Jason
Posts:3377
 | | 11/06/2007 8:17 PM |
 Alert | I see you failed Basic Physics. If I hit you at 90 and you are going 65... Your butt is going to ROLL. Follow me for a second Jason. MOMENTEUM (or how ever you spell it. More than likey... you are going to end up like the cop in the jeep and the poor soul that he took out. I hit you, your SPEED carries you out of control and BAM.. you are done my friend....DONE!!!!
I see I wasn't clear enough. Ahem, if I'm going 90 and you're going 65, and I hit you dead center in your rear-bumper, you will not automatically roll. If you freak out, yes, then you'll roll. Any other situation and you would need a simulator to determine if the car will roll. Any basic physics student will tell you that, Sinbad. The physics are too complicated and vehicle dependent. You could roll if you were going 25 and I hit you going 50. It's all a gamble and risk management game out there.
It all comes down to this Sinbad: There is nothing inherently unsafe about 75 and 80 MPH, because your own coveted speed limit signs say it is safe in comparable road conditions.
Yep, better lower the limit to 35. Come on, you're going to have some warning. | |
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Jason
Posts:3377
| | 11/06/2007 8:33 PM |
Alert | Part of the reason that you will not automatically roll is that the control wheels for the vehicle are not being lifted off the ground. You still have control and as long as you were not hit at too great of an angle and you do not panic, you will not roll, or skid out of control with only a 25 MPH difference in speed.
What I find rather strange are all the comments I've seen from people saying that 347 is too "dangerous" so they choose to go to Casa Grande via the Casa Grande Maricopa Highway. That is a two lane highway where people almost never do the speed limit. A head on collision between you and a driver going even the speed limit of 50 MPH will be like smashing into a wall at 100 MPH. That is far more likely to kill you than being rear-ended on 347, where you have a chance at maintaining control over your vehicle. You can also anticipate aggressive drivers and give them room. Not so on the CG/M Highway. | |
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sdmphx777
Posts:0
| | 11/08/2007 12:57 PM |
Alert | Caveman, if the highway patrol isn't patrolling highways, what are they doing? And why are you making excuses for them? Isn't that their job?
My whole point is if you don't enforce the law it won't be followed...end of story. | | | |
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Sinbad
Posts:3018
| | 11/08/2007 1:08 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 11/06/2007 8:33 PM
Part of the reason that you will not automatically roll is that the control wheels for the vehicle are not being lifted off the ground. You still have control and as long as you were not hit at too great of an angle and you do not panic, you will not roll, or skid out of control with only a 25 MPH difference in speed.
What I find rather strange are all the comments I've seen from people saying that 347 is too "dangerous" so they choose to go to Casa Grande via the Casa Grande Maricopa Highway. That is a two lane highway where people almost never do the speed limit. A head on collision between you and a driver going even the speed limit of 50 MPH will be like smashing into a wall at 100 MPH. That is far more likely to kill you than being rear-ended on 347, where you have a chance at maintaining control over your vehicle. You can also anticipate aggressive drivers and give them room. Not so on the CG/M Highway.</div>
***nominates Jason for the Crash test dummy***
OK.. lets go to the VW proving grounds and test that out. | |
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GilaGuy
Posts:789
| | 11/08/2007 1:43 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 11/06/2007 8:33 PM
What I find rather strange are all the comments I've seen from people saying that 347 is too "dangerous" so they choose to go to Casa Grande via the Casa Grande Maricopa Highway. That is a two lane highway where people almost never do the speed limit. A head on collision between you and a driver going even the speed limit of 50 MPH will be like smashing into a wall at 100 MPH. That is far more likely to kill you than being rear-ended on 347, where you have a chance at maintaining control over your vehicle. You can also anticipate aggressive drivers and give them room. Not so on the CG/M Highway.</div>
The difference between the two is in volume. If all things were equal, two-lane undivided highways would be more dangerous than four-lane divided highways. But if you're going to Casa Grande at 2pm on a Wednesday to do some shopping, you'll be lucky to see twenty cars on your way down there until you hit town.
I don't buy the wild rhetoric about 347 any more than I buy the notion that MCG Highway is a deathtrap. I realize that is not a notion you are furthering in your post, but it does reek of the same sort of alarmism that we've seen elsewhere. Head-ons are not very common, even on MCG Highway, which has not seen a fatal head-on wreck in ages. | | | |
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Jason
Posts:3377
| | 11/08/2007 1:49 PM |
Alert | I know they're not common, but these are people that are selecting MCG Highway out of emotion. So why doesn't a head-on crash evoke more fear than a rear-end crash that you'll probably walk away from? It's just puzzling.
And yes, statistically you're more likely to die on a two-lane highway than a four lane divided highway.  | |
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Jason
Posts:3377
| | 11/08/2007 1:50 PM |
Alert | OK.. lets go to the VW proving grounds and test that out.
Submit it to Mythbusters! I'd rather see Buster doing that than me. Although I would like to drive on their proving grounds....  | |
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GilaGuy
Posts:789
| | 11/08/2007 2:10 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 11/08/2007 1:49 PM
I know they're not common, but these are people that are selecting MCG Highway out of emotion. So why doesn't a head-on crash evoke more fear than a rear-end crash that you'll probably walk away from? It's just puzzling.
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It is puzzling, alright. I think it's just hysteria, personally. The idea that 347 is some sort of fastlane to Hell has never meshed with fact. The accident rate on 347 is no greater than that on any other highway. My guess is that much of the hysteria is just spillover from the frustration that is created by not having a major alternative route in and out. But that's just a guess. <img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/wink.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Wink' align='absmiddle'> | | | |
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alanf
Posts:1381
| | 11/08/2007 2:49 PM |
Alert | It was funny yesterday on my commute home. I was cruising about 60-65MPH in the slow lane (flowing with traffic...thank you) and there was a lady tail gating me. I gave her the windshield washer treatment and she moved in even closer. She must have gotten to within 1/2 a car length from me (I could not see the head lights in my mirror anymore). I continued with the washer and finally eased (note that key word please...eased) back on the gas to about 55MPH. She whipped out into the fast lane and was flipping me off and screaming at me as she went by. I continued with the flow of traffic and what was on the side of the road in the opposite direction but a car with it's front end smashed in. I hope she saw that and connected the dots.
Oh, and I hit the Smith-Enke signal at the same time as her.
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anewman
Posts:660
| | 11/08/2007 4:33 PM |
Alert | <quote>Posted By alanf on 11/08/2007 2:49 PM
It was funny yesterday on my commute home. I was cruising about 60-65MPH in the slow lane (flowing with traffic...thank you) and there was a lady tail gating me. I gave her the windshield washer treatment and she moved in even closer. She must have gotten to within 1/2 a car length from me (I could not see the head lights in my mirror anymore). I continued with the washer and finally eased (note that key word please...eased) back on the gas to about 55MPH. She whipped out into the fast lane and was flipping me off and screaming at me as she went by. I continued with the flow of traffic and what was on the side of the road in the opposite direction but a car with it's front end smashed in. I hope she saw that and connected the dots.
Oh, and I hit the Smith-Enke signal at the same time as her. <img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/biggrin.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Big Grin' align='absmiddle'>
And no, I never applied my brake pedal jinmar.</quote>
On top of that:
You were a lot less stressed than her
Got a good laugh
AND got better gas mileage
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Grilladawg
Posts:219
| | 11/08/2007 6:10 PM |
Alert | I didn't read or weed through all the rest of the posts, but I have to say one thing.....
I used to be one of those speeders going 80 on 347 thinking that I could get to work faster or what not.
Well, up until a few days ago.....I decided to go the speed limit if not 5 over at most, I got to work maybe the same time or a few minutes later...big whoopdy doo.
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sdmphx777
Posts:0
| | 11/08/2007 8:09 PM |
Alert | Another funny thing like that happened to me the other day. There was a wreck at the usual spot at 347/Casino Rd. intersection. All the traffic had to merge right and the truck next to me would not let me over. I couldn't get over and the driver nearly crushed me between their truck and the police car parked at the accident.
The crazy part was once I got over, I passed the person about 1/4 mile down the road. They were doing about 45mph. I can't believe some people are that rude that they wouldn't let me over just to be rude. I'm ashamed to even live in the same area as these jerks. | | | |
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Jason
Posts:3377
| | 11/08/2007 8:23 PM |
Alert | I couldn't get over and the driver nearly crushed me between their truck and the police car parked at the accident.
Preface: The other guy was rude.
OK, now that is out of the way, hopefully my post is taken for what it is and not an attempt to blame. In traffic in AZ, when you are required to merge with other traffic, it is treated as a yield. He didn't nearly crush you into a police car. | |
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sysadmin
Posts:115
| | 11/08/2007 9:07 PM |
Alert | | Two lanes are more dangerous then 4 lanes. Lets do a comparison of 347 and Maricopa/Casa Grande highway. Since DOT has started work on 347 there has been on the average 3 accidents a week with about 1 death per week. In the same time frame there has been 0 accidents and no deaths on Maricopa/Casa Grande Highway. So which route is safer? | | | |
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sysadmin
Posts:115
| | 11/08/2007 9:07 PM |
Alert | | Two lanes are more dangerous then 4 lanes. Lets do a comparison of 347 and Maricopa/Casa Grande highway. Since DOT has started work on 347 there has been on the average 3 accidents a week with about 1 death per week. In the same time frame there has been 0 accidents and no deaths on Maricopa/Casa Grande Highway. So which route is safer? | | | |
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Jason
Posts:3377
| | 11/08/2007 9:36 PM |
Alert | | Where are you getting your data? How many of the accidents have been directly related to construction work (I'm getting at correlation versus causation)? | |
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LittleCopaKid
Posts:5
| | 11/08/2007 9:48 PM |
Alert | | I completley agree with this! And I think its hilarious because it's completley true! | |
Idk what your asking me I just live in Maricopa! | |
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GilaGuy
Posts:789
| | 11/08/2007 10:11 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By sysadmin on 11/08/2007 9:07 PM
Since DOT has started work on 347 there has been on the average 3 accidents a week with about 1 death per week. In the same time frame there has been 0 accidents and no deaths on Maricopa/Casa Grande Highway. So which route is safer?</div>
Your "facts" are completely incorrect. There have not been 18 deaths (one per week) on 347, nor have there been zero accidents on MCG Highway during this period of time. | | | |
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sdmphx777
Posts:0
| | 11/09/2007 8:50 AM |
Alert | | Jason, it has to do with courtesy...Something that I've noticed our town lacks. | | | |
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Jason
Posts:3377
| | 11/09/2007 9:31 AM |
Alert | Posted By sdmphx777 on 11/09/2007 8:50 AM
Jason, it has to do with courtesy...Something that I've noticed our town lacks.
I completely agree, I was just saying that he didn't almost push you into anything. If you can't get a spot in the other lane, you have to stop and wait. Two wrongs don't make a right, you know? | |
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