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| | Author | Messages | |
imwithstupid
Posts:23
 | | 07/20/2007 8:09 PM |
 Alert | the left lane IS the passing lane. i know the right lane is rough, but if youve got cars stacked up behind you(you do look into your mirrors right?), and no-one in front of you, then that means that you are the problem and you should move to the right and let them by. once by and no-one is coming(you need to judge their speed in relation to yours), then jump back in the left. but do not sit in the left lane and stack us all up, and slow us down. some of us are in a hurry, and you dont know but there could be a woman about to give birth that needs to move it. so please, use common courtesy, and move over.
accidents are caused by panic, and people who panic stab their brakes, which is why all of us driving in a big group is inherently dangerous. how often do you see a one car pile-up????
people need to start taking this driving thing more seriously. it is a very dangerous thing to do, driving down a road in a 4000lb chunk of steel and plastic, and doing it within 6 feet of another person that you dont know, IS VERY DANGEROUS DONT YOU THINK?????
this is not a time to not be paying attention. | | | |
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| | BlueKnight394
Posts:3
| | 07/25/2007 8:28 AM |
Alert | Good morning,
Some of you might have noticed a gold passenger car (not your typical police vehicle) making traffic stops on 347 in the last few months. Sometimes in Rancho El Dorado as well. This is me, and I am a detective for a local agency who drives an unmarked car. I have lived in Maricopa for almost 3 years, and have until recently, left the traffic enforcement to DPS, Pinal County SO, and the newly formed Maricopa PD. But, with the increase in serious traffic accidents, fatalities, and road rage incidents I have observed while driving to and from work, I have begun to take enforcement action when I deem it necessary. Besides the speeders, wreckless drivers, and just stupid motorists, I have noticed that people driving in the left lane while not passing anyone is a huge issue. This has been a constant problem, be it from the rough road conditions, or people just trying to make a point. Make no mistake, this is an illegal action. Please refer to ARS 28-701E and 28-721B. More importantly, this is one of the leading causes of road rage, and someone is going to become a victim if it continues. We are not exempt from the shootings associated with road rage, which are happening almost weekly in the valley. For those who will respond and say, "why don't you stop the speeders?", I do. I just stopped a motorcyle on Saturday night for driving in excess of 100mph and splitting traffic. I enforce the traffic laws on a case by case basis, and my decision is based mostly on the traffic conditions at the time, and the severity of the violation. Please refrain from speeding, illegal passing, following too close, and driving in the left lane when not passing. And don't be surprised if you see dash lights blinking behind you. I have read the past posts about not stopping for a vehicle not clearly marked, and I understand your concerns. If you do not feel comfortable pulling over, I will not be offended, but a marked unit will not be far behind to complete the stop so I can issue the citation. Maricopa is a family community, and most of us have children who we treasure more than anything. My actions are to protect my family, and yours, so that no more lives are taken during our travels. | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 07/25/2007 9:55 AM |
Alert | | Oh, please, please nail someone who is in the left lane going 50-60 MPH for driving too slow for the conditions and blocking traffic! This happens with regularity driving home from work. | |
Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | TortosaGuy
Posts:725
| | 07/26/2007 8:59 AM |
Alert | | BLUE....like 99% of the people on the 347 i speed everyday i drive that highway...i routinely travel in the left lane doing 75-80mph....though i am breaking the law as well...i dont see a problem driving in the left lane the whole way to the I-10...and you mentioned its illegal to drive in the passing lane...so are you saying you expect to see a long line of cars driving in the right lane....with people popping in and out to pass?...to me thats more dangerous | |
*formerly known as inyrfce2*
Senior Member
Posts: 797
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| | mirk
Posts:8
| | 07/26/2007 9:31 AM |
Alert | | Thank you Bluenight394. I am one who welcomes you pulling up the speeders and reckless drivers. <img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/smile.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Smile' align='absmiddle'> | | | |
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| | Lees2
Posts:586
| | 07/27/2007 10:38 AM |
Alert | | Thank you BlueKnight! But where were you Sunday night at 9:20 p.m. when a car doing 45 MPH!!!! was in the left lane and caused a back-up? I know, you cannot be everywhere, but those of us who didn't expect a traffic jam would have cheered for joy! I was wondering if they were on something because they refused to move over and people were passing them and flashing them and though it was dark, probably a few birds were flying. | |
Previous Post Count: 2731
Member Since: April 22, 2005 at 3:24 p.m. | |
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|  | LITTLEFEET
Posts:10
| | 07/29/2007 4:39 PM |
Alert | | As for being too slow by driving 65, it is posted speed limit. Until the legal limit is changed that is what I will drive. If you feel that this is in fact too slow, please contact your local and state law-makers and have the limit legally changed. One more thought, directed to the guy on the black motorcycle that wears a backpack and travels the 347 every morning around 5:45am. You had better slow down and start being more carefull with your lane passes or you are going to end up being road pizza. You passed me slow close the other morning that I thought that you were going to take paint off my front bumper. I ride a bike too, so I can say without a doubt, you are the kind of idiot that drives up my motorcycle insurance rates, and gives the rest of us bikers a bad name. | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 07/29/2007 8:44 PM |
Alert | | If you're going 65 and you have cars stacked up behind you, you are going too slow for the flow of traffic and need to move over. Period. | |
Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | trfsrfr
Posts:61
| | 07/30/2007 2:25 PM |
Alert | | I know that the sign says 65 mph, but the real speed limit is how fast everyone else is driving. if youre not doing the same speed as everyone else, then you are are the one causing the problem. doesnt make a difference if your going slower, or faster, than everyone else. majority rules, for safety reasons. | | | |
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| | BlueKnight394
Posts:3
| | 08/01/2007 12:35 PM |
Alert | TortosaGuy: The laws are set up so that traffic flows exactly as you described. Slower traffic travels in the right lane, while faster vehicles pass in the left lane. I am not here to judge what people believe to be right or wrong. I was just pointing out my observations while traveling to and from work. I understand each argument presented here, be it from the people driving 65 or the people who drive like idiots. I'm simply trying to help people avoid a confrontation in traffic. As I posted earlier, one of the leading causes of road rage is left lane drivers.
Lees2: Had I seen this person, I would have stopped them to check out the problem. Please remember there are a large number of senior citizens who travel on 347 going to and from the casino. Many of them drive slower at night for various reasons, but should be driving in the right lane. We all have old age to look forward to, and without fail, our driving will soon suffer.
Littlefeet: I applaud you for driving the speed limit, and wish we all did. My main point was to express my concerns over people who drive at the posted speed limit in the left lane knowing full well they are impeding vehicles behind them. As I stated earlier, much of this problem should be corrected when the road is resurfaced. I was in no way suggesting you should drive faster to please other drivers. | | | |
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| | Lees2
Posts:586
| | 08/01/2007 12:54 PM |
Alert | | I understand about the age thing, but my grandmother was one who always told me to drive on the right side of the road if you were going to go slow (which she was notorious for). It seems like the older people know these laws better than the younger ones. More often than not, older people tend to be more curteous. | |
Previous Post Count: 2731
Member Since: April 22, 2005 at 3:24 p.m. | |
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| | trfsrfr
Posts:61
| | 08/01/2007 10:01 PM |
Alert | unfortunately, the people who are on the roads causing all the problems most likely dont read this forum. or even more likely, dont understand the language. like the 2 jacka$$es i was behind for 11 miles today, doing the same speed (55 mph), driving right next to each other.
i would have loved to had a chat with both of them, but im sure they didnt speak english, the 'official' language of america. its time for all of these construction companies to start paying the 'legal' americans a decent wage to roof their houses and do their landscaping. no wonder their all complaining about the new law that governor Napolitano put into place; they wouldnt be getting rich and fat and making money hand over fist if they actually had to pay an american citizen to do that kind of work. | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 08/02/2007 10:09 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By TortosaGuy on 07/26/2007 8:59 AM
so are you saying you expect to see a long line of cars driving in the right lane....with people popping in and out to pass?...to me thats more dangerous</div>
Yes, that is the expectation. Drive in the right lane, pass on the left. That is the safest method; just look at the Autobahn... | |
Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | vinny
Posts:691
| | 09/30/2007 6:33 PM |
Alert | | well, guess its time to bump this up, now that even with the right lane being smoother we still have people traveling at 60 or less in the left lane. | |
Follow your bliss. Happiness is a conscious decision | |
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| | CrownNCoke
Posts:810
| | 10/01/2007 6:42 AM |
Alert | | The blueKight is right...when I am held up by some idiot driving slow in the left lane that is when my road rage starts to come to the surface!! | |
The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed.
Carl Jung | |
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| | klix76
Posts:95
| | 10/01/2007 5:35 PM |
Alert | | It has been mentioned before that thi forum isn't reaching all we want it to. Speak to people and be aware of safety not selfishness. It just seems idiots are clogging the left lane. Even now its worse with both lanes smooth they are back in it. | | | |
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| | lowlife
Posts:22
| | 10/03/2007 4:28 PM |
Alert | | Did you ever notice when traveling down I10 to Casa Grande (2 lanes) there is no traffic issues. That's right! I seldom see road rage crazy driving menuvers or moving road blocks. Why is it when people get onto 347 all this BS starts? I'm a drive with the flow of the traffic kinda guy. Beit 65 or 75 any faster and I'm in the right hand lane letting you idiots by. I watched a girl in a new Pontiac G6 swerve through traffic cutting everyone (including me) off as she passed while dialing and talking on her cell phone. I don't think she noticed that everysingle person she cut off hit the horn and gave her the bird. How can people REALLY be that ignorant? | | | |
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| | CatMan
Posts:26
| | 10/08/2007 10:01 AM |
Alert | | I was kinda wondering myself. The road has been resurfaced and both lanes are smooth. So NOW what excuse do you have for traveling in the left lane unless passing?!? Some people seem to think they can lay claim to the left lane and not be concerned about other traffic. | |
I thought it was great that I seemed to be getting more patience with age...turns out I just don't give a darn. | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/08/2007 2:31 PM |
Alert |
| It is really puzzling. This morning I passed a van in the left lane, with about 5 cars tailgating it. Even after the left lane went to the old pavement, everyone kept following the van in the left lane, even though the right lane was freshly paved. | |
Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | BryantJason
Posts:9
| | 10/08/2007 8:27 PM |
Alert | 28-701. Reasonable and prudent speed; prima facie evidence; exceptions
A. A person shall not drive a vehicle on a highway at a speed greater than is reasonable and prudent under the circumstances, conditions and actual and potential hazards then existing. A person shall control the speed of a vehicle as necessary to avoid colliding with any object, person, vehicle or other conveyance on, entering or adjacent to the highway in compliance with legal requirements and the duty of all persons to exercise reasonable care for the protection of others.
B. Except as provided in subsections C and D of this section or except if a special hazard requires a lesser speed, any speed in excess of the following speeds is prima facie evidence that the speed is too great and therefore unreasonable:
1. Fifteen miles per hour approaching a school crossing.
2. Twenty-five miles per hour in a business or residential district.
3. Sixty-five miles per hour in other locations.
C. The speed limits prescribed in this section may be altered as authorized in sections 28-702 and 28-703.
D. The maximum speed provided in this section is reduced to the speed that is reasonable and prudent under the conditions and with regard to the actual and potential hazards then existing, including the following conditions:
1. Approaching and crossing an intersection or railroad crossing.
2. Approaching and going around a curve.
3. Approaching a hillcrest.
4. Traveling on a narrow or winding roadway.
5. A special hazard exists with respect to pedestrians or other traffic or by reason of weather or highway conditions.
E. A person shall not drive a motor vehicle at a speed that is less than the speed that is reasonable and prudent under existing conditions.
Need I say more...... | | | |
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