mw
Posts:122
 | | 08/21/2007 11:10 PM |
 Alert | so, they used to do this in chicago. they would put cop cars at the under passes on the freeway. some of them were empty and some of them had cops in them. they kept the cop cars in the same location day in and day out, but you never knew which ones were empty or not. they busted speeders left and right doing it that way! so, why don't we have three cop cars. one at the beginning, middle and end of 347 (tinted windows would be nice so no one can see in and realize there was no cop)... and that will cut down on speeders since you never know when you'll get caught.
i just thought of the flaw though. it would never be able to be at the start of 347 on the north or south lanes b/c then you would know you already passed the real deal. i am still working out the kinks on this plan.... muuwwwhaha | |
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caveman
Posts:1078
| | 08/21/2007 11:16 PM |
Alert | | Here is an idea, GROW UP. There is far too much bitching and moaning in this forum about speeders. WELCOME TO PHOENIX. This whole town drives this way it is not just the 347. Instead of whining so much how about you just adapt to it and deal with it. This forum is so full of crybabies about speeding when half of the time it is not the cause of the accidents in here. Speeding != bad driving. Bad driving is what is happening. The cop that fell asleep the other week at the wheel and tonight the hit and run are not speeding they are both just POOR DRIVING. This forum is so much drama about driving get a grip already. If bitching about driving on 347 is all you have in your life I suggest you get out more. | | | |
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 08/21/2007 11:30 PM |
Alert | | Here's a better idea: Put up a realistic speed limit. It's called the 85th percentile rule. | |
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mw
Posts:122
| | 08/21/2007 11:32 PM |
Alert | | you have got to be kidding me! first of all, you grow up with your swearing! what are you two years old having a temper tantrum???? we are simply stating that the speeding needs to stop. and don't for one second try to tell me speeding isn't the main cause of the accidents on 347 and in town. they may not have been the cause of those particular accidents, but they are the cause of many many others. every time i drive on the 347 it's nothing but road rage and speeding! adapt???? adapt to your way of thinking? if everyone adapted to your way of thinking this whole town would be made up of nothing but neanderthals (oops, i mean cavemen). don't tell me to adapt just b/c you can't slow down. it's not complaining when i have my children in my car and i want nothing more than to get home alive! so i should adapt by becoming a horrible, irresponsible driver? ok, you say it's not all speeding? but it's bad driving??? either way, the speeders and the "bad drivers" are the ones that need to adapt!!!! | |
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 08/21/2007 11:36 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>and don't for one second try to tell me speeding isn't the main cause of the accidents on 347 and in town.</div>
They aren't. Think about it. How many of these accidents are one car going along at 75 that just slams into a car going 65, with no other cause? Fact: Most accidents happen below highway speed.
I guarantee you, if everyone's driving skills improved (including those that complain it is absolutely unsafe to go above the speed limit) then things would be a lot safer. At any speed. | |
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stinkerbell2
Posts:0
| | 08/21/2007 11:41 PM |
Alert | | mw- While I am on your side you are better off talking to road kill than talking to some of these on here about speeding and the 347...They will not get on board with the idea that speeding is: A) Leathal B) Wrong and C) downright Dumb. So If you want to save yourself a whole bunch of time might I suggest you just let them be... otherwise you could be here all night, everyday and it would still fall on deaf ears! | | | |
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caveman
Posts:1078
| | 08/22/2007 8:56 AM |
Alert | | Would you like some cheese with your whine? We have far too many housewives on this board that are primadonnas. I did not swear at you and I will again say grow up. I am sorry you can't take criticism and hear the other side of this argument. You are probably sitting at home all day trolling this forum. Get a job in Phoenix like most in Maricopa and you will get some perspective on the commute. This "for the children" argument is pathetic. If you really want to do something for the safety of your children make sure they exercise and eat healthy. Driving on the 347 is so overblown on this forum when it is no worse than other roads in Phoenix. There are much bigger problems in this town and Jason is right the speed limits need to be increased to something reasonable. Also if you are going to talk about how many accidents happen then please come in here with some hard evidence. I am sure the rate of accidents is no higher than anywhere else. This anecdotal evidence means NOTHING. The big problem here is that the town has not accommodated the large population growth in the area and has not taken the steps needed to keep traffic flowing. "don't tell me to adapt just b/c you can't slow down" maybe you should have looked at where you moved to. All over Phoenix 80 is the standard. When I moved out I was driving at the speed limit but found that people honked their horns at me and flipped me off. What did I do? I adapted. Is there a law of physics that says "driving at 65 is safe if you get in an accident but at 75 you are dead" NO there isn't. Why do you think it is so much more dangerous? Again back it up with some hard evidence. You need to separate the two cases of poor driving and speeding they are not mutually exclusive. | | | |
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CrownNCoke
Posts:810
| | 08/22/2007 9:11 AM |
Alert | Don't think it would work for me I will do 85 regardless cop or no cop. In fact I have followed 2 copa sheriffs into town doing 80 85 was pretty nice because nobody tried to block the popos. Oh and to the guy in the Lexus SUV how did you like my bumper good thing you have good brakes haha (If you go slow in the left lane you get to meet my bumper)...let the assault begin | |
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stinkerbell2
Posts:0
| | 08/22/2007 9:17 AM |
Alert | | WOW somebody's loin cloth is in a bunch!! Does anyone else find it humorous that a guy named CAVEAN is talking about adapting? No just me Ok then... | | | |
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CrownNCoke
Posts:810
| | 08/22/2007 9:19 AM |
Alert | | cavemen or people too | |
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Fritzydoodle
Posts:980
| | 08/22/2007 9:27 AM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By mw on 08/21/2007 11:10 PM
so, they used to do this in chicago. they would put cop cars at the under passes on the freeway. some of them were empty and some of them had cops in them. they kept the cop cars in the same location day in and day out, but you never knew which ones were empty or not. they busted speeders left and right doing it that way! so, why don't we have three cop cars. one at the beginning, middle and end of 347 (tinted windows would be nice so no one can see in and realize there was no cop)... and that will cut down on speeders since you never know when you'll get caught.
i just thought of the flaw though. it would never be able to be at the start of 347 on the north or south lanes b/c then you would know you already passed the real deal. i am still working out the kinks on this plan.... muuwwwhaha</div>
HaHaHa!
Original idea. Go back about 6-8 months ago. PCSO did just that near Cobblestone. Remember? They had the CPR mannequin dressed in a uniform? Unfortunately, someone BROKE INTO THE CAR and stole the dummy and uniform. So much for controlling speeding with a 'police presence'.
I agree with the stop b'ing and whining and get with it. The constant flow of "other people need to..."
Just who do you think are other people? Perhaps yourself? If the traffic flow is 40mph - go 40 no matter what the signs says. "But officer - the speed limit is 65..." Guess what - you can still get a speeding ticket for doing 65 in a 65mph zone if that is not the reasonable and prudent speed. And if the flow is going 75 in the 65 - guess who is impeding the flow of traffic and causing the greatest risk? Not the cars going around you - but YOU by going too slow for the flow.
If you don't like the situation - either drive at non-peak times, take an alternate route, or move to a city more to your liking. The rest of us like it here just fine without you. | |
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DesertDweller
Posts:2559
| | 08/22/2007 9:33 AM |
Alert | Putting a patrol car out is a great deterrent. Some jurisdictions have even put out cardboard cutouts to get people's attention. That's exactly what happens, too. People check their seatbelt, their speed, put the phone down, put thier beer out of sight, whatever. It helps.
I wish people wouldn't get so hung up on speed, though. Speed is usually only a factor after someone does something else wrong, like lose control or become distracted. Modern automobiles and roadways are designed to handle a lot more speed than they did when the speed limits were established. Many of the ones we have now are arbitrary.
Want to stay alive on the road? Pay attention, and keep control of your vehicle. | |
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Nickswebcamfriend
Posts:1292
| | 08/22/2007 11:19 AM |
Alert | | The cop car idea does cause another problem as well though - all of these people also freak and slow way down causing more backups! They used to do this on Southbound I-17 coming into Phoenix but htey realized that it was causing more problems then it was detering people from speeding etc. More accidents caused by people slamming their brakes on when they would see the cop car. | |
Who's using me, what should we do? Because you can't be a pimp and a prostitute too. - White Stripes
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leehopper
Posts:120
| | 08/22/2007 11:57 AM |
Alert | I would like to repsond, but I'm too busy text messaging while I'm driving 85 in the right lane on 347 souith bound.....damm, just spilled ketchup on my shirt, just proves a guy cannot drive, eat, and text message at the same time...
would some one turn down the volumn on the damm dvd player, and pivot the screen so I can see it... | |
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 08/22/2007 12:44 PM |
Alert | | Here's a really, really radical idea. It just might work, since other countries have successfully implemented it: Mandatory driver education. Not the sham we have now, but comprehensive, rigorous training. It just might actually make things safer, instead of so many people fearing driving. | |
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mw
Posts:122
| | 08/22/2007 5:31 PM |
Alert | "You are probably sitting at home all day trolling this forum. Get a job in Phoenix like most in Maricopa and you will get some perspective on the commute. This "for the children" argument is pathetic. If you really want to do something for the safety of your children make sure they exercise and eat healthy."
first of all caveman, i get on this forum like everyone else to see what is going on in the community that i live in. most of the time i get on this forum once a day, if at all, and usually very late at night when my kids finally go to bed. a primadonna housewife who has nothing better to do than troll the forum? give me a break. i live a very full and busy life as a "housewife." i see you were on here before i was...so, a little of the pot calling the kettle black syndrome? it seems you feel you have a right to comment on posts, but those who don't agree with you don't have the same rights to post as you do. i'll also have you know that my husband DOES work in phoenix, so i am very aware of the commute he takes every day. as for my "for the children" argument being pathetic....nothing is pathetic or trivial to me when it comes to my children. as far as your comment about making sure my children are safe by eating healthy and exercising...not that it is any of your business how i feed my family, but they do eat healthy. my three year old would rather have a salad than cake anyday.
i love living in maricopa fritzydoodle. didn't live here 8 months ago, so didn't know about the dummy. i actually do drive during non-peak hours much of the time. i'm not saying speeding is the only way people get into accidents. not paying attention, blah blah blah is right up there as well. and i do go with the flow of traffic. i'm not the ninny that is in the left hand lane holding up the traffic going 65 and not letting people pass. i just see the major speeders on 347 doing nothing but weaving in and out of traffic like a bat out of hell and putting everyone in jeopardy just to pull up next to them once i get into town.
i feel i have every right to post a comment about my concerns about the speeding/driving situation! just this morning at 8:45am i passed a three car accident. the thought i had in my head was "thank god i was running late or that could have been us." and to me, that is a really horrible feeling to have....weekly. (don't jump down my throat, i never said it was caused b/c of speeding, i just said there was an accident.) just because i don't like the driving situation, doesn't mean i don't like this town. i have met some really fantastic people and i'm really glad we moved here....like stinkerbell....i like you! | |
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kjgreifer
Posts:0
| | 08/22/2007 6:05 PM |
Alert | I still wish my HOA would approve my helipad so I can land my helicopter on the side of my house. It sure would cut my commute time. If there are any lawyers that specialize in HOA litigation please let me know.
I guess I'll be stuck commuting back and forth with the rest of the great citizens of Maricopa. | | | |
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cptpizza
Posts:73
| | 08/22/2007 7:17 PM |
Alert | <div class='NTForums_Quote'>Posted By caveman on 08/22/2007 8:56 AM
Get a job in Phoenix like most in Maricopa and you will get some perspective on the commute. This "for the children" argument is pathetic. If you really want to do something for the safety of your children make sure they exercise and eat healthy. Driving on the 347 is so overblown on this forum when it is no worse than other roads in Phoenix. </div>
I am going to once again cite a critical thinking course that I took in college. Saying that its ok to speed because other roads in Phoenix are the same way is known as the "Two Wrongs make a right" logical reasoning fallacy. Don't give into peer pressure....
1. I am not a housewife, but rather the primary income winner for my family. I too believe that speeds are rediculously high on the roads. I also just want my kids, and my wife to get home safely. Not just 347, ALL roads . People need to slow down. Save the racing for the track.
2. Whoever said that the majority of accidents happen at slower speeds may be right. I seem to remember when the federal government let the states decide on their own speed limit, there was much debate over raising the speed. While I don't know if your FACT is correct or not, I do specifically remember statistics being cited that showed FATALITY RATE increases at higher speeds.
3. I have a 50 mile commute to work, so I know what it is like to brave the war zone in the morning.
Now, for a little math lesson:
For the sake of argument, lets say that 347 from Maricopa to the freeway is approximately 15 miles.
At 60 miles an hour, it will take 15 minutes to get to I-10.
At 75 miles an hour, it will take 12 minutes to get to I-10
At 90 Miles an hour, it will take 10 minutes to get to I-10.
Is it really worth putting peoples lives (including your own) in danger to save 5 minutes. I don't think so.
Besides, you are the first one to get to the standstill on I-10. While you are waiting in traffic, all the time you gained by speeding was lost while you sit in bumper to bumper traffic.
And by the way....in my opinion, being grown up means obeying laws, no matter how much you agree or disagree with them. If you disagree with the speed limit, don't just break it. Do something to get it changed legally.
My two cents...
Yet another long winded post by me....
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 08/22/2007 7:42 PM |
Alert | | So all those immature yahoos that tossed all that tea off the boat didn't know what they were doing? | |
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cptpizza
Posts:73
| | 08/22/2007 8:01 PM |
Alert | | No, I didn't say that. They were protesting taxation without representation. In the modern U.S., we have representation (in theory anyway). We have means of making changes without rioting in the streets. Times were a bit different back then. | | | |
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