert | So are they issuing these citizens vehicles with calibrated speedometers? How many letters in a month or year before you are assumed guilty?
My Jason... You are becoming notorious for reading into things and fabricating subjects that don't exist...
Here, read it again.. slowly...
Melvin said officers will be depending on the community – they’re the eyes and ears. “We’ll listen to the complaints we receive,” Melvin continued. “We had our first Maricopa Police Department initiated traffic detail yesterday (July 9) and we were able to slow a lot of people down all over the city. Any type of progressive driving is a safety issue. Citizens can get a license plate and description of a vehicle. If we get that, we’ll be sending a letter saying that one of our citizens saw you doing an unsafe action and you need to slow it down so everyone in Maricopa will be safe. This is a working partnership with the community.”
See.. no tickets.. no number of letters until you get one.. no citizens with speedo's/radar guns...
...just a letter saying "Hey, someone say you doing XXXX"
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Jason
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| | 07/15/2007 12:54 PM |
Alert | SandSlinger, check your comprehension skills. I asked questions, hence I'm not reading anything in. What I'm asking is, what is the magic number before they do something more than send a letter? Do you really think they would let someone go with 100 complaints in a month? How about 50? Or do they just like sending out letters?
I just don't want to see this turn into something where false accusations can cause real damage. If they just want to send out letters, fine. | |
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AzSandSlinger
Posts:587
| | 07/15/2007 3:45 PM |
Alert | My comprehension skills?
You derive questions like:
-So are they issuing these citizens vehicles with calibrated speedometers?
-How many letters in a month or year before you are assumed guilty?
from these 2 sentences:
Citizens can get a license plate and description of a vehicle. If we get that, we’ll be sending a letter saying that one of our citizens saw you doing an unsafe action and you need to slow it down so everyone in Maricopa will be safe.
Sorry if my comprehension skills are not a acute as yours (i.e. some 6th sense).. but all I read is that if someone "reports you" (regardless if they are lying or being truthful), you will get a letter from the MPD...big deal... I'll have a circular filing cabinet for those if I get one..
and again.. I see no "calibrated speedo's", any mention of a citation being issued, no "warnings", or anyone being found guilty of anything... that was all you..
Sorry Jason, maybe it's not your comprehension that was lacking... just your lack of fully reading the content and context before posting nonsensical questions... but I think we all know better than you actually admitting you were mistaken, don't we.. 
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Jason
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| | 07/15/2007 5:18 PM |
Alert | Let me try this again: Police department issues letters for complaints against drivers. Let's say that they get a whole lot of complaints against one person. I am asking if they're just going to send a letter or do something like send out an officer? That is all. No comprehension problem on my part. Suppose you're police chief. What would you do? You have a stack of complaints on your desk about one person, what would you do? Let a potential menace just get a letter?
On a side note: For the citizens they have driving around specifically looking for people to complain about: Are they going to have vehicles with calibrated speedometers? It's a simple question, really. Why are you making it so difficult?
Oh and don't worry, I get the whole thing about complaining I don't admit when I'm wrong. It's so much easier to attack someone that admit you didn't realize they were asking a question that wasn't in the article isn't it? | |
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AzSandSlinger
Posts:587
| | 07/15/2007 6:44 PM |
Alert | .. sigh...
Let me try this again: Police department issues letters for complaints against drivers. Let's say that they get a whole lot of complaints against one person. I am asking if they're just going to send a letter or do something like send out an officer? That is all. No comprehension problem on my part. Suppose you're police chief. What would you do? You have a stack of complaints on your desk about one person, what would you do? Let a potential menace just get a letter?
Don't backpedal.. that's not what you asked..
How many letters in a month or year before you are assumed guilty?
Although I like how you tried to turn it around with your "Let a potential menace just get a letter? " remark...
I think it was pretty obvious what you were initially asking ... and I would like to think you would know the answer... I think your smart enough, I hope you think the same about yourself as well..
For the citizens they have driving around specifically looking for people to complain about: Are they going to have vehicles with calibrated speedometers? It's a simple question, really. Why are you making it so difficult?
again Jason...
It's not difficult.. Here you go... a little slower this time..
THE MPD.. DOES NOT.. HAVE CITIZENS.. "PATROLLING"..
Again, Chief Melvin stated:
Citizens can get a license plate and description of a vehicle. If we get that, we’ll be sending a letter saying that one of our citizens saw you doing an unsafe action and you need to slow it down so everyone in Maricopa will be safe.
Where is it stated that THEY are putting citizens out there specifically looking for complaints?? They don't... Oh ya.. that comprehension thing again..
Here's my "take"..
Chief Melvin says the MPD will send letters to vehicles that citizens file "complaints".. those letters will say something like "you were observed by a fellow citizen doing XXX. You should care about our community and watch your behavior...blah, blah, blah.. take care, god bless, shalom, go in peace.. The Chief.." Period.. end of story.. whether it's one letter or a million...
Oh, I know.. you wanted someone to jump on the "they should have a XX letter limit, then a fine!" bandwagon.. oh sorry, there I go reading into simple sentences again.. er, I mean asking a question that wasn't in post..
.. and I'm the one making it difficult? ha..!..
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Jason
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| | 07/15/2007 6:54 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By AzSandSlinger on 07/15/2007 6:44 PM
.. sigh...
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Let me try this again: Police department issues letters for complaints against drivers. Let's say that they get a whole lot of complaints against one person. I am asking if they're just going to send a letter or do something like send out an officer? That is all. No comprehension problem on my part. Suppose you're police chief. What would you do? You have a stack of complaints on your desk about one person, what would you do? Let a potential menace just get a letter? </div>
Don't backpedal.. that's not what you asked..
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>How many letters in a month or year before you are assumed guilty?</div>
Although I like how you tried to turn it around with your "Let a potential menace just get a letter? " remark...</div>
I was being sarcastic. Do I have to look that word up in the dictionary for you?
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>THE MPD.. DOES NOT.. HAVE <i>CITIZENS</i>.. "PATROLLING"..</div>
It's been in other articles that they will. I'm not going to go look them up for you. | |
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