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Linda H
Posts:44
 | | 01/04/2008 7:00 PM |
 Alert | | Saw it on the way home (just got here). At the light at RED, there was a police truck radaring and 3 cop cars waiting in line. We saw 1 take off after someone right in front of us and 2 more had cars pulled over! What was up with traffic tonight anyway? This? It was backed up most of the way in to Maricopa. | | | |
| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 01/04/2008 7:12 PM |
Alert | | I saw it too. With all the traffic, we were lucky to break 35 MPH in the 45 when I went through. Hopefully they were going after red light runners. | |
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| | beowulf
Posts:427
| | 01/05/2008 9:42 AM |
Alert | | I sped by them thought I was a gonner...they must have missed me | | | |
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| | kharless
Posts:72
| | 01/05/2008 10:43 AM |
Alert | It's not a speed trap if your not speeding. It just cops during their jobs!
Get the bad guys! | |
47.2 percent of all statistics are made up on the spot!
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| | asugrl
Posts:292
| | 01/06/2008 1:02 AM |
Alert | | I saw 4 diff. cars pulled over off of porter and smith-enke. I thought there was an accident as I approached, but no, just 4 different cops, each behind a car. Figured it was a speed trap, since no one does 35 there. That speed seems too slow for that area; I usually do 50 there. *oops*. Anyway, I highly doubt these people were "bad guys." They could have just been doing 5 over; these cops should be out getting people who run red lights, not people who don't go a ridiculous speed limit on an open road. | | | |
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| | mallardisme
Posts:533
| | 01/06/2008 1:32 AM |
Alert | A speed trap is different than an speed enforcment zone.
If ya go faster than the limit and they hit ya with the radar, guess what, you will have a ticket.
Also, they will only ticket YOU, not the others that were going as fast as you.
The best way to avoid this is to obey the speed limits. (silly concept, huh?) | |
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|  | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 01/06/2008 11:52 AM |
Alert | A speed trap is different than an speed enforcment zone.
Exactly. A speed trap would be if they set up at the southern Cobblestone entrance where it drops to 35 out of nowhere, for no good reason. | |
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| | kharless
Posts:72
| | 01/06/2008 7:53 PM |
Alert | Speed Traps/Speed Zones...
Just pay attention to the signs, when they say 35, ummm er... go 35! Wow... what a friggin concept. Ohhh wait, 35 is too slow... I (enter reason here).
<- Hasn't had a speeding ticket in 20 years.. Wonder why? | |
47.2 percent of all statistics are made up on the spot!
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| | asugrl
Posts:292
| | 01/06/2008 11:53 PM |
Alert | | I've never gotten a speeding ticket, yet I speed most of the time. go figure. | | | |
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| | Ptarmigan
Posts:14
| | 01/07/2008 9:47 AM |
Alert | My car was broken into in Senita this weekend. I guess the criminals saw that the cops were too busy issuing tickets to be patrolling.
I've seen this before, very quickly, the cops alienate the citizenry with this kind of aggressive policing. I've said it before, if the Police themselves didn't drive incredibly poorly, I'd be fully supportive, but to be issuing tickets for speeding and running red lights/stop signs, when they themselves speed and run red lights and stop signs, is hypocrisy at best. I saw six separate cops with six separate motorists pulled over on Friday night. We have gang problems, thefts of and from vehicles and a host of other law enforcement priorities, but our cops are too lazy to take the initiative on those. I can only hope that they person who broke into my vehicle speeds on the John Wayne Parkway, and then they might stand a chance of catching him.
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| | Family Guy
Posts:198
| | 01/07/2008 10:04 AM |
Alert | Posted By Ptarmigan on 01/07/2008 9:47 AM
My car was broken into in Senita this weekend. I guess the criminals saw that the cops were too busy issuing tickets to be patrolling.
I can only hope that they person who broke into my vehicle speeds on the John Wayne Parkway, and then they might stand a chance of catching him.
Well that totally sucks! How did they get into your garage? | | | |
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| | Ptarmigan
Posts:14
| | 01/07/2008 10:19 AM |
Alert | | My vehicle was on my driveway. | | | |
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| | Family Guy
Posts:198
| | 01/07/2008 11:04 AM |
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| | Family Guy
Posts:198
| | | Ptarmigan
Posts:14
| | 01/07/2008 11:25 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Family Guy on 01/07/2008 11:05 AM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Ptarmigan on 01/07/2008 10:19 AM
My vehicle was on my driveway.</div>
<img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/wink.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Wink' align='absmiddle'>Exactly<img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/wink.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Wink' align='absmiddle'>
You can complain about the police not doing their jobs as much as you want. </div>
It's called being a taxpayer, one of the benefits of which is that I get to complain when the people who I pay for seem more interested in making a quick buck on the back of someone driving inattentively than actually doing something about criminals.
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>But when push comes to shove, your car should have been safe in the garage. </div>
It's physically impossible to fit an Expedition and a Silverado in the same two car garage and still be able to open the doors on either vehicle. Regardless of which, a vehicle should be safe anywhere, some thieving scumbag does not have the right to break in and steal things. It would be a lot harder for them to do so were the Police actually patrolling, instead of sitting in the side streets off JWP waiting for someone to screw up.
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| | GoinCrazy
Posts:186
| | 01/07/2008 4:21 PM |
Alert | Ok...(cracks fingers before furiously typing like a mad person)...
Ptarmigan..."the people who I pay for seem more interested in making a quick buck on the back of someone driving inattentively than actually doing something about criminals."
It's called a TASK FORCE. Just because there are several police officers there, conducting a TASK FORCE, doesn't mean there aren't cops patrolling the streets. Could you seriously be that insanely naive to believe that ALL the police officers on shift at that moment are working the TASK FORCE?
Another thing, you stated the department is "trying to make a quick buck on the back of someone driving inattentively." The problem I have with this statement is if you are driving inattentively, you should not be behind the wheel and it is people like that who cause accidents. If someone is driving inattentively, they deserve the ticket they receive.
To call the officers of the Maricopa Police Department hypocrites is very nervy. You claim the department is racing through stop signs and lights. You claim they are speeding. If you are so concerned about what they are doing, file a complaint. There are numbers on their cars for a reason. What is complaining about them on 85239.com going to do? Umm...NOTHING! Have you actually seen this happen? Do you know exactly why the officer did that? Were you listening to radio transmissions at that moment and heard the call he may or may not have taken? You don't know what is going on, do you?
What I would like to know though, do you have thousands of people standing behind your desk, critiquing your every move? Do you have people making comments about the job you do every day? Can you not cut a little slack? Just because your car was broken into, and you had a bad day, you have to take it out on the police? What about the garbage truck that came through and left a piece of trash on your driveway? What about the landscapers throughout town that blew grass on your freshly washed car? What about the tow truck that threw a rock on your windshield while driving down 347? Do you have nothing better to complain about? You criticize the department, but what about the good things? What about the child they rescued from the abusive father? What about the drugs they took off the streets? What about all the good things they have done? Why is it they are constantly criticized for things and NEVER congratulated for the good?
You claim the officers are too busy, excuse me, too lazy, giving tickets and not doing something about the criminals. The Maricopa Police Department has done more to clean up this city than the PCSO did. As the city grows, so does the crime. Would you like to pay MORE taxes to bring on the proper amount of officers, with the proper task forces, to better fight the crime that is growing? Or is that your next complaint? You are complaining about a brand new department, with a mere 42 police officers.
As far as your vehicle is concerned, do you complain about gas prices as well? Anyway, I am sorry to hear that your vehicle was broken into. It is a shame. I have had it happen to me before, it sucks. If you think it is safe to leave your vehicle anywhere, you are sadly mistaken. Nothing is safe anymore. Walking out your front door to get the morning paper isn't safe.
And, by the way, you could have a police force the size of Phoenix PD here in little ole Maricopa...if a thief wants what is in your car, or simply your car, they will take it. The only way to prevent that from happening is to put a police officer on every street corner in the city. And we both know that is impossible, to say the least. | |
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| | Ptarmigan
Posts:14
| | 01/07/2008 5:14 PM |
Alert | It's called a TASK FORCE. Just because there are several police officers there, conducting a TASK FORCE, doesn't mean there aren't cops patrolling the streets. Could you seriously be that insanely naive to believe that ALL the police officers on shift at that moment are working the TASK FORCE?
Do you not think that the public would be better served with a task force to reduce domestic violence, gang activity, drug use or graffiti? Of course not, there's no money in that. When someone finds a way for the Police/City to make money from say, Domestic Violence, then my friend you'll see a task force operating there most rickey tick.
Another thing, you stated the department is "trying to make a quick buck on the back of someone driving inattentively." The problem I have with this statement is if you are driving inattentively, you should not be behind the wheel and it is people like that who cause accidents. If someone is driving inattentively, they deserve the ticket they receive.
Quite possibly, however, again, more could be achieved by focusing those resources on issues that are, in all fairness considerably more serious, . I have first hand experience of this. What happens is that the public fully supports the activities of the department for a while, and then, after people, their friends, their families and their co-workers get tickets, the police department starts to alienate the very citizens it is supposed to serve. I'm not certain that's a good thing. I think the police may get a better response from the public by perhaps issuing the odd warning. This department tends to reach for the citations rather too fast. Now, I don't mind getting a ticket. I've been driving for almost 20 years on three continents and have picked up a few of them over the years (three to be exact), but I truly believe the this ticket happy attitude is not in the best interests of either the citizens, or the Police themselves. I certainly wouldn't go out of my way to assist them now.
To call the officers of the Maricopa Police Department hypocrites is very nervy. You claim the department is racing through stop signs and lights. You claim they are speeding. If you are so concerned about what they are doing, file a complaint. There are numbers on their cars for a reason. What is complaining about them on 85239.com going to do? Umm...NOTHING! Have you actually seen this happen? Do you know exactly why the officer did that? Were you listening to radio transmissions at that moment and heard the call he may or may not have taken? You don't know what is going on, do you?
1. I have complained, but for some reason, the MPD are somewhat reluctant to call me back. I have, in the last 2 weeks seen one officer execute a dangerous U turn, one officer drive down the suicide lane causing others to swerve to avoid him, one officer driving along at night without lights, two separate officers speeding, and an officer fail to stop at a stop sign. I could care less what call they received because Arizona Law states that they must drive safety in response to an emergency call, and that they must display audible and visual warnings when driving outside the traffic laws. As, at no time were such warnings displayed, the officers were not driving in accordance with the law, and were therefore no better than those they ticket. This, my Dodge charger driving friend, is hypocrisy. It's also abuse of authority and unprofessionalism. I certainly expect better. Not only did I witness these things, but due to the sheer amount of bad driving I have seen from MPD (not PCSO or DPS I hasten to add) I have started recording said poor driving using the video feature of my cellphone. I will be making a CD which I intend to deliver to both the Chief, City Council, new City Manager when he gets here and also DPS. I'm going to post it on a website, which I will call www.copacopscantdrive.com.
What I would like to know though, do you have thousands of people standing behind your desk, critiquing your every move? Do you have people making comments about the job you do every day? Can you not cut a little slack?
hang on a second. You just said that people driving poorly deserve a ticket. Now you are saying slack should be cut? You can't have it both ways. Either we're having a zero tolerance policy towards bad driving, or we're not. If we're punishing and harassing the citizens, then we should certainly be punishing and harassing the cops to the same, if not a greater degree. If the citizenry are accountable for their driving, then so should the cops be.
As for having people critiquing my every move. I've spent 11 years in the military, and have worked for some time as, you guessed it, a Police Officer (I'm not anymore) and so I know what these guys go through. It also makes me more critical of them because their badge is an obligation to be better drivers, not a shield from the same laws you and I are bound by (at least when you're off duty anyway).
What about the garbage truck that came through and left a piece of trash on your driveway? What about the landscapers throughout town that blew grass on your freshly washed car? What about the tow truck that threw a rock on your windshield while driving down 347?
All irritating, and yes, I bitch about all of them. However, the trash truck, landscapers and tow truck aren't writing other people tickets for their grass shedding, trash dropping and rick throwing infractions. The police however are, and that therefore means that their eye has to be plank free before the citation pad comes out.
You criticize the department, but what about the good things? What about the child they rescued from the abusive father? What about the drugs they took off the streets? What about all the good things they have done? Why is it they are constantly criticized for things and NEVER congratulated for the good?
I've had very few dealings with the Police since moving to Maricopa, however, a young PCSO officer attended a report I made before the MPD were operational. He was polite, and did a great job. I called the Sheriff to praise the officer. I'll give credit where it's due, and my only problem with the MPD is the way that they drive. If their driving were above reproach, I'd not have a problem with them issuing tickets for similar infractions. It isn't, and they seem a little ticket happy for my liking. I'm sure they're all wonderful people, but to act like their poor driving should be forgiven because they do a great job elsewhere, is frankly, a little silly. If they pull over a Doctor who saved three lives in the ER that day, does he get a pass? What about the Paramedic, the teacher, the soldier just back from Iraq? Do they get passes for driving badly because they do good work? Should they, or is this something only cops get forgiven for?
Would you like to pay MORE taxes to bring on the proper amount of officers, with the proper task forces, to better fight the crime that is growing? Or is that your next complaint?
There's over 60 of them anyway. That's actually a fairly high number for this size of community. And yes, I'd pay more taxes for the cops to have decent equipment, decent training, and targeted task forces (for which federal and state grants are almost always available. Maybe they could even use some of the ticket revenue.
As far as your vehicle is concerned, do you complain about gas prices as well?
No - they really aren't that expensive.
The only way to prevent that from happening is to put a police officer on every street corner in the city. And we both know that is impossible, to say the least.
It seems possible to put one on every corner of JWP. | | | |
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| | GilaGuy
Posts:789
| | 01/07/2008 6:09 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By GoinCrazy on 01/07/2008 4:21 PM The Maricopa Police Department has done more to clean up this city than the PCSO did. As the city grows, so does the crime. Would you like to pay MORE taxes to bring on the proper amount of officers, with the proper task forces, to better fight the crime that is growing? Or is that your next complaint? You are complaining about a brand new department, with a mere 42 police officers.</div>
I agree with almost everything in your post, with the exception of the above portion.
First off, I think the vast majority of us welcome the arrival of MPD and are grateful for the contributions they bring. I do not, however, thing it is abundantly clear that they have "cleaned up this city more then PCSO did." As you said yourself, MPD is a brand-new agency, so the notion that anything can possibly be cleaned up in a matter of months (or days, actually, if you consider the fact that MPD has only had a 24-hour presence since last week) is a bit of a stretch.
So too is the notion that PCSO sat around on their laurels. For those of us who have been here a while, PCSO was our lifeblood. We were happy to have them, thought we were getting a good service for the money we put forth in taxes, and appreciated their service. I would rather we not denigrate their performance in the process of praising MPD. :-)
As for paying more taxes, it all remains to be seen just how much we'll be paying for the police force we currently have. Chief Melvin has done a terrific job, but no police agency in the nation ever sticks to budget...it just doesn't happen. That's not necessarily his (or anyone's) fault, it's just the way it is. So I personally do not believe we won't see a tax hike in the near-future in order to pay for the department we now have. That's a matter for another debate.
Like anyone else, I'm happy to see speed enforcement. But like others, I've heard stories of and on occasion observed firsthand as folks were stopped and cited (not warned) for ticky-tack infractions that made me shake my head. Admittedly I'm biased here, because I am clearly not in favor of "zero tolerance" for infractions. Yes, the PD has every right to enforce municipal and state laws. But perhaps using the heavy hammer of justice every time is a bit much. Scaring the average citizen by warning them is often just as effective a citing them.
But there's no revenue generated that way. ;-) | | | |
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| | Denna
Posts:0
| | 01/07/2008 9:01 PM |
Alert | Family Guy - For shame. You are blaming the victim. You are saying that we, in Maricopa, are asking to be robbed if we leave our car outside of the garage? If that is the case, then we have a serious crime problem. The police really shouldn't be doing task forces to issue tickets while homes and cars are being robbed daily.
I sometimes wear tops that show cleavage. Should I be raped? Does that say, "come have sex with me"?
People should be able to park their cars in the street without them being robbed by the ghetto trash that has moved into our community. | | | |
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| | stinkerbell2
Posts:0
| | 01/07/2008 9:58 PM |
Alert | Due to my lady like status I cannot comment on Denna's post... | | | |
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