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Jason
Posts:3378
 | | 08/22/2007 8:07 PM |
 Alert | | That is an illogical comparison. Driving a reasonable and prudent speed (albeit higher than the speed limit) is not at all like rioting. | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 08/22/2007 8:09 PM |
Alert | | So if it's not worth it for 5 minutes, why not go 45 instead of 60? | |
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| | cptpizza
Posts:67
| | 08/22/2007 8:17 PM |
Alert | There is nothing reasonable and prudent about doing 85-90 on that highway particularly in the current condition with the construction. And that is not a far fetched estimate of speed.
And also, I wasn't the one who tried to compare this situation to the Boston tea party. I never said this was equivelent to that situation. In fact I was arguing that your argument was flawed. | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 08/22/2007 8:20 PM |
Alert | There is nothing reasonable and prudent about doing 85-90 on that highway particularly in the current condition with the construction. And that is not a far fetched estimate of speed.
Yes, there are some who go that fast. But when I go 75, I am traveling the same speed as most of the traffic. How is that like a riot? It is not.
And also, I wasn't the one who tried to compare this situation to the Boston tea party. I never said this was equivelent to that situation. In fact I was arguing that your argument was flawed.
My argument was not flawed. You said:
in my opinion, being grown up means obeying laws, no matter how much you agree or disagree with them.
Which is blind obedience, which is not acceptable. | |
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| | cptpizza
Posts:67
| | 08/22/2007 8:36 PM |
Alert | Yes, and you said those "immature yahoo's that tossed all that tea off the boat didn't know what they were doing?"
You were comparing an event that happened when people disobeyed laws due to lack of a say in what those laws were to disagreeing with a posted speed limit, which if enough people agree, our current government gives us a chance to change.
Call it blind obedience if you will, but as long as the laws are on the books, it is our civil duty to obey those laws. If we disagree with those laws, there are checks and balances in place and means (such as voter initiatives) to give us an opportunity to get those laws changed.
However, judging by most of the posts in this forum, that does not appear to be the popular opinion.
Don't misunderstand me, I am very much against passing laws that are not necessary. However, if the laws are passed either by the voters or the people the voters elect to represent them, those laws should be followed or legally challenged. People back then did not have a legal recourse to make their protest, and were forced into civil disobedience. | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 08/22/2007 9:02 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>You were comparing an event that happened when people disobeyed laws due to lack of a say in what those laws were to disagreeing with a posted speed limit, which if enough people agree, our current government gives us a chance to change.</div>
What kind of options do we have? ADOT does not listen to us. I have an email out to the city transportation manager that has no response on why Porter is 40 in one direction and 45 in the other. We can elect representatives. We can send emails. We can make phone calls. But that is obviously <i>not</i> working.
Can you come up with any justification why Honeycutt is 35 (two lanes in each direction, with median) but Smith-Enke (same design) is 45? And then mind bogglingly it goes up to 45 when it drops to one lane in each direction, no median. Can you guess what the same section of Smith-Enke is? 35. What kind of sense is that?
I would imagine that most drivers are capable of critical thinking. They shouldn't insult us with poorly thought out speed limits. | |
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|  | 1lonewolf
Posts:5
| | 08/22/2007 9:57 PM |
Alert | I've read through all of this. I have to say that more people seem ignorant of the root of the problem. Jason has a point, not only other countries but other states too. In Arizona, your drivers license doesn't "expire". Some of the drivers out there learned to drive when a two lane road was standard. Today, not only cars have been advanced through technology but roads too. There are more lanes and more laws governing these. Does the state in any way inforce the re-education of its drivers on the new laws that are created every year?
Speeding in the state of Arizona? Good question since the law states what is safe and prudent is the acceptable speed. Remember that speeding is a two way street. Not only fast but also SLOW drivers are breaking the law. There is a minimum speed as well as maximum.
Also, the left lane is called a passing lane for a reason. When I drive and come up to two people driving at the same speed in both lanes AND there is no congestion, it irks me. When I get mad from the lack of good sense, I tend to drive faster. I know that I am not alone on this.
Lastly, putting police cars on the road with no officers. Which cars should we use? We don't have enough coverage as it is. I am not buying police cars to sit idle all day. Besides, it is outside copa jurisdiction. The 347 falls under the state and county. City of Maricopa can only request maintenance and suggest changes. The moment they start paying for things then the state and county support goes away.
My thought is to use good judgement and be considerate to your fellow drivers and allow the "unsafe" (speeders) past you and maybe you can enjoy the smooth right lane safely for a change. | | | |
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