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Sinbad
Posts:3019
 | | 11/19/2007 11:06 AM |
 Alert | Hey Wikipedia boy
LOL... Just .....LOL
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Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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| | Sinbad
Posts:3019
| | 11/19/2007 11:09 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 11/18/2007 8:02 PM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>I, for one, would like to see this forum's administration take a stand and not allow such threads to warn drivers where the photo radar is on the 347. Number 8 of the Forum TOU's state: "post or transmit content that encourages or provides instructional information about illegal activities".</div>
No. This does not encourage law breaking and here is why: I have gone past several of the digital speed limit signs and each gives me a reading of approximately 2 MPH lower than what the speed my speedometer reads. Because of this, I set my cruise for 2 MPH higher than my intended speed, but I intend to slow down near them to exactly 65 on my speedometer so that there is absolutely no chance of me getting a ticket.
I am not trying to break the law by knowing where these vans are, just trying to avoid a hassle over a few MPH. So <b>that's</b> why I need to know where they are.
It is <i>absolutely <b>convoluted</b></i> reasoning to think that knowing where public service vehicles are constitutes assistance in breaking the law. <i>No</i> court of law would agree with you on that.</div>
Which is it going to be jason?
Are you against people going over 65 or are you for people going over 65...
You need to TAKE A STAND!
(I know that you like to go 70 mph to 80 mph...so I know you are FOR SPEEDING)
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Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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| | Vulgrrrl
Posts:44
| | 11/19/2007 11:24 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By 60milecommute on 11/19/2007 10:59 AM
So do all of you that dont want this thread to be here turn the TV off or call the news station when they broadcast where the DUI check points are around the valley!!!!!!!!! You people crack me up. This thread is to inform not encourage.</div>
Informing has been done - we were told that the 347 would have photo radar on it. Encouraging people to speed is telling drivers where on the 347 the photo radar is set up. Why the need to know where the camera is if you're not speeding? Providing the location of the camera on here just encourages folks who speed to slow down prior to coming to the camera, right, so they do not get caught breaking law?
Funny, I don't recall specifics ever given on where the DUI checkpoints are on the freeways during holidays, just that they exist.
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Censorship is the tool of those who have the need to hide actualities from themselves and others. Their fear is only their inability to face what is real. Somewhere in their upbringing they were shielded against the total facts of our experience. They were only taught to look one way when many ways exist.
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| | 60milecommute
Posts:38
| | 11/19/2007 11:29 AM |
Alert | | You must not listen to the news that closely, I remember not too long ago(labor day weekend) the news and newspaper tell us there would be DUI checkpoints at Saguaro Lake, Lake Pleasant.......Ahhh now you remember??? | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 11/19/2007 11:54 AM |
Alert | Encouraging people to speed is telling drivers where on the 347 the photo radar is set up.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc?  | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 11/19/2007 11:55 AM |
Alert | From the front page news story: "DPS will not announce the location of the photo enforcement vehicles in advance..."
The POINT of having a vehicle is so that they can move the location at which they check for speeders up and down the highway. It's not like a static camera location, duh!
I'm talking about photo radar vans, duh! Radio stations announce their locations. | |
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|  | cbjlovenest
Posts:104
| | 11/19/2007 11:57 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Vulgrrrl on 11/18/2007 7:36 PM
I, for one, would like to see this forum's administration take a stand and not allow such threads to warn drivers where the photo radar is on the 347. Number 8 of the Forum TOU's state: "post or transmit content that encourages or provides instructional information about illegal activities".
I believe that providing the location of the photo radar on here is providing instructional information to lawbreakers. Why does one need to know where the photo radar is located IF they're doing the speed limits. Only those who are ILLEGALLY going faster than the speed limit care where the photo radar is so that they will not get caught.
Take a stand, Scott. Right here. Right now.</div>
I just wish people would read and respect what was asked for in the thread, this is no different than asking people to advise where an accident is, or anything else. People who dont know where they are create the most danger by slowing down drastically, most are not even paying attention to the speed limit, creating more danger by slamming on their brakes. The point is there are a thousand places to argue about photo radar, its benefits, its shortcomings, this wasnt supposed to be one. Posting public information is not illegal, something that even Sheriff Joe Arpiao had to be reminded of. I dont speed, but I like to be able to warn family members to slow down and to pay attention to the fact that the posted speed limit changes like five times on the way down. In either case all that is being asked here is that if you see a DPS photo radar site let us know. Many radio stations cover traffic and the same (photo radar), but none really cover Maricopa or the 347 yet. So please one more plea to keep the arguments off of this post, just the facts please! | | | |
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| | cbjlovenest
Posts:104
| | 11/19/2007 12:03 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Vulgrrrl on 11/19/2007 9:19 AM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 11/18/2007 10:46 PM
Why should we allow ANY media to report on the location of the cameras on 347? It would seem that being a good corporate citizen, should be more important than to allow drivers to break the laws of this county, state and country to 85239.com.
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I think you should protest there allowing this to continue by shutting down your profile, and boycotting the site, never posting again.... hahaha | | | |
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| | Sinbad
Posts:3019
| | 11/19/2007 12:20 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By cbjlovenest on 11/19/2007 12:03 PM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Vulgrrrl on 11/19/2007 9:19 AM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 11/18/2007 10:46 PM
Why should we allow ANY media to report on the location of the cameras on 347? It would seem that being a good corporate citizen, should be more important than to allow drivers to break the laws of this county, state and country to 85239.com.
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I think you should protest there allowing this to continue by shutting down your profile, and boycotting the site, never posting again.... hahaha</div>
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Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 11/19/2007 2:22 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Sinbad on 11/19/2007 12:20 PM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By cbjlovenest on 11/19/2007 12:03 PM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Vulgrrrl on 11/19/2007 9:19 AM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 11/18/2007 10:46 PM
Why should we allow ANY media to report on the location of the cameras on 347? It would seem that being a good corporate citizen, should be more important than to allow drivers to break the laws of this county, state and country to 85239.com.
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I think you should protest there allowing this to continue by shutting down your profile, and boycotting the site, never posting again.... hahaha</div>
LOL</div>
I didn't say that, Vulgrrrl did. | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:2930
| | 11/19/2007 2:55 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 11/19/2007 2:25 AM
Thank God there are more people like me, that know how to apply reason and logic than people like you who try to shift blame and personal responsibility where it doesn't belong.</div>
My responsibilty is to drive in a proper manner. I see NOTHING beneficial in letting speeders know where to slow down, so they can avoid getting caught. | |
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| | Granny5X
Posts:359
| | 11/19/2007 3:13 PM |
Alert | I have an answer for all of you that are against this thread. Go ahead and post the radar location, but try to be off by about a mile or even more.
If they are at Rinker light, post they are at M mountain!!!!!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
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| | DesertDweller
Posts:2544
| | 11/19/2007 3:25 PM |
Alert | The whole idea behind photo radar is to let people know that there is photo surveillance so that they will slow down. Photo radar is preventative and proactive, not an attempt to ambush speeders. Our police department is way too professional to set up speed traps. That's the kind of things you see in tax-starved, rural south Georga counties, not here.
A cop who hides behind a billboard is nowhere near as effective as one who's visible to the public. Both will still write a lot of tickets.
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Stupid should hurt!
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| | caveman
Posts:998
| | 11/19/2007 3:29 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By DesertDweller on 11/19/2007 3:25 PM
The whole idea behind photo radar is to let people know that there is photo surveillance so that they will slow down. Photo radar is preventative and proactive, not an attempt to ambush speeders. Our police department is way too professional to set up speed traps. That's the kind of things you see in tax-starved, rural south Georga counties, not here.
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Our police department does not have jurisdiction on most of the 347 where the speeding occurs so there is no way for them to set a speed trap.
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| | cbjlovenest
Posts:104
| | 11/19/2007 4:21 PM |
Alert | | You are absolutely correct, I beleive I was quoting a quote that you quoted (say that three times fast hehe). My comments were meant and directed towards that thread, Jason, we all know you would never advocate something so silly. I rarely see anyone that I agree with more. | | | |
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| | DesertDweller
Posts:2544
| | 11/19/2007 10:49 PM |
Alert | | Oh, MPD could set up a trap, but you're right - it would have to be in town. It's gonna be a given that DPS will have the photo truck on 347 for awhile. If someone publishes the location, so what? People will slow down in that location at least, which is my point. For the people who don't slow down, they will get cited. | |
Stupid should hurt!
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 11/20/2007 1:56 AM |
Alert | Posted By cbjlovenest on 11/19/2007 4:21 PM
You are absolutely correct, I beleive I was quoting a quote that you quoted (say that three times fast hehe). My comments were meant and directed towards that thread, Jason, we all know you would never advocate something so silly. I rarely see anyone that I agree with more.
Thanks, I just wanted to be sure. 
Posted By DesertDweller on 11/19/2007 3:25 PM
The whole idea behind photo radar is to let people know that there is photo surveillance so that they will slow down. Photo radar is preventative and proactive, not an attempt to ambush speeders. Our police department is way too professional to set up speed traps. That's the kind of things you see in tax-starved, rural south Georga counties, not here.
The sad thing is, DPS does setup speed traps. I've seen them several times in the wash south of Casa Blanca, aimed at south bound traffic. This is completely counter-productive and outright unsafe:
1. People slam on their brakes when they see cops, even more so when they are hiding in a ditch. Not something that you want to cause so close to an intersection.
2. They did not even come close to reducing speeds at the intersection.
3. They did not have the ability to see or do anything about the two or three impatient cars waiting in the intersection. These cars cause great danger and yet they do nothing about them.
A cop who hides behind a billboard is nowhere near as effective as one who's visible to the public. Both will still write a lot of tickets.
Going northbound on 347, near the first curve, there are a bunch of trees. Some of the trees, during high enough winds will blow over enough to hide a DPS car. Sadly, the officer in that car did nothing as the traffic I was in on the southbound side was nearly run off the road by a reckless driver who slammed on his breaks upon seeing the DPS officer. This car dropped to (IIRC) more than 20 below the speed limit in the left lane.
So yes, I'm quite sure DPS has a speeding ticket quota, or else they would go after these other blatant, dangerous and frequent violations. | |
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| | LHM
Posts:5
| | 11/20/2007 7:47 AM |
Alert | | Radar alert!!! They are, uh, were, out on the 347 this morning, at uh, ..let me see..northbound? uh, southbound, uh yeah that's the ticket, northbound, I think. I did see the FLASH for those smiling faces driving too fast, yup, I saw it. Oh, I didn't see a warning sign 300 feet from the cameras, only the flash of the camera off in the distance...waaaaaahhhhhhhh.......I love the sight of flashbulbs on 347 at zero-dark-thirty in the AM. So where were we on the fultile argument of breaking the speed limit??? Thank you AZDOT for settling that one.. | | | |
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| | CrownNCoke
Posts:810
| | 11/20/2007 7:55 AM |
Alert | | I have fought and one 8 of theses photo tickets (I am a speeder haha)...they are only after the sheep that just send there check in...mmmmmaaaaaaaammmmmaaaaa (that’s my sheep sound) | |
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| | cydyinaz
Posts:38
| | 11/20/2007 8:22 AM |
Alert | | I'm almost afraid to ask this question but if you get flashed is it a automatic ticket? | | | |
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