grokdesigns
Posts:21
 | | 09/18/2007 8:05 AM |
 Alert | Has anybody else hit this "pothole"? I put it in quotes because it appears to be due to improper milling, rather that wear and tear.
My wife and I hit it on Sunday night. We ended up with a new crack in the windshield due to the force of the impact. We thought that was it, but Monday morning, we saw that her tire was flat, and her rim was bent.
Then, on our drive home yesterday (we were going to pick up a camera to take pictures of the road), we saw not one, not two, but three cars hit this exact same area and pull over to the side of the road with flat tires. After I took picture of the area, I got contact information from 2 of the 3 drivers, the third left before I could talk to them.
You can view pictures here of the road, as well as the damage to our car:
http://www.grokdesigns.com/347damage/
I've contacted AZDOT and Meadow Valley to file a claim.
-Chris
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mikethegoalie
Posts:415
| | 09/18/2007 9:03 AM |
Alert | | Yeah, I've hit that once! I drive a big truck and it didn't really jolt me. From those pictures it doesn't seem that bad. Seems to go up toward the back part.. so you'd think it wouldn't be as bad as it was. I felt it, and my tire has about 800% more sidewall then yours does. I bet it really made a bang on those small tires. I get in the slow lane now when I come up to that area.. | | | |
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Sinbad
Posts:3019
| | 09/18/2007 9:42 AM |
Alert | | PGTW | |
Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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Sinbad
Posts:3019
| | 09/18/2007 9:42 AM |
Alert | Yet another reason to NOT drive on the Milled side.
I almost hit it once... That is a lot of damage!
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Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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YZRacer
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| | 09/18/2007 9:55 AM |
Alert | not to be a jerk, but just how fast were you going that you couldn't see an obstacle in the road in enough time to either slow down, or move to the side of the lane?
Or maybe it was that you were going to fast, but that you were busy on the phone, deep in coversation, or otherwise destracted from the 1st task, which is to operate your vehicle in a safe fashion.
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Sinbad
Posts:3019
| | 09/18/2007 10:07 AM |
Alert | Nope.... this hole comes at you pretty fast. Even at 65 it's hard to miss.
But then again.. that's only when I am driving...
Let him answer your questions. | |
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grokdesigns
Posts:21
| | 09/18/2007 10:17 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By YZRacer on 09/18/2007 9:55 AM
not to be a jerk, but just how fast were you going that you couldn't see an obstacle in the road in enough time to either slow down, or move to the side of the lane?
Or maybe it was that you were going to fast, but that you were busy on the phone, deep in coversation, or otherwise destracted from the 1st task, which is to operate your vehicle in a safe fashion.
why should anyone be responsible for the damage, other than yourself?</div>
It's right as you come over the bridge that's just south of Casa Blanca, it's almost impossible to see unless you're looking for it.
Obviously from the 3 people I saw yesterday, and the 1 I just got a message from on this forum, it's not some huge obstacle that is apparent.
And Meadow Valley should be responsible because, if you actually look at the pictures, you can tell that they made a mistake milling that section of the road, and they didn't fix it.
P.S. No, my wife wasn't going too fast, talking on the phone, or talking to a passenger. You know what happens when you assume... | | | |
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kaekae84
Posts:17
| | 09/18/2007 10:28 AM |
Alert | | I also have hit it. It was at dusk and I didn't see it. Luckily, my car didn't get hurt. But it sure made a very loud noise! | | | |
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Lees2
Posts:586
| | 09/18/2007 10:30 AM |
Alert | | It's right after a bridge and it looks like the other milled part of the road and scared the living daylights out of me. It doesn't look as bad as it feels! Now I know to avoid it. | |
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CaliGurl~n~Copa
Posts:293
| | 09/18/2007 10:34 AM |
Alert | | Okay, We have hit this pothole also and it is not really very visible until you are either right in front of it, and by that time you cannot avoid it because there is usually another car in the right lane. It doesn't look like it would cause damage, but obviously it does! Now I need to go check out my car too. Driving fast, no, not more than anyone else drives in the milled lane. As far as avoiding the milled lane all together, uhm, no thanks. I would like to get home/work and not be on a one lane highway for 24 miles with all of the people who don't know how to keep a steady speed! | |
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CrownNCoke
Posts:810
| | 09/18/2007 10:55 AM |
Alert | You will never get reimbursed just wont happen anyhow have fun trying | |
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alanf
Posts:1400
| | 09/18/2007 11:08 AM |
Alert | | I agree that it will be tough getting reimbursed. Especially for vehicles that use "rubber band" tires like yours. Now, if you had a witness for when you hit it.... maybe. But I'd say that the people you help will have a better chance than you. | | | |
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LIVIPR05
Posts:11
| | 09/18/2007 11:58 AM |
Alert | | When you buy low profile tires, you give up ride quality and that extra protection your tire provides. Get over it and good luck getting reimbursed for it. | | | |
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sarahc
Posts:631
| | 09/18/2007 12:42 PM |
Alert | I have hit this in my company car (2007 Honda Civic) and it scared me! The car made a hard thud and I thought ohhhh great I just wrecked my car... I had to pull in to the CF neighborhood to stop and check out my tires as well as my front bumper as it sounded like that scrapped as well....
Thankfully nothing happened to the car. I was not speeding (one ticket in this car and I loose my job) and I was not on the phone....
I don’t think I even saw it before I hit it!
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vinny
Posts:599
| | 09/18/2007 1:17 PM |
Alert | I doubt you'll get any money.
those that lived in cold climates know how aweful the potholes become during the winter. the roads in PA used to make the milled lane of 347 look new. i bought a lot of tires, tie rods and rims from finding a pot hole by braille.
the deal there was use the roads at your own risk. if the gov't pays for all the damage to cars claimed to caused be by the road there would be no money left in the budget to fix the roads. | |
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grokdesigns
Posts:21
| | 09/18/2007 1:39 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By LIVIPR05 on 09/18/2007 11:58 AM
When you buy low profile tires, you give up ride quality and that extra protection your tire provides.quote]
I can accept the fact that without low profile tires, the rim probably wouldn't have been damaged. The fact still remains that this road defect is still serious enough to blow a passenger car tire, damage the wheel well or shocks, or crack a windshield.
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By vinny on 09/18/2007 1:17 PM
the deal there was use the roads at your own risk. if the gov't pays for all the damage to cars claimed to caused be by the road there would be no money left in the budget to fix the roads. </div>
That I can understand, the fact of the matter is that this defect is not a pothole. It is poor workmanship and failure to repair it by Meadow Valley Corp.
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MommaToni
Posts:1045
| | 09/18/2007 1:50 PM |
Alert | Isn't it a 45 speed limit through the construction...
haha I always drive on the right so have been fortunate enough not to hit it. | |
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vinny
Posts:599
| | 09/18/2007 2:01 PM |
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That I can understand, the fact of the matter is that this defect is not a pothole. It is poor workmanship and failure to repair it by Meadow Valley Corp.
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but are you qualified to make the decision that it is indeed a workmanship problem? isn't it possible that the material that was ground away in that spot could have caused the new pavement to fail prematurely? perhaps that material needed to be removed. I'm not a civil engineer so i can not make that determination, are you?
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grokdesigns
Posts:21
| | 09/18/2007 2:05 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By vinny on 09/18/2007 2:01 PM
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That I can understand, the fact of the matter is that this defect is not a pothole. It is poor workmanship and failure to repair it by Meadow Valley Corp.
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but are you qualified to make the decision that it is indeed a workmanship problem? isn't it possible that the material that was ground away in that spot could have caused the new pavement to fail prematurely? perhaps that material needed to be removed. I'm not a civil engineer so i can not make that determination, are you?
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If they needed to grind it that far down, they should have ground the surrounding area so that it wasn't so uneven. Alternately, they could have applied a temporary fix to prevent it from being hazardous to drivers. | | | |
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maricopacabana
Posts:331
| | 09/18/2007 2:11 PM |
Alert | | The irony is the pot hole will probably be gone today tommorrow at the latest. The contractors defense will probably be you drive on the milled portion at your own risk, there is no implied warranty for the road condition during the resurfacing. I can't see the need to use the milled lane with a smooth paved lane all the way into town. Eve if it is a little slower it is less wear and tear on my tires. | | | |
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