Jason
Posts:3378
 | | 08/31/2007 10:16 AM |
 Alert | Whether or not he can get out of a ticket means nothing to the children on that bus!
Oh you're right, no excuses. I would much rather see a ticket stick and him learn a lesson, so they should issue the right one. It would be trivial to get out of a ticket that said he was driving on a shoulder, not so trivial if he got stuck with something for unsafe passing or something like that. Sorry if my post wasn't worded right, not looking for him to get out, just saying he should get hit with something that will stick. | |
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 08/31/2007 10:25 AM |
Alert | However, if there is no line denoting a shoulder, doesn't that mean that the bus is passing vehicles within their lane???
Not exactly:
28-724. Overtaking on the right
A. The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass on the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:
3. On a one-way street or on a roadway on which traffic is restricted to one direction of movement and if the roadway is free from obstructions and of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles.
So what this is saying is that you can pass on the right even without lane markings (this is why traffic exiting RED can be in two separate lines). But this is what makes his passing illegal:
B. The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle on the right only under conditions permitting the movement in safety. The driver shall not make the movement by driving off the pavement or main traveled portion of the roadway.
It's not that he's driving off the main traveled portion, since there is no shoulder markings, but that is passing is clearly unsafe because anyone could pop out at any time, or he could go off an embankment, etc.
Now would it be legal for a regular car to pass? I'm not even going to venture a guess...  | |
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Java Lover
Posts:0
| | 08/31/2007 11:04 AM |
Alert | | Very sad, I witnessed this bus driver cut off traffic again today on the over pass at I-10. I called Kyrene and they said they would talk to him. Later I was gassing up at QT on Warner and saw him drive by, back to the bus barn I'm sure. Hope he straightens up. | | | |
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Coild1
Posts:22
| | 08/31/2007 12:02 PM |
Alert | The driver was only spoken to yesterday and he will recieve no punishment for his actions. This was per his Supervisor that called me. I truly feel sorry for the kids on this bus, especially since this bus is for an Elementary School.
Transportation Supervisor (Bonnie)480-783-4232.
Please call if you continue to see this driver driving like this, apparently yesterdays excuse of sick kids was bought and nothing will happen to him. | | | |
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Bionicbunny
Posts:599
| | 08/31/2007 12:24 PM |
Alert | So Bonnie has no conscience.
For all of you who have seen this happen, write a letter to Bonnie the Transportation Supervisor stating what you saw, include bus # and the date and time you saw it (the driver can then be tracked) and in the letter request that it be put in the drivers personel file. Plus, for good measure cc: the school Principal in case the letter never makes it to the guys file, you still have proof you sent it. Then call the police department and file a complaint. If this guy does get pulled over, the complaints will be listed about him. | | | |
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pissedparent
Posts:285
| | 08/31/2007 8:27 PM |
Alert | | And people wonder why I won't let my kids go to Kyrene. The teachers are perfect and obviously the bus drivers are not either. I'll keep my kids in Maricopa! | | | |
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Sp.ed.Tchr
Posts:142
| | 08/31/2007 9:17 PM |
Alert | My husband and I were beside the bus when it moved over to the shoulder and stopped. (Traffic was not moving steadily - just stop and roll) The kids seemed to be moving around a lot and then several windows went down and kids were sticking their heads out like they were desperate for air. We thought maybe the a/c wasn't working or the bus was having mechanical problems. The bus sat there for a minute or two and then started driving down the shoulder. We thought it would try to merge back in, but it just kept going.
Chances are the district is short on bus drivers and will not fire the driver unless they have a replacement. They can't afford to lose the students due to being unable to bus them because students = $$$.
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nitwit
Posts:95
| | 08/31/2007 9:50 PM |
Alert | | So if the bus driver had 2 sick children on the bus, did he call his supervisors at the bus barn to inform them? Then his supervisors could inform the school and their school nurse they were on their way? Their should be documentation of the radio call. Or was it just impatience of having to wait and keep the kids under control? Something doesn't sound right to me............. | | | |
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bendover
Posts:54
| | 09/01/2007 7:37 AM |
Alert | | I guess I do not understand. Why would kids be going to Kyrene Schools anyway? What is wrong with the schools in Maricopa. Before you say they are not as good then why the hell did you move here? Was it to buy lower priced housing? Yet you spend more money to send your little darlings to a "Better" school. This does not compute. As for bus driving try driving a bus full of kids sometime or just try spending some quality time with a bunch of kids rather than chasing the almighty buck and keeping up with the Jones's. | | | |
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AzSandSlinger
Posts:596
| | 09/01/2007 8:11 AM |
Alert | Why waste the time with middle men?
If I have an issue with my children's school I talk with the front office, once. Then the Superintendent gets a certified letter.
I find this method a whole lot more effective and efficient.
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Urban Cowgirl
Posts:209
| | 09/01/2007 8:44 AM |
Alert | | For the record, my son goes to Milenio in the Kyrene district, he rides bus #14, and I'm VERY inmpressed with the bus driver. He's very strict about them not getting out of their seats, and being safe while he's driving. | |
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Bionicbunny
Posts:599
| | 09/01/2007 9:10 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By bendover on 09/01/2007 7:37 AM
I guess I do not understand. Why would kids be going to Kyrene Schools anyway? What is wrong with the schools in Maricopa. Before you say they are not as good then why the hell did you move here? Was it to buy lower priced housing? Yet you spend more money to send your little darlings to a "Better" school. This does not compute. As for bus driving try driving a bus full of kids sometime or just try spending some quality time with a bunch of kids rather than chasing the almighty buck and keeping up with the Jones's.</div>
Yes, of course it is to buy lower priced housing, it certainly wasn't for the schools. Fortunately, here in AZ we can send our children to any school we want to providing there is room. And there is no extra cost involved if the school of choice is public.
So what don't you understand? What isn't computing for you? | | | |
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bendover
Posts:54
| | 09/02/2007 4:05 PM |
Alert | | Sorry BionicBunny, I did not know it did not cost more to send a kid to another school district. It still does not make any sense why someone would subject their kids to a 3 hour bus ride everyday. To each their own I guess, | | | |
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bendover
Posts:54
| | 09/02/2007 4:06 PM |
Alert | | Sorry BionicBunny, I did not know it did not cost more to send a kid to another school district. It still does not make any sense why someone would subject their kids to a 3 hour bus ride everyday. To each their own I guess, | | | |
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Urban Cowgirl
Posts:209
| | 09/02/2007 4:45 PM |
Alert | | You probably shouldn't speak on topics in which you know nothing about, especially to criticize another. No, it doesn't cost more to go to school there, and no, my son is not on a bus for 3 hours everyday. | |
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socrlvr
Posts:86
| | 09/02/2007 8:35 PM |
Alert | | bendover...if you have read all of the threads on here regarding the schools you would also know that every one of them is overcrowded if you forced an additional 300+ kids to stay in the Maricopa schools it would be way out of control. Maricopa can't get enough teachers and space for the kids currently here. My kids have been going to Kyrene for 2 yrs and have never had a 3 hr bus ride round trip. The buses are not air conditioned so it is possible that the kids were hanging out because it was hot. My children ride two seperate buses and both of my kids recognized how dangerous bus #67 was driving. | | | |
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mallardisme
Posts:590
| | 09/03/2007 1:59 AM |
Alert | The question here is simple:
Children on this bus were placed in harm's way. That is a given. What happened to the bus driver, in the end?
(Yes, some people send their kids to other school districts. That is not relevant to this thread) | |
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bendover
Posts:54
| | 09/03/2007 7:18 AM |
Alert | You are right I was not informed on the "rules" about going to schools outside of the district. I am sorry about that comment. I myself drive to Elliot and I10 daily and spend 1 hour each way on the road. That is unproductive time and I can't imagine doing that without AC.
Both of my daughters are teachers, high school and 3rd grade and they both looked into teaching down here and the pay alone is $5000 less than anywhere else not to mention benefits. The bottom line is that Maricopa was not ready for growth and now they are playing catchup at our expense. | | | |
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