anewman
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You need to add this.
Steps the city has taken to improve traffic = None
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Except city doesn't have any control over 347 until a few hundred yards before Rancho El Dorado. at this point the road widens an additional lane.
There is more they can do within the city limits but several people continue to complain about any attmepts to slow traffic, raise taxes, or institute photo radar as ways to pay for improvements.
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Jason
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| | 11/06/2007 10:41 AM |
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You need to add this.
Steps the city has taken to improve traffic = None
Except city doesn't have any control over 347 until a few hundred yards before Rancho El Dorado. at this point the road widens an additional lane.
The city doesn't have any control over 347, even the part of it in the city. | |
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caveman
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| | 11/06/2007 10:43 AM |
Alert | | With the high property taxes we pay we should see more than we are getting. The city could put pressure on the State government to push for expansion of the 347. How about chipping in some of the money to build it? If we can afford to pave a temporary parking lot for 500k we can be doing something far more productive. We could also just do a simple job of painting in some extra turn lanes around the city. Smith Enke already has the space for an extra turn lane off the 347 but it is painted out right now. If this town was serious about fixing traffic they could do something. | | | |
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anewman
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| | 11/06/2007 10:57 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By caveman on 11/06/2007 10:43 AM
With the high property taxes we pay we should see more than we are getting. The city could put pressure on the State government to push for expansion of the 347. How about chipping in some of the money to build it? If we can afford to pave a temporary parking lot for 500k we can be doing something far more productive. We could also just do a simple job of painting in some extra turn lanes around the city. Smith Enke already has the space for an extra turn lane off the 347 but it is painted out right now. If this town was serious about fixing traffic they could do something.</div>
According to Jason's post the City wouldn't have control of the turn lane since it is part of the 347.
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Jason
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| | 11/06/2007 11:03 AM |
Alert | I've asked Brent Billingsley about it and he said that they don't have control over it, ADOT does. I asked ADOT about the timing and an extra lane and they said:
ADOT has been meeting with representatives of the local jurisdictions regarding this signal, and other traffic issues in this area.
While we are aware that the timing of this light has been the cause of several backups, we are continually working to set the light to an optimal timing sequence.
Which is code word for either no money or no plans. | |
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Jason
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| | 11/06/2007 11:05 AM |
Alert | | Oh and it requires a little more than paint. The light would have to be changed so that it is left turn on green arrow only (I don't think our drivers could handle dual-lefts on a green light), so an engineer would have to completely reprogram the light timing. | |
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Sinbad
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| | 11/06/2007 11:25 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 11/05/2007 2:20 PM
Speeds on the Autobahn <i>average</i> 85-100 MPH and it is not uncommon to see cars going 130+ MPH. Speed should be the least of people's concerns on 347.</div>
You know what Jason... Speeding is a Killer.. I am going to have to call you on this one.
Everyone should be worried about SPEEDING. People aren't Race car drivers and the 347 isn't NASCAR!. Why don't you go pull up some status on this like you do everything else. Most accidents are because some one TOOK THAT CHANCE. The chance that they could swing in front of another car and Sqeeze between another.
If not speeding, What should people be worried about? Muti-tasking is the other problem on the 347...No one is paying attention. From the guy reading his notes for a meeting, to the lady that could have awoke 10 mins earlier to do her make-up!
come on Jason.. you're smarter than that....!!!
So.. I vote causes are:
Speeding
Chance
and Muti-tasking!
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Sinbad
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| | 11/06/2007 11:26 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By anewman on 11/06/2007 7:58 AM
Posts complaining about drivers driving too slow on 347 = Hundreds
Posts complaining about drivers driving like idiots on 347 = Hundreds
Posts citing laws or regulations from other states, countries, or BS websites = Hundreds
Actual improvements to how people drive on the 347 = NONE
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Jason
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| | 11/06/2007 12:59 PM |
Alert | You know what Jason... Speeding is a Killer.. I am going to have to call you on this one.
Speeding is not a killer. Going too fast for conditions is. If you're in the right lane going 65 and I'm approaching in the left lane, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you cut me off, I might hit you and it isn't speeding that is at fault.
We have so many distracted drivers and drivers that don't know what they're doing that you should be more worried when traffic is packed in at the speed limit. Close quarters are likely to cause horrific multi-vehicle accidents.
Speeding + some other idiocy = bad accidents
Not speeding + some other idiocy = still, bad accidents.
Everyone should be worried about SPEEDING. People aren't Race car drivers and the 347 isn't NASCAR!.
Strawman. I expected better from you. 80 is not even close to Nascar.
Why don't you go pull up some status on this like you do everything else.
I keep saying that I have! Most accidents occur below highway speeds. You're far more likely to get into an accident on city streets than you are with the cars going 10-15 MPH faster than you.
Most accidents are because some one TOOK THAT CHANCE. The chance that they could swing in front of another car and Sqeeze between another.
That has nothing to do with speeding. I see people doing this at and below the speed limit. Quit confusing issues please.
If not speeding, What should people be worried about? Muti-tasking is the other problem on the 347...No one is paying attention. From the guy reading his notes for a meeting, to the lady that could have awoke 10 mins earlier to do her make-up!
There you go! You are far more likely to be hit by someone that isn't paying attention. You think that car with a driver paying attention going by 15 MPH faster than you is suddenly going to swerve into your lane because they're going 15 MPH faster? No, the people that don't know what they are doing are the ones who are going to hit you.
come on Jason.. you're smarter than that....!!!
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anewman
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| | 11/06/2007 1:10 PM |
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You know what Jason... Speeding is a Killer.. I am going to have to call you on this one.
come on Jason.. you're smarter than that....!!!
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I agree with both these statements.
Simple physics will tell you that speed kills.
2500 lb vehicle traveling at 80 mph does more damage than the same vehicle traveling at 65 mph.
Couple simple facts:
Mass + Speed = Force increase either mass or speed and the force increases
Stopping distance is increased the faster the speed as well.
National Highway Safety Standards are not tested at 80 mph.
So.... with your family in the car do you want to:
Roll off the road at 65 mph or 80 mph?
Get T-boned by someone doing 65 mph or 80 mph?
Get rearended at 15 mph discrepency or 30 mph?
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Jason
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| | 11/06/2007 1:11 PM |
Alert | I think there is a bit of a difference in commuting hours going on here. Sinbad, you drive during peak commuting hours when traffic doesn't go that fast and is packed enough to prevent going faster, right? When I commute in the morning, there isn't a lot of traffic and most goes 75-80. There is really no danger. Now if you're trying to go 80 when traffic is going 65, then yes, I agree, the speeder is a concern.  | |
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Jason
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| | 11/06/2007 1:19 PM |
Alert | 2500 lb vehicle traveling at 80 mph does more damage than the same vehicle traveling at 65 mph.
A 2500 lb vehicle traveling at 65 MPH does more damage than the same vehicle traveling at 40 MPH. So why isn't the speed limit 40 MPH?
Me, I won't be rolling off the road. Nor will I be getting t-boned, since that can't happen when there are no intersections. Come on! | |
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Jason
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| | 11/06/2007 1:22 PM |
Alert | Clarification: I'm adding to my previous post, but if I edit, it will destroy the formatting.
Yes, there are intersections, but I'm not a mindless idiot that goes the same speed all the way down the highway. I don't need to go one low speed because there are a few intersections. That's why your car as an accelerator and a brake. | |
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anewman
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| | 11/06/2007 1:28 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 11/06/2007 1:19 PM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>2500 lb vehicle traveling at 80 mph does more damage than the same vehicle traveling at 65 mph. </div>
A 2500 lb vehicle traveling at 65 MPH does more damage than the same vehicle traveling at 40 MPH. So why isn't the speed limit 40 MPH?
Me, I won't be rolling off the road. Nor will I be getting t-boned, since that <i>can't happen</i> when there are no intersections. Come on!</div>
Speed limit isn't 40 mph because the conditions allow for a higher speed limit. Prudent conditions - remember.
Most of the accidents that have caused the large back ups have happened at the intersections along the 347.
There are 5 intersections or roads that intersect with the 347 between Maricopa and I-10.
Casa Blanca Rd.
Dirt Road E. side of 347 across from M mtn. (goes into Reservation community)
Rinker entrance
Riggs Rd.
Firebird Raceway and Casino
2 of them even have stop lights Jason!
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alanf
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anewman
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Alert | These quotes don't work worth crap!!
No one is calling you an idiot- but even you have seen that these drivers exist. Since it seems that you drive when there is less traffic on the road than the majority of the community you may not see how often these events occur.
My schedule varies so there are times that I am driving to Phoenix at 4:30 am and others where I am driving in to Phoenix at 7:00 am.
I have your frustrations at 4:30 am and everyone elses when driving at 7:00 am.
After 6:30 am the prudent speed is 65 not 80. Too much traffic.
As far as speeding though:
You are smart enough to know that in a traffic accident the severity of the crash increases as the rate of speed is increased.
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alanf
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| | 11/06/2007 1:36 PM |
Alert | Some interesting statistics on speeding from the Insurance Institue for Highway Safety. I won't go into quotes, just meander through the information. Very informative.
Speed Stats
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caveman
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| | 11/06/2007 1:41 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By anewman on 11/06/2007 1:28 PM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 11/06/2007 1:19 PM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>2500 lb vehicle traveling at 80 mph does more damage than the same vehicle traveling at 65 mph. </div>
A 2500 lb vehicle traveling at 65 MPH does more damage than the same vehicle traveling at 40 MPH. So why isn't the speed limit 40 MPH?
Me, I won't be rolling off the road. Nor will I be getting t-boned, since that <i>can't happen</i> when there are no intersections. Come on!</div>
Speed limit isn't 40 mph because the conditions allow for a higher speed limit. Prudent conditions - remember.
Most of the accidents that have caused the large back ups have happened at the intersections along the 347.
There are 5 intersections or roads that intersect with the 347 between Maricopa and I-10.
Casa Blanca Rd.
Dirt Road E. side of 347 across from M mtn. (goes into Reservation community)
Rinker entrance
Riggs Rd.
Firebird Raceway and Casino
2 of them even have stop lights Jason!
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Sounds like it is time to turn the 347 into a true highway. One with overpasses and on/off ramps. No matter how you look at it we have an insufficient roadway for the amount of traffic.
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caveman
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| | 11/06/2007 1:42 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By anewman on 11/06/2007 1:36 PM
After 6:30 am the prudent speed is 65 not 80. Too much traffic.
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You can hit 65 at 6:30am? Are you driving on the 347? The 347 is a parking lot by that time. | | | |
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anewman
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| | 11/06/2007 1:56 PM |
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Sounds like it is time to turn the 347 into a true highway. One with overpasses and on/off ramps. No matter how you look at it we have an insufficient roadway for the amount of traffic.
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I agree with this. Problem is Arizona is behind the curve on road development and funding for it.
In Yavapai county a loop road is being put in to move traffic from Dewey/Hwy 69 to the Prescott airport area Hwy 89- without going through Prescott Valley and Prescott. Currently there are only 2 stop lights along the 20 mile road (overpasses aren't completed yet). The road improvements in that area have been successfull from ranchers donating land and a road construction company offering a great price as long as the road had overpasses and a 65 mph speed limit.
347 should be done the same way and eventually will- just takes money.... and in Arizona- a lot of time!
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