Sinbad
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 | | 11/12/2007 2:35 PM |
 Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 11/12/2007 2:28 PM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Which driving school teaches you to "SPEED" 5 to 15 mph over the speed limit? Can you tell me which class that was taught in? </div>
You didn't answer the question. Again, you're the one saying that it is absolutely unsafe to go faster than the limit, so can you answer the question? My position is consistent: drive safely and sometimes you can do that higher than the speed limit. Reality proves this.</div>
Which school is it? I can't seem to find a driving school that teaches you to go over the "POSTED" speed limit when it is safe and you feel like it!
Is it LEGAL to drive over the posted speed limit..."LEGAL".
Is it "LEGAL" to drive the posted speed limit!..."LEGAL"
You pick! Which of the above statements is 100% Writen in the Book LEGAL! | |
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Jason
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| | 11/12/2007 2:44 PM |
Alert | I don't know why you keep asking questions that have been answered. It's a straw man argument besides.
Yes, speeding is illegal. Speeding is a civil offense, you pay a fine or go to school and it's done. But what you're doing is a misdemeanor. You can go to jail. And somehow what I'm doing is worse? Look in the mirror for your unsafe driver Sinbad!
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Sinbad
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| | 11/12/2007 3:01 PM |
Alert | Speeding = infraction
Blocking traffic = criminal
Don't forget to say ... Blocking Traffic when people are SPeeding.
If you weren't speeding, you wouldn't be able to pass me... Would Jason. Tell be If X is going 65 mph and is 5 car length in front of Y that is also going 65 mph, when does Y catch up to X?
Answer that question? and you will have your answer. I am not blocking traffic if I am going the Speed limit. Blocking traffic is when you are "NOT" going the speed limit and cars wish to pass you.
blocking traffic is the person that is laying in the intersection because they pulled behind a car and had no room to clear the intersection.
NOT when someone is driving the speed limit and a SPEEDER wants to pass them. | |
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Sinbad
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| | 11/12/2007 3:02 PM |
Alert | driving 10-20 mph over the speed limit is Criminal also.
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Jason
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| | 11/12/2007 3:18 PM |
Alert | Blocking traffic is when you are "NOT" going the speed limit and cars wish to pass you.
No. Read the law. Blocking is any action taken to prohibit another driver from passing, no matter what your speed is.
No, again 10-20 is not criminal. It is an infraction. For sounding like you know what the law is, you're coming up quite short.
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Jason
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| | 11/12/2007 3:21 PM |
Alert | 28-708. Racing on highways; classification; exception; definitions
A. A person shall not drive a vehicle or participate in any manner in a race, speed competition or contest, drag race or acceleration contest, test of physical endurance or exhibition of speed or acceleration or for the purpose of making a speed record on a street or highway.
B. A person who violates this section is guilty of a class 1 misdemeanor. If a person is convicted of a second or subsequent violation of this section within twenty-four months of a first conviction, the person is guilty of a class 6 felony and is not eligible for probation, pardon, suspension of sentence or release on any other basis until the person has served not less than ten days in jail or prison.
H. For the purposes of this section:
1. "Drag race" means either:
(a) The operation of two or more vehicles from a point side by side at accelerating speeds in a competitive attempt to outdistance each other.
(b) The operation of one or more vehicles over a common selected course and from the same point for the purpose of comparing the relative speeds or power of acceleration of the vehicle or vehicles within a certain distance or time limit.
2. "Racing" means the use of one or more vehicles in an attempt to outgain or outdistance another vehicle or prevent another vehicle from passing.
Notice! It does not say it is OK to block if the person is a speeder. It also says if you are convicted and do it again, it becomes a felony. | |
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sweitzer
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| | 11/12/2007 4:25 PM |
Alert | | Which driving school teaches you to obstruct the flow of traffic and cause much more dangerous condtions for you and the people around you? Yes you are doing the speed limit and obeying that particular law which many people choose to dis obey but in the process you in turn and dis-obeying a law that in most peoples opinion makes it much more dangerous for everyone on the road. 10-20 over is only crminal if you are going over 85 mph, so yes it could be considered criminal in some cases, and on most parts of the 347 20 over could be written as a criminal offense but what you do is considered crminal 100% of the time. You are putting everyone on the road including yourself in more danger. If you want to make a difference go be a cop and pull over the speeders and write them tickers legally, don't make the road even more dangerous by trying to stop people from speeding using illegal criminal actions. | | | |
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smigon
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| | 11/12/2007 8:22 PM |
Alert | | YAY YAY YAY!!!! I haven't seen the signs yet, but I am so glad they got them up. I know you don't all agree, but as an admitted speeder and strict follower of "keep right except to pass", this makes me happy. | |
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Java Lover
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| | 11/12/2007 8:34 PM |
Alert | | We saw the new speed limit signs the other night. Thought it was funny there they still had the old ones up too. So I was wondering, out loud, if we were suppose to go 65+65? Hehe... | | | |
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Jason
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| | 11/12/2007 8:56 PM |
Alert | I tried that and now I'm posting this from jail.   | |
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Jason
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| | 11/12/2007 9:13 PM |
Alert | | I'm curious to find out what speed Sinbad went on the way home for the segment between Casa Blanca and Maricopa. | |
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Sp.ed.Tchr
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| | 11/12/2007 9:45 PM |
Alert | | You guys can argue all night long, but until they increase the number of patrol cars and start enforcing the law on 347, people will not be changing their driving ways anytime soon... | | | |
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RC
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| | 11/12/2007 10:14 PM |
Alert | | I think that Sinbad character is just being stubborn and is too proud to admit his argument is flawed. In a perfect world, yes we would all drive EXACTLY 65 MPH but the reality of it is, WE DON'T. The reality is if you are in the left lane, obstructing traffic (regardless of whether you're going 30 or 70 MPH), then please do us all the courtesy of moving over to the right lane. Not that difficult a concept to understand. I do the same for others and I expect the same treatment in return. | | | |
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celltech
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| | 11/13/2007 6:19 AM |
Alert | Sounds to me like sinbad likes all the cars behind him while he holds up traffic. This creates a dangerous situation. You are not a cop. Do you drive in the furthest left left lane on the freeways as well?
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mikethegoalie
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| | 11/13/2007 9:56 AM |
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I am not turning it around. I am just saying that you are a Avocate for going faster than the speed limit.
True?
I will tell you what. You drive 70-80 mph on the 347 and I will drive 65 in the Left lane.
Let's see who gets the ticket first!</div>
Umm, yeah. NO!
I was driving to California once. I was doing 80 in the left lane. (Speed limit was 75). I got passed by a number of cars. I was just about to get over cause it was a 2 line highway. Car behind me lights me up.. a Cop!!
He pulled me over for 2 things.
1. Driving in the left lane (only used for passing)
2. blocking the flow of traffic I believe was his exact words.
Even though I was SLOWER than the few cars that were around me... I got pulled over!!
Cops said I need to keep up with the flow, and I was in danager of being the one causing an accident..
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Sinbad
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| | 11/13/2007 10:41 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 11/12/2007 3:18 PM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Blocking traffic is when you are "NOT" going the speed limit and cars wish to pass you. </div>
No. Read the law. Blocking is <i>any</i> action taken to prohibit another driver from passing, no matter what your speed is.
No, again 10-20 is not criminal. It is an infraction. For sounding like you know what the law is, you're coming up quite short.
<b>Again! Is your speedometer 100% accurate?</b></div>
So what you are saying is that NO MATTER WHAT speed I am doing.. I am blocking traffic if someone wants to pass me.....
HOG WASH!!!!
If you aren't breaking the LAW by Speeding, than I can't break the law by blocking traffic!
You my friend are INCORRECT and if you would start out with NOT SPEEDING, than I wouldn't be blocking traffic..
IS THAT NOT TRUE MY FRIEND!??! | |
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Sinbad
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| | 11/13/2007 10:44 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 11/12/2007 3:21 PM
28-708. Racing on highways; classification; exception; definitions
A. A person shall not drive a vehicle or participate in any manner in a race, speed competition or contest, drag race or acceleration contest, test of physical endurance or exhibition of speed or acceleration or for the purpose of making a speed record on a street or highway.
B. A person who violates this section is guilty of a class 1 misdemeanor. If a person is convicted of a second or subsequent violation of this section within twenty-four months of a first conviction, the person is guilty of a class 6 felony and is not eligible for probation, pardon, suspension of sentence or release on any other basis until the person has served not less than ten days in jail or prison.
H. For the purposes of this section:
1. "Drag race" means either:
(a) The operation of two or more vehicles from a point side by side at accelerating speeds in a competitive attempt to outdistance each other.
(b) The operation of one or more vehicles over a common selected course and from the same point for the purpose of comparing the relative speeds or power of acceleration of the vehicle or vehicles within a certain distance or time limit.
2. "Racing" means the use of one or more vehicles in an attempt to outgain or outdistance another vehicle <b>or prevent another vehicle from passing.</b></div>
<b>Notice! It does not say it is OK to block if the person is a speeder.</b> It also says if you are convicted and do it again, it becomes a felony. </div>
This my friend proves my point.... You are not making a vaild arguement and you had to pull out some crap about racing. We aren't talking about Racing... so what the heck is this crap.
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Sinbad
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| | 11/13/2007 10:49 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By sweitzer on 11/12/2007 4:25 PM
Which driving school teaches you to obstruct the flow of traffic and cause much more dangerous condtions for you and the people around you? Yes you are doing the speed limit and obeying that particular law which many people choose to dis obey but in the process you in turn and dis-obeying a law that in most peoples opinion makes it much more dangerous for everyone on the road. 10-20 over is only crminal if you are going over 85 mph, so yes it could be considered criminal in some cases, and on most parts of the 347 20 over could be written as a criminal offense but what you do is considered crminal 100% of the time. You are putting everyone on the road including yourself in more danger. If you want to make a difference go be a cop and pull over the speeders and write them tickers legally, don't make the road even more dangerous by trying to stop people from speeding using illegal criminal actions.</div>
So basiclly ...
You are one of the people that likes to RACE down the 347...and Damn anyone in your way. If I am doing the speed limit.. I can be in any Dang Lane I want.
If you are speeding at 10-20 over the limit.. YOU ARE JUST AS BAD AS I AM. even worse because you are endangering everyone around you. High Speeds KILL my firend.. how many death do you need to read about to get it through your Thick Skulls!
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Sinbad
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| | 11/13/2007 10:49 AM |
Alert | <b>The initial police investigation said that speed [\b]
Straight off the cover story! Speed Kills
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Sinbad
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| | 11/13/2007 11:05 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 11/12/2007 9:13 PM
I'm curious to find out what speed Sinbad went on the way home for the segment between Casa Blanca and Maricopa.</div>
65 to 55 to 45... In retrospec.
To much traffic to go 75 mph.
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