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pom_mom
Posts:2
 | | 08/23/2007 1:06 PM |
 Alert | To the young mother (assumption) who's children were jumping and running around the inside of the truck while you were driving - I pray to God you never have to stop quickly, or your lovely children will go through the front windshield of your truck. Do you think accidents are planned?
You are old enough to understand that you are responsible for these young lives and make decisions for them to keep them free from harm. This includes buckling them up in a safety seat when you are in a moving vehicle. Yes they might scream and fuss about it.. well, such is life.. find ways to amuse them while on the road.. you are not the first parent to go through this.
You are so blessed to have these children in your life, so many others would give anything to be in your place. These little ones are our future, please show them that there are rules that must be obeyed and respected. You are lucky that there was not a police cruiser around, because I so desperately wanted to flag one down to have him stop you.
And if you were not the mother, but the babysitter.. OMG.. If I entrusted my child to you and ANYTHING EVER happened because of your neglect......
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| | YZRacer
Posts:1653
| | 08/24/2007 3:37 PM |
Alert | I work in a pharmacy with a drivethru. I can't tell you how many HUNDREDS of times I have seen cars come through with not a single child in a carseat. I've seen familys of 6+ in small 4 door cars with kids all over the inside, not wearing seatbelts even. It breaks my heart to think about what could happen! These are the people who end up on the news, hysterical because they had no idea "this could happen to them".
You can't leave a hospital with a new baby without a proper carseat. There are many places that will assist famiilies that can't afford them.
I don't understand why people are so careless with their children's safety! My car doesn't move unless every single person is properly secured in a carseat, booster or seatbelt (depending on age and the law). Why isn't this universal?
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| | demonica
Posts:850
| | 08/27/2007 12:04 AM |
Alert | | this is a total no brainer. unfortunately, it seems there are a lot of parents out there that are total no brainers as well! | | | |
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| | Devil Dog
Posts:420
| | 08/27/2007 1:27 AM |
Alert | | Time to start enforcement - "Click It or Ticket It" | |
"Always Moving Forward" | |
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| | pissedparent
Posts:355
| | 08/27/2007 11:09 AM |
Alert | | So I'm curious YZRacer, why do you give them their perscription? The next time they go through one child short, I would feel pretty shitty if that kid got killed and I could have stopped it. Call CPS, you have all their info, turn them in. | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 08/27/2007 11:32 AM |
Alert | Posted By pissedparent on 08/27/2007 11:09 AM
So I'm curious YZRacer, why do you give them their perscription? The next time they go through one child short, I would feel pretty shitty if that kid got killed and I could have stopped it. Call CPS, you have all their info, turn them in.
Woah, that's a bit extreme, don't you think? What if the kids unbuckled themselves. CPS is known to screw up families, so you really ought to be sure there is a problem that is the parent's fault first. | |
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|  | Blue Orchid
Posts:659
| | 08/27/2007 11:41 AM |
Alert | | Using the patient's personal information to turn them in to CPS is probably a HIPAA violation. I don't think any of a patient's information can be released to anyone not involved in their treatment or their insurance coverage without their consent. At least that is my interpretation. | | | |
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| | alanf
Posts:1601
| | 08/27/2007 12:28 PM |
Alert | They also do not have to be wearing seat belts in the parking lot. Click or ticket is only enforceable on public roadways. A parking lot is private property.
Now you could refuse to fill the prescription until all kids were buckled up...but that might prove to be detrimental to job security when the customer complained to corporate.
Might also want to read up on AZ seat belt laws before you start calling in reports. | | | |
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| | alanf
Posts:1601
| | 08/27/2007 12:35 PM |
Alert | Here are the AZ State laws for seat belts and child seats:
Safety Inside the Vehicle
Safety Belt Laws in Arizona
ARS Title 28-909 (A)
Each front seat occupant must have the lap and shoulder belt properly adjusted and fastened while the vehicle is in motion. If only a lap belt is installed, the lap belt must be properly adjusted, and fastened while the vehicle is in motion.
ARS Title 28-909 (B)
A citation will be issued to the driver for each passenger under 16 years of age that is occupying the front seat and is not wearing a seat belt.
ARS Title 28-909 (F)
Exemptions: persons with physical or medical disability waivers, mail carriers, and children under 5 years of age (child restraint required).
Child Restraint Safety Checklist
When traveling with a young child, you need to understand all the facets of child restraints.
At what age is a child restraint no longer necessary?
Is there still a weight restriction for child restraints?
How should I position my child restraint in the vehicle?
Correcting mistakes made when installing child safety seats could save a life. The most common mistakes are:
Never place rear facing infants in front seat with passenger-side air bags.
Infant (under one year AND 20 pounds) should always face the rear of the vehicle.
Child safety seat needs to be anchored in vehicle by a safety belt.
Child must be buckled in a child safety seat.
Child safety seat harness straps in slot at or below infant’s shoulder (rear facing) and at or above toddler’s shoulder (forward facing).
Harness straps need to be snug – no more than one adult finger should fit under harness.
Harness retainer clip must be at armpit level to hold harness strap properly over shoulders.
Vehicle safety belt must hold child safety seat tightly and be threaded through correct belt path of child safety seat.
Check child safety seat for correct size/type for child’s weight and age.
Child Restraint Laws for Arizona
Having our young children properly restrained in our vehicles is not an option, in Arizona it is required by law !
ARS 28-907 (A) and (B)
The driver will be cited if they fail to properly secure a child under 5 years of age in a child restraint device that meets federal standards.
NOTE: No weight limitation as of October 1, 1997
ARS 28-907 (C)
Driver is subject to a civil penalty of $50 plus court imposed surcharges, unless a person makes a sufficient showing that the motor vehicle has been subsequently equipped with a child restraint device.
ARS 28-907 (G)
Exemptions: Motor vehicles originally manufactured without seat belts (prior to 1972), recreational vehicles, public transportation, buses, school bus, transporting a child in an emergency to obtain medical care, or the interior design of vehicle makes use impractical for multiple child restraint devices.
Infant Seats
Birth to 20 Pounds (birth to age one):
Infants should be in a reclined infant car seat or convertible seat in the infant position to protect the delicate neck and head. All straps should be pulled snugly. The car seat must face the rear of the car and should never be used in a front seat where there is an air bag. The infant must face the rear so that in the event of a crash, swerve, or sudden stop, the infant’s back and shoulders can better absorb the impact. Household infant carriers and cloth carriers are not designed to protect an infant in a car and should never be used.
Please never place any toys or mirrors around or near the child's face. During a crash these objects become flying projectiles and will injure your child.
Convertible Seats
5 to 40 Pounds :
The convertible car seat is placed in a reclined rear-facing position until an infant is 1 year and 20 pounds.
After children reach at least 1 year and 20 pounds, the convertible seat can be turned forward and placed in the upright position in the back seat of the vehicle.
Fasten the convertible car seat with a vehicle seat belt, properly inserting the belt through the car seat frame according to the manufacturer’s instructions. Read the vehicle owner’s manual for specific instructions. A locking clip is needed when using a vehicle lap/shoulder belt with a latch plate that moves freely along the belt.
Booster Seats
40 to 80 Pounds :
When a child outgrows the convertible car seat or weighs about 40 pounds, either a belt positioning (backless) or high-back booster seat can be used with a lap/shoulder belt in the back seat of the vehicle. For those vehicles that do not have lap/shoulder belts, the options are limited:
1.) Retrofit the vehicle with shoulder belts,
2.) Use a harness or vest system,
3.) Purchase a new booster seat with harnesses that secure to the vehicle seat with the lap belt.
Feel free to contact GOHS for current product information.
Buckle Up Baby Campaign
If you observe a child under the age of 8 not properly restrained while riding in a motor vehicle, you can do something about it.
Call the "Buckle Up, Baby" hotline number 1-800-505-BABY, a GOHS program supported by the Phoenix Police Department.
How the program works: Persons may call the 1-800 number and leave the following information:
Vehicle license number and state.
City observed in.
Where the child was sitting in the vehicle.
A packet of useful information is mailed to the registered owner stating that their vehicle was observed transporting an unrestrained child. The material describes the hazards of transporting unrestrained children under the age of 8, and encourages the owner to purchase a child restraint system. This information is not provided to any law enforcement agencies, insurance companies, or the Arizona Motor Vehicles Division. The purpose of this program is to provide information to those who might need it most.
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 08/27/2007 12:39 PM |
Alert | OMG! Alanf is quoting the law! Call.....someone! 
They also do not have to be wearing seat belts in the parking lot. Click or ticket is only enforceable on public roadways. A parking lot is private property.
Bingo! No driving laws apply on private property. You could even let Junior drive around on your driveway and garage, so long as he doesn't cross over onto the sidewalk or street. Just be prepared for your insurance company not to pay if Junior creates an extension on your garage for you. | |
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| | DesertDweller
Posts:2569
| | 08/27/2007 12:41 PM |
Alert | Wow. And to think that I lived in an era when seatbelts were optional equipment on cars and I rased four kids before car seats were heard of. And what's amazing is that we're all alive!
Yeah, I know, it's the law and times have changed. It's just remarkable how once something becomes available it suddenly becomes so essential that we can't live without it. | |
Stupid should hurt!
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| | alanf
Posts:1601
| | 08/27/2007 12:47 PM |
Alert | Fortunately those Model-Ts didn't get going to fast DD.  | | | |
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| | YZRacer
Posts:1653
| | 08/27/2007 12:48 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By pissedparent on 08/27/2007 11:09 AM
So I'm curious YZRacer, why do you give them their perscription? The next time they go through one child short, I would feel pretty shitty if that kid got killed and I could have stopped it. Call CPS, you have all their info, turn them in.</div>
I have no jurisdiction (for lack of better idea) to refuse service to them because they are stupid. If i refused service to all the stupid people that come thru my drivethru, the store would go bankrupt! We have coloring books to offer to kids through the drive thru, and on several occasions, I've said to the kids, "if you put your seatbelts on I'll give you a coloring book". It is usually met by dirty looks from the parents and a "who the f are you?" look from the kids.
And yes, it would be a HIPAA violation to use the contact information we have to report them to CPS. But as a parent, hell, as a human being, it drives me crazy that I can't do anything about it.
I know that their used to be a phone number that you could call with the car's license plate and they would mail information to the registered owner of the car about carseats and safety. I don't know if it still exists. If it does, I would write down the license plate of the cars and report them on my time off of work.
Also, unfortunatly, the chain I work for is more interested in kissing the customer's butts and making money than supporting their employees and helping the community. We have even been instructed to not notify the police in case of fraudulent prescriptions (even when the victim dr requests it), bad checks or theft.
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| | alanf
Posts:1601
| | 08/27/2007 12:51 PM |
Alert | Posted By YZRacer on 08/27/2007 12:48 PM Posted By pissedparent on 08/27/2007 11:09 AM
So I'm curious YZRacer, why do you give them their perscription? The next time they go through one child short, I would feel pretty shitty if that kid got killed and I could have stopped it. Call CPS, you have all their info, turn them in. I have no jurisdiction (for lack of better idea) to refuse service to them because they are stupid. If i refused service to all the stupid people that come thru my drivethru, the store would go bankrupt! We have coloring books to offer to kids through the drive thru, and on several occasions, I've said to the kids, "if you put your seatbelts on I'll give you a coloring book". It is usually met by dirty looks from the parents and a "who the f are you?" look from the kids. And yes, it would be a HIPAA violation to use the contact information we have to report them to CPS. But as a parent, hell, as a human being, it drives me crazy that I can't do anything about it. I know that their used to be a phone number that you could call with the car's license plate and they would mail information to the registered owner of the car about carseats and safety. I don't know if it still exists. If it does, I would write down the license plate of the cars and report them on my time off of work. Also, unfortunatly, the chain I work for is more interested in kissing the customer's butts and making money than supporting their employees and helping the community. We have even been instructed to not notify the police in case of fraudulent prescriptions (even when the victim dr requests it), bad checks or theft.
From above YZ:
Buckle Up Baby Campaign
If you observe a child under the age of 8 not properly restrained while riding in a motor vehicle, you can do something about it.
Call the "Buckle Up, Baby" hotline number 1-800-505-BABY, a GOHS program supported by the Phoenix Police Department.
How the program works: Persons may call the 1-800 number and leave the following information:
Vehicle license number and state.
City observed in.
Where the child was sitting in the vehicle.
A packet of useful information is mailed to the registered owner stating that their vehicle was observed transporting an unrestrained child. The material describes the hazards of transporting unrestrained children under the age of 8, and encourages the owner to purchase a child restraint system. This information is not provided to any law enforcement agencies, insurance companies, or the Arizona Motor Vehicles Division. The purpose of this program is to provide information to those who might need it most.
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| | alanf
Posts:1601
| | 08/27/2007 12:54 PM |
Alert | And the number works...I just reported DD for all those years of unsafe child rearing.  | | | |
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| | YZRacer
Posts:1653
| | 08/27/2007 1:03 PM |
Alert | | thank you alan! i'll start writing down numbers tonight! sadly, i know i will see it | |
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| | chrissie
Posts:80
| | 08/27/2007 1:19 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 08/27/2007 11:32 AM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By pissedparent on 08/27/2007 11:09 AM
So I'm curious YZRacer, why do you give them their perscription? The next time they go through one child short, I would feel pretty shitty if that kid got killed and I could have stopped it. Call CPS, you have all their info, turn them in.</div>
Woah, that's a bit extreme, don't you think? What if the kids unbuckled themselves. CPS is known to screw up families, so you really ought to be sure there is a problem that is the parent's fault first.</div>
Are you speaking from first hand experience or is this a generalization? From what I understand and have seen CPS is there to protect children, not purposly mess their lives up. Perhaps it is the parents messing up the childs life, and CPS steps in to make things a right as they can? | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 08/27/2007 1:58 PM |
Alert | Neither. I understand that their primary goal is to protect children, but there have been recent cases where CPS oversteps their legal authority and ruins situations, even when there is nothing going wrong.
It is an overreaction to call in CPS, when there were no laws violated and no indication that the parent was at fault. | |
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| | chrissie
Posts:80
| | 08/27/2007 2:11 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 08/27/2007 1:58 PM
Neither. I understand that their primary goal is to protect children, but there have been recent cases where CPS oversteps their legal authority and ruins situations, even when there is nothing going wrong.
It is an overreaction to call in CPS, when there were no laws violated and no indication that the parent was at fault.</div>
I agree that calling CPS for unbuckled kids in a parking lot, or drive thru is probably not validated, but driving down the 347 with multiple children bouncing all over the place would be. | | | |
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| | YZRacer
Posts:1653
| | 08/27/2007 2:53 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By chrissie on 08/27/2007 2:11 PM
<div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By Jason on 08/27/2007 1:58 PM
I agree that calling CPS for unbuckled kids in a parking lot, or drive thru is probably not validated, but driving down the 347 with multiple children bouncing all over the place would be.</div>
i wouldn't call CPS, but the buckle up baby number will be used. perhaps if the BUB people get repeated calls for the same people, they will call CPS.
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