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Jason
Posts:3378
 | | 09/11/2007 8:27 PM |
 Alert | Posted By GilaGuy on 09/11/2007 8:15 PM Posted By Lano on 09/11/2007 5:21 PM
Obviously people do not, and will not follow these rules. Do you believe that the addition of more police officers on the sides of the highway will cause people to learn how to drive, and follow these rules?
I don't think it will. All the time I see people tailgating, weaving, changing lanes without signals, and more all around cops. That's why I get the feeling that cops are given a speeder quota and that's why people get away with all these things. The public has a misconception that speeding is the worst thing you can possibly do behind the wheel (behind DUI that is), and that's how we end up with cops that don't do anything with packs of traffic tailgating at 65 MPH. As long as they're going the speed limit... | |
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| | Lano
Posts:275
| | 09/11/2007 8:34 PM |
Alert | | Absolutely........everyone alters their crazy driving habits when they see a cop on the side of the road. | | | |
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| | Lano
Posts:275
| | 09/11/2007 8:39 PM |
Alert | | I remember that after a couple of deaths on Pecos, they went nuts with enforcement. It absolutely changed peoples driving habits. | | | |
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| | GilaGuy
Posts:789
| | 09/11/2007 9:07 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Lano on 09/11/2007 8:34 PM
Absolutely........everyone alters their crazy driving habits when they see a cop on the side of the road. </div>
Some people probably do. And some people slam on their brakes, change lanes, freak out, and act the fool when they see an officer. Not to mention those who feel compelled to slow to 45 miles per hour and "lookie-loo" at the traffic stop as they go by. My estimation is that there's really no net gain from all of it.
The problem is that there will always be ignorant drivers out there, people who misjudge distances, people who misread others' intentions, people who don't look before they turn, etc. Enforcement of existing traffic laws is a good thing, but it cannot prevent mistakes, and it cannot cure ignorance. The only answer is to drive defensively, be on the lookout, and enjoy the ride. : ) | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 09/11/2007 9:14 PM |
Alert | What happened is that a few wealthy individuals threatened to sue the City of Phoenix and ADOT for negligent road design. There was absolutely nothing poor about the design of Pecos, just a bunch of impatient drivers that turned before it was their turn.
Edit: While I know one of them was someone who ran a red light, drivers often forget that green doesn't mean go. That's all. <img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/smile.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Smile' align='absmiddle'> | |
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| | Krzy
Posts:64
| | 09/11/2007 10:18 PM |
Alert | You know, I think I have a decent solution that doesn't require law enforcement activity to change on 347.
They can install speed cameras at a couple points along the road. I know speed cameras do nothing to improve safety, they do however increase revenue and after 1 or 2 tickets, I'll probably slow down. It's a completely passive solution, increases revenue for .. someone.
Seriously, they might work and would help keep 'rubber-necking' to a minimum. The proceeds could go to improving road conditions, an overpass/underpass at Riggs perhaps; even retiming the lights would help? I think someone even asked for port-a-potty's, maybe even some driving lessons for those doing the posted speed limit in the passing lane.
Remember, there's no shame in pulling over to make a phone call or to take a short cat-nap. Anything that impairs your driving could end up killing someone elses children.
By the way, I WILL creep up on your bumper, flash my lights and wave my arms screaming at you if you are going slower than me in the left lane. You are expected to carefully merge into the right lane and stay there until someone in front of you is going slower than you. In turn, as soon as I pass you, I will move carefully into the right lane and stay put until I need to overtake a slower car in the right lane. It's how traffic works smoothly. You can argue all you want, but that really is how traffic flow is most efficient. Remember, 3mph above your speed is still faster than you. | |
When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail."
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|  | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 09/11/2007 10:22 PM |
Alert | They can install speed cameras at a couple points along the road. I know speed cameras do nothing to improve safety, they do however increase revenue and after 1 or 2 tickets, I'll probably slow down. It's a completely passive solution, increases revenue for .. someone.
Oh geez, not with the cameras again! Why do people feel it is OK to take away rights to enforce an artificial limit, which is not the cause of many accidents to begin with? Put the officers out and actually enforce a broad spectrum of laws. That will force people to reform. | |
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| | caveman
Posts:1276
| | 09/12/2007 12:08 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Krzy on 09/11/2007 10:18 PM
You know, I think I have a decent solution that doesn't require law enforcement activity to change on 347.
They can install speed cameras at a couple points along the road. I know speed cameras do nothing to improve safety, they do however increase revenue and after 1 or 2 tickets, I'll probably slow down. It's a completely passive solution, increases revenue for .. someone.
Seriously, they might work and would help keep 'rubber-necking' to a minimum. The proceeds could go to improving road conditions, an overpass/underpass at Riggs perhaps;
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Actually almost 90% of the money from speed cameras goes right back to the company that installs them Redflex Traffic Systems, not the city.
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even retiming the lights would help?
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This is something that needs to be done to improve on rush hour traffic.
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Remember, there's no shame in pulling over to make a phone call or to take a short cat-nap. Anything that impairs your driving could end up killing someone elses children.
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True, but isn't everyones life equally valuable? Is a child life worth more than someone elses?
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By the way, I WILL creep up on your bumper, flash my lights and wave my arms screaming at you if you are going slower than me in the left lane. You are expected to carefully merge into the right lane and stay there until someone in front of you is going slower than you. In turn, as soon as I pass you, I will move carefully into the right lane and stay put until I need to overtake a slower car in the right lane. It's how traffic works smoothly. You can argue all you want, but that really is how traffic flow is most efficient. Remember, 3mph above your speed is still faster than you.</div>
Right on, I applaud you for your good driving. I wish everyone in Maricopa would have this attitude. There are far too many rolling roadblocks that get people angry and make them more aggressive.
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| | Devil Dog
Posts:420
| | 09/12/2007 2:45 AM |
Alert | Look people - I will be driving on the right lane (Finish Lane) going 70 MPH, if you feel the need to pass me up - go right ahead. It's your death.
What's the rush? If you just leave a littile early - so we all can get along! | |
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| | maricopacabana
Posts:356
| | 09/12/2007 7:13 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Krzy on 09/11/2007 10:18 PM
By the way, I WILL creep up on your bumper, flash my lights and wave my arms screaming at you if you are going slower than me in the left lane. You are expected to carefully merge into the right lane and stay there until someone in front of you is going slower than you. In turn, as soon as I pass you, I will move carefully into the right lane and stay put until I need to overtake a slower car in the right lane. It's how traffic works smoothly. You can argue all you want, but that really is how traffic flow is most efficient. Remember, 3mph above your speed is still faster than you.</div>
Driving slower in the left lane in itself is not dangerous, just an inconvenience. It becomes dangerous when people try to force their own agenda and start tailgating. People slam the slower drivers for trying to enforce their agenda yet find no problem making a situation more dangerous. | | | |
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| | August67
Posts:155
| | 09/12/2007 8:26 AM |
Alert | Speed does not cause most accidents but it does make the outcome more catastrophic. Higher speed accidents will cause more deaths.
Moving to the right is the best thing to do if you are not passing slower cars. The problem I see is that most of the stupid driving is when there is a lot of traffic and people start tailgating. Even if your in the left lane and your passing people on the right your never going fast enough for the person behind you. When there is heavy traffic it may take you miles to need to get back in the right lane because you are passing people, but like I said never fast enough for the person behind you.
I will not tailgate the person in front of me so don't ride my butt, when I have passed all the slower cars on the right I will move over, but with the heavy traffic we have it may take a while. | | | |
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| | stephen
Posts:0
| | 09/12/2007 8:59 AM |
Alert | There is a law in Illinois that allows cops to give you a ticket if you are in the left lane and not passing. We could use that here. It may not help curb accidents, but it will calm a few nerves......
Speed is not the cause of accidents on 347, it's stupidity. It's just a shame that people have to die at the expense of other people's stupidity. If somebody stupidity kills themselves, I don't feel so bad. When innocent victims die because of other's stupidity, I get furious because that could be anybody, even the ones that do pay attention.
This is not an issue on 347, this is an issue in life. We focus on 347 as Maricopa residents because it's the only way out of this island. But people die every day, every hour from traffic accidents, almost always caused by stupidity.
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 09/12/2007 9:43 AM |
Alert | Driving slower in the left lane in itself is not dangerous, just an inconvenience.
This is not true. Driving significantly slower or faster than traffic around you automatically increases the danger of the situation. Doing it in the wrong lane adds even more danger. | |
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| | caveman
Posts:1276
| | 09/12/2007 9:57 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 09/12/2007 9:41 AM
<a href="http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0912abrk-17collisions912.html">6 crashes on I-17 and 3 on I-10</a>
We need to close I-17 and I-10, they're deathtraps. <img src='http://www.85239.com/desktopmodules/ntforums/images/emoticons/wink.gif' height='20' width='20' border='0' title='Wink' align='absmiddle'></div>
OMG Jason I think you are right. These highways are far too dangerous to keep open. At least they don't shut the roads down for hours on end when there is an accident on I-17 and I-10. | | | |
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| | Sinbad
Posts:3058
| | 09/12/2007 10:06 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 09/11/2007 1:42 PM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Is a few minutes of your day really worth taking your own life or that of another? </div>
Why are you implying this was a speed issue?</div>
Why not Jason.. Why not...
It seems everytime someone says "SPeed" you jump on the soap box.. lol.
Are you a SPEEDER?
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Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem.
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| | caveman
Posts:1276
| | 09/12/2007 10:18 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Sinbad on 09/12/2007 10:06 AM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 09/11/2007 1:42 PM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Is a few minutes of your day really worth taking your own life or that of another? </div>
Why are you implying this was a speed issue?</div>
Why not Jason.. Why not...
It seems everytime someone says "SPeed" you jump on the soap box.. lol.
Are you a SPEEDER?
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Who cares? This does not change the facts that have been hashed and rehashed and rehashed. Every time there is an accident people jump on here "oh boo hoo we need to do something about speeding". This is not the answer to the traffic problems this town has. People act like these speed limits were given down by god himself when any sensible person could go much faster on these roads. You have a line of sight that is incredible, you don't have wild animals running across the road, and after construction is done you will have a well paved road. As long as there is one good lane and one bad one like now you are going to have an exaggerated number of issues. Lets wait it out and see what happens.
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 09/12/2007 10:23 AM |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 09/12/2007 10:23 AM |
Alert | Posted By Sinbad on 09/12/2007 10:06 AM Posted By Jason on 09/11/2007 1:42 PM Is a few minutes of your day really worth taking your own life or that of another? Why are you implying this was a speed issue? Why not Jason.. Why not... It seems everytime someone says "SPeed" you jump on the soap box.. lol. Are you a SPEEDER? 
Am I a (*gasp*) speeder in the legal sense of the word? Yes. Am I a speeder in the "am I going too fast" sense of the word? No. I jump on the soap box, because so many people have been brainwashed into believing that they are too dumb to determine and appropriate speed, and that what the sign says is the only safe speed. Not only does this result in people going too slow, but for those that go only what the sign says, it results in people going too fast.
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| | sysadmin
Posts:141
| | 09/12/2007 12:02 PM |
Alert | | It sounds like Jason knows more then the trained professionals that set the speed limits. I think what he does not take into account is reaction time and also the distance at a given speed that it takes to stop. He trys to compare 347 with all of the enterence/exit points and the curves in the road to I10 which is pretty much a straight road. Yes speed does come into play with accident like the one yesterday. | | | |
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