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Subject: Stop Light At VRED Main Entrance
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RayDizzle34User is Offline

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02/15/2008 11:35 PM Alert 

I don't know about any of you guys but I have noticed that there is a ridiculous amount of traffic on Smith Enke at peak driving hours and it is nearly impossible to get out of there at times. Like early morning around 6 and afternoons around 5. Do any of you think that a stop light would ever be a possibility at this location?

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02/16/2008 11:38 AM Alert 
No, take a right and turn around down the street. You should have thought about that before you bought your house. Don't try to make traffic worse for everyone else.
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02/16/2008 2:44 PM Alert 
No more lights! Turn out into the intersection and then when a spot opens, pull into it. Don't be afraid to accelerate quickly.

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02/16/2008 7:07 PM Alert 

I think that ultimately a traffic light may be necessary there--if traffic keeps increasing at that intersection, it's simply going to become unsafe to make the left there. At that point it won't be a matter of "trying to make traffic worse for everyone," but something needed for the safety of everyone. As for saying "you should have thought about that before you moved there," that's quite the load of bs given that a lot of folks moved in there when there was no traffic at that intersection--and the issue would have been irrelevent then. Traffic increased since then, and nobody has a crystal ball.  Traffic patterns change as populations increase, and new lights need to be added sometimes.

For now, I tend to avoid that entrance during rush hour, instead coming out at Edison road and making the right onto the 347, which is a lot easier.

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02/16/2008 7:37 PM Alert 
DesertDweller says "anyone who complains... GET OUT OF MARICOPA". That is what all the "older timers" say. The facts are our city planners screwed up big time. They are not very bright unfortunately and they built massive neighborhoods in an area with no stoplight too close to the train tracks. Brilliant! Furthermore, when 70+ trains a day start coming through here, unless someone takes pity on you and lets you out, forget about going left. Every down there is hosed. Instead of building neighborhood after neighborhood stacked on top of each other, they could have build a traffic grid in this town. One less row of houses, but another 4 lane route through town or two. Now it is too late because the homes and subdivisions have been stacked. Meanwhile Huckleberry Fin who designed this town is laughing it up basking in his trailer stacked on cow poop.
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02/16/2008 10:28 PM Alert 
Drive Chandler Blvd in Ahwatukee Foothills. Lights aren't needed every 1/4 mile and they have far more residents that drive in and out every day. They do not need a light at this intersection. Perhaps they could replace some of the median with an acceleration lane.

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CliffinAZUser is Offline

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02/17/2008 12:57 AM Alert 

True, maybe something other than a stop light would solve the problem.  An acceleration lane would definitely help.

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02/17/2008 8:55 AM Alert 

If the Tortosa people would stay on Honeycutt, instead of driving over to SmithEnkhe, there wouldnt be as much traffic.

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02/17/2008 10:22 AM Alert 
I always use the light at Edison to get out. It is a death sentence to try and use Smith Enke.

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02/17/2008 10:31 AM Alert 
Posted By RichTig on 02/17/2008 8:55 AM

If the Tortosa people would stay on Honeycutt, instead of driving over to SmithEnkhe, there wouldnt be as much traffic.


So now people that live in Tortosa can't use public streets? 

Have you tried to turn onto JWP from Honeycutt?  Talk about an intersection that needs improvement!  I don't live in Tortosa, but I am sure glad that many of them do the smart thing and take Porter over to Smith-Enke.  If they didn't, the traffic would be backed up nearly to Porter trying to turn onto JWP. 

 

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02/17/2008 10:47 AM Alert 

Then there needs to be a stoplight at VRED.   In the morning it is near impossible to make a left turn there.

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02/17/2008 2:08 PM Alert 
Posted By RichTig on 02/17/2008 10:47 AM

Then there needs to be a stoplight at VRED.   In the morning it is near impossible to make a left turn there.


RichTig go with the light at edison. Why should a light be made just for your community when you already have a decent way to get in and out of your neighborhood?

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02/17/2008 2:33 PM Alert 
Well, I moved to my house in 2005, before there was all the traffic, and can I ask how many other people knew that Smith Enke would have this much traffic when they purchased their homes? Why shoudn't a light be made for the safety and convenience of people? Yes the light at Edison is there and I use that route, but we shouldn't have to go out of our way just to get to the main road. And we shouldn't have to turn right at the Main Entrance of the Villages then make a u-turn. That's ridiculous. If a light would help the traffic, it should definitely be thought about.

And how would this make, "traffic for everyone else worse?"
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02/17/2008 3:46 PM Alert 
Why is it so difficult to pull into the intersection and then wait for a gap in traffic?

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RayDizzle34User is Offline

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02/17/2008 4:10 PM Alert 
Is everyone supposed to do this? And the whole point behind the light is that there is NO breaks in traffic in the morning. The line of cars goes from CVS all the way to Vintage Dr. I really don't understand how a light at this intersection would make things any more difficult.
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02/17/2008 4:24 PM Alert 
If you put a light there you are going to cause havok with cars that travel across Smith Enke. Timing the light correctly would be a nightmare and would slow down traffic going across Smith Enke for the convenience of a few residents in VRED.
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02/17/2008 6:21 PM Alert 
Posted By caveman on 02/17/2008 4:24 PM
If you put a light there you are going to cause havok with cars that travel across Smith Enke. Timing the light correctly would be a nightmare and would slow down traffic going across Smith Enke for the convenience of a few residents in VRED.


Really, it's not just a matter of convenience for 'a few residents' (I think you must be joking or really have no idea about the size of the population in this subdivision to be characterizing it this way anyway.)  It's a matter of the safety of everyone at that intersection (in VRED or on Smith Enke but being affected by the people turning out of VRED), particularly during the morning rush hour.  It's a basic fact of any growing city/town: once traffic at an intersection becomes heavy enough to the point of accidents being likely, a light needs to be added for the sake of safety.  The city can make the determination of when/if it becomes necessary, based on the same criteria used to make the determination for other intersections.  If the city determines the problem can be resolved in another way (like Ken's suggestion of removing some of the median and adding a turn lane) I'm fine with that too. 

Something does need to be done though, and the subdivision is far too big for the single exit at Edison to be an effective solution--particularly for those at the opposite end of the subdivision.  There's no way that this could work anyway.  Consider that there's only a single main road WITHIN the subdivision, which every single person in this big subdivision who has to go to work in the morning would need to be traveling on in the same direction to get to Edison.  Having more then one exit out of the subdivision helps alleviate this problem--same as it does in the other larger subdivisions.

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02/17/2008 7:06 PM Alert 
Posted By RayDizzle34 on 02/17/2008 4:10 PM
Is everyone supposed to do this? And the whole point behind the light is that there is NO breaks in traffic in the morning. The line of cars goes from CVS all the way to Vintage Dr. I really don't understand how a light at this intersection would make things any more difficult.



Then a light isn't going to help you at all. I see this kind of backup every time I visit Frys Electronics, and the light only makes things worse. Why? Well if you get a light I can guarantee your next complaint will be people that don't wait their turn and stop in the intersection. So VRED will get a green light but there will be nowhere for you guys to go because of how much traffic there is. A light will only make things worse.

 

VRED has Edison dedicated to it. Lobby for better timing of the Edison light and use that. It's your only hope, because there are neigbhorhoods for which Smith-Enke is the only option. Another thing that would help is for ADOT to put a crowbar into their wallet and add more to the right lane on 347 after Smith-Enke. Then kill the right lane prior to Smith-Enke and give Smith-Enke a solid green arrow all of the time.

 

Smith-Enke sounds overloaded in the morning and asking for a way so more residents can pile on isn't going to help.


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02/17/2008 8:21 PM Alert 
They need to put red lights evey mile all the way to I 10 on 347 and have them sensored so that when 20 car go through it will turn red for 30 seconds and have them timed at a 65mph interval.
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02/17/2008 10:53 PM Alert 
Posted By RayDizzle34 on 02/15/2008 11:35 PM

I don't know about any of you guys but I have noticed that there is a ridiculous amount of traffic on Smith Enke at peak driving hours and it is nearly impossible to get out of there at times. Like early morning around 6 and afternoons around 5. Do any of you think that a stop light would ever be a possibility at this location?


A traffic signal has already been approved and will be installed in the near future.  

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