caveman
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 | | 10/24/2007 10:56 AM |
 Alert | | Over time I have noticed that driving with rush hour traffic I see more and more blatant traffic violations happening. I am not talking about speeding because you can't even hit the speed limit and the 347 is a parking lot whenever there is a light. I have been seeing more people essentially make their own turning lane. When going from Smith Enke to the 347 I see drivers turning when they are not in the turning lane. I also see drivers turn to get on the 10 when they are in the middle lane instead of the left lane. I don't see these things happen at any other time of day. I can only attribute this to frustration over the traffic. Many here say "leave a little earlier" but that is no solution to the traffic problems we havee. I have heard (I don't know for sure) that there will be another turn lane built next year to get on the 10 which is desperately needed. I wish they would allow you to turn in 2 lanes on Smith Enke as it would help clear up rush hour traffic in that area. I know that people have doubts that we can come to an agreement with Gila river about putting in 3 lanes on the 347 but if this town is going to grow this is a must. This town needs to get serious about its traffic problems if it intends to grow and attract business, this is by far our biggest problem. When will the city realize this and try to find some real solutions? I know the 347 is much harder to make happen but for f#$% sake at least do something to fix traffic in your own town. I am not sure if the light at Honeycutt is even done. What will it take to get some infrastructure built here? | | | |
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Sinbad
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| | 10/24/2007 11:05 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By caveman on 10/24/2007 10:56 AM
I wish they would allow you to turn in 2 lanes on Smith Enke as it would help clear up rush hour traffic in that area. quote]
This my friend is not the answer for Smith Enke. I have witnessed this first hand and all it does is clogg the intersection. People are trying to turn left on the east bound Smith Enke and can't cause some Foul has turn right from a NO TURN zone and clogged the far left lane on the 347.
I will refer you to my previous post about this subject and you can see the crap for your self.
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Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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Sinbad
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| | 10/24/2007 11:09 AM |
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Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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Jason
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| | 10/24/2007 11:58 AM |
Alert | This my friend is not the answer for Smith Enke. I have witnessed this first hand and all it does is clogg the intersection. People are trying to turn left on the east bound Smith Enke and can't cause some Foul has turn right from a NO TURN zone and clogged the far left lane on the 347.
That's because ADOT, in its infinite wisdom, decided we needed a huge median instead of a third lane going northbound. | |
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Jason
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| | 10/24/2007 12:07 PM |
Alert | I have heard (I don't know for sure) that there will be another turn lane built next year to get on the 10 which is desperately needed.
That turn lane is part of the Maricopa side of the 347 repaving project. Now that they've finished the repaving (save the rubberizing that is supposed to happen next year) they should be starting on the turn lane any day now. | |
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cbjlovenest
Posts:105
| | 10/24/2007 4:33 PM |
Alert | If there is not a lane there currently (347 and Smith), and one is supposed to be there, why do we have to wait for lane lines to act like it would help everyone to get moving? Is our society so lame that we cant decide that its something that needs to be improved without waiting for big brother to come and paint the lines on there? Are we all so desperate to be told what to do, to stay in the lines, that we cant just work together there when there is a green light and get going, two lanes turning, lines or no lines?
Maybe im just crazy I guess....
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Jason
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| | 10/24/2007 8:39 PM |
Alert | If there is not a lane there currently (347 and Smith), and one is supposed to be there, why do we have to wait for lane lines to act like it would help everyone to get moving? Is our society so lame that we cant decide that its something that needs to be improved without waiting for big brother to come and paint the lines on there? Are we all so desperate to be told what to do, to stay in the lines, that we cant just work together there when there is a green light and get going, two lanes turning, lines or no lines?
Maybe im just crazy I guess....
There is a turn lane there currently. It is not expected for someone to turn right from a straight only lane, especially into lanes reserved for other turning lanes. "Waiting for big brother" is much better than anarchy. Have you seen the traffic in other countries where people do whatever they want to? I mean, why wait for "big brother" to paint the lines on 347, just use the shoulder as a through lane!  | |
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cbjlovenest
Posts:105
| | 10/25/2007 9:53 AM |
Alert | You mention it so I have to reply...I have seen that youtube video of india or malasia where everyone is going in like five lanes, everyone is turning, making lefts in front of other people and it all is happening without anyone stopping or any lights. Its quite amazing (and scarry).
If this is not the case, excuse my misconception but what I was saying is that its my understanding a SECOND turn lane is supposed to be entered there so that two lanes can be making a right from Smith Enke on to the 347. That should be the case even if its not being planned anyways.
Which takes me to the next point, its not expected because of all the sheep on the road that cant make a turn unless they have a sign to tell them to. That lane isnt reserved for any other turn lane except when the opposite lane has a green arrow, on red you should feel free to have both lanes turn there.
The lanes lines I am talking about are after you transition to the 10 Westbound, as you head up you notice that the asphalt stretches over to the left, doesnt it seem that should be opened up alread?
Anarchy would be great btw, then we could go mad max style, and everyone would see the smoldering remains of those that couldnt cut it on their way home each night, bet traffic would be flowing after that. hehehe | | | |
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Jason
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| | 10/25/2007 10:29 AM |
Alert | If this is not the case, excuse my misconception but what I was saying is that its my understanding a SECOND turn lane is supposed to be entered there so that two lanes can be making a right from Smith Enke on to the 347. That should be the case even if its not being planned anyways.
Which takes me to the next point, its not expected because of all the sheep on the road that cant make a turn unless they have a sign to tell them to.
It's not expected because multi-turn-lane intersections can only happen when authorized by signage. This is expected because traffic turning right has the legal right to select any lane it pleases. If I turn right at Smith-Enke I can legally select the far left lane if I so choose. This has nothing to do with sheep, but with intent. Drivers don't know what to expect unless you follow fairly closely within the rules. | |
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Sinbad
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| | 10/25/2007 11:51 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By cbjlovenest on 10/24/2007 4:33 PM
If there is not a lane there currently (347 and Smith), and one is supposed to be there, why do we have to wait for lane lines to act like it would help everyone to get moving? Is our society so lame that we cant decide that its something that needs to be improved without waiting for big brother to come and paint the lines on there? Are we all so desperate to be told what to do, to stay in the lines, that we cant just work together there when there is a green light and get going, two lanes turning, lines or no lines?
Maybe im just crazy I guess....
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You're CRAZY! You must be one of the people that do it!
One word...LAWSUIT.
If I get hit cause someone wants to turn right from a non turn lane... Pain and suffering baby.... Pain and Suffering!!!! I don't care if it is a fender bender...it's going to really hurt me.."BAD".
Sue sue sue sue sue!!!!
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Bob J
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| | 10/26/2007 8:56 AM |
Alert | | Has anyone noticed that the paving job on 347, both in the Pinal County Section, and the Maricopa County Section is more like what you would see in a third world country. It's lousy, the worst paving job I have seen anywhere, and rubberizing will not help. The striping is uneven, the lanes are uneven, the lanes not the same height, you either go up or down when changing from one lane to the other. It's like the road crews are sent here to practice before going on to pave more important roads. | | | |
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Fritzydoodle
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| | 10/26/2007 10:55 AM |
Alert | If I get hit cause someone wants to turn right from a non turn lane... Pain and suffering baby.... Pain and Suffering!!!! I don't care if it is a fender bender...it's going to really hurt me.."BAD".
Sue sue sue sue sue!!!!
Unfortunately, that only works if you are lucky enough to get him by someone carrying insurance! Or adequate insurance. I remember reading an article somewhere that 30-40% of Arizona drivers are uninsured or under-insured. Make sure you carry adequate coverage to compensate for them! | |
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AzSandSlinger
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| | 10/27/2007 2:49 PM |
Alert | This is expected because traffic turning right has the legal right to select any lane it pleases.
I'd have to disagree with you there..
28-751. Required position and method of turning
The driver of a vehicle intending to turn shall do so as follows:
1. Right turns. Both the approach for a right turn and a right turn shall be made as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway.
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Jason
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| | 10/27/2007 6:42 PM |
Alert | It could go either way I guess, depending on the judge. See the text for left turns:
2. Left turns. The driver of a vehicle intending to turn left shall approach the turn in the extreme left-hand lane lawfully available to traffic moving in the direction of travel of the vehicle. If practicable the driver shall make the left turn from the left of the center of the intersection and shall make the turn to the left lane immediately available for the driver's direction of traffic.
It tells you to select the left most lane, the right turn doesn't say that. You might be right. | |
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Jason
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| | 10/27/2007 6:44 PM |
Alert | | The reason I went with that opinion is that I have seen several intersections where the dotted lines through the intersection tell the left-most right turn lane to select the far left lane and then the other lane could select either the middle lane or the right lane. The Elliot Rd exit from I-10 west is an example of this. | |
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AzSandSlinger
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| | 10/27/2007 8:02 PM |
Alert | I-10/Elliot is different because there is no opposing traffic... you see this exception at a lot of off-ramps... and most of the time (when ADOT keeps up with the markings), the turn lanes are clearly marked for doing this... the 101/Elliot is another example...
People making right turns from the the "through" lane at the Smith-Enke/347 intersection are just retarded, selfish, and unsafe... a prime example of the "me, me, me" driving mentality... but within the city limits... funny thing is.. I usually pass these idiots while I'm cruising in the RH lane at 65-75mph...
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Jason
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| | 10/28/2007 12:46 PM |
Alert | That makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.
Make sure you bookmark this page, I agreed with you. | |
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navygurl
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| | 10/31/2007 5:37 AM |
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You're CRAZY! You must be one of the people that do it!
One word...LAWSUIT.
Sue sue sue sue sue!!!!
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I agree. You may not collect it all at once, but it could definitly hurt them if they don't have insurance and it has to come out of their own pocket. As long as they stop and don't do a hit and run type deal.
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