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CatMan
Posts:24
 | | 06/14/2008 9:10 AM |
 Alert | With the gas prices and all, I've noticed more motorcycles on the roads, myself included. The other day I had a woman pull up to the intersection I was approaching...she had a stop, i was on a main street. Understand I have a fairly large bike with multiple headlights for safety. It seemed she looked me right in the eye, and then pulled out in front of me, causing a great "pucker factor" and a bit of evasive action. When I came alongside her, she was apologizing profusely, and said she hadn't seen me. I've heard of this phenomenon from other riders, but this was my first experience with it. There's no such thing as a 'fender bender' with a motorcycle. Even a "minor" confrontation with a car is gonna hurt. Please people, be aware of the motorcyclists. | |
I thought it was great that I seemed to be getting more patience with age...turns out I just don't give a darn. | |
| | NinjaRider
Posts:8
| | 06/14/2008 10:11 AM |
Alert | I hear your pain. | | | |
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| | geewiz
Posts:323
| | 06/18/2008 7:20 AM |
Alert | | Was it at night. If it was turn your brights off and maybe people will not be blinded. It seem most not all motorcycle riders think they need to ride with thier brights on or thier headlights aimed too high. | | | |
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| | bigblacktruck
Posts:64
| | 06/19/2008 3:02 AM |
Alert | Geewiz
So your saying its his fault for the other driver clearly having her head up her rear? Seriously? Now that I am riding a bike also, I see morons daily doing things that would end up getting me splattered if I wasnt paying attention and predicting the stupidity ahead of time. Maybe YOU should get on a bike a just ride around town for 10 minutes, I know you'll be in a full pucker almost instantly. | |
Im the one speeding on the 347, move over or get run over! | |
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| | RichTig
Posts:0
| | 06/19/2008 6:24 AM |
Alert | The motorcycle riders that we should watch for........ are they the same riders that have the 1,000 decibel 'mufflers' ? or are they the ones that drive between cars during rush hour ? or are they the ones that don't care about safety and don't wear a helmet ? I think the motorcyclist bring it on themselves. They know they have a smaller footprint, yet insist on bobbing and weaving through traffic and they get all upset because no one saw them, where they weren't a second ago. | | | |
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| | geewiz
Posts:323
| | 06/19/2008 7:45 AM |
Alert | I did not say it was his fault. As Rich stated many isssues are brought on by the actions caused by the motorcyclist. Yes I have rode a bike around town. I see more idiots on bikes putting themselves in bad situations than autos causing. Just last week a moron on one of those crouch rockets drove between my truck and the one in the left lane during at least 80 and about took off my mirror. I know not all motorcyclist drive like that but there are plenty that do. | | | |
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|  | CatMan
Posts:24
| | 06/19/2008 8:05 AM |
Alert | | As with everything else, there are good and bad. I've seen the bad ones too, and all I can do is shake my head and wonder if they have a death wish. I took the motorcycle safety foundation's training course, and I wear a helmet, gloves, riding jacket and all that. I ride like everybody's trying to kill me. (Very defensively) I stay out of car's blind spots, I don't tailgate, I've got 3 headlights lit even during the day, and my pipes are fairly loud. (Maybe they'll hear me if they don't see me) I wonder why I see riders in shorts, t-shirts and flip flops. BUT...to each his own. You're right...some bring on their own problems, as do car drivers. 37% of all motorcycle accidents are one vehicle (the motorcycle) accidents. All I ask is that car drivers be more aware of motorcycles, that's all. Whether you think their pipes are too loud or their headlight is too bright (my incident was in the mid-afternoon), be aware that it's another vehicle that you need to share the road with. My life insurance is paid up, but that's one policy I don't want my family to have to collect on because somebody didn't 'see' me. | |
I thought it was great that I seemed to be getting more patience with age...turns out I just don't give a darn. | |
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| | scar
Posts:20
| | 06/19/2008 9:00 PM |
Alert | | I took up two-wheeled riding a couple of years ago and I won't begin to make excuses for the grey-matter challenged. Knowing the perils, I am now much more considerate, and pay attention to the motorcycles than I used to. I do have to say, though, most of my close calls have been in the local shopping parking lots. What is up with that? I read a couple of books by David Hough: "Proficient Motorcycling" and "More Proficient Motorcycling." I STRONGLY recommend those books (in addition to safety classes) for anyone, regardless of their riding experience. They were both great reads. | | | |
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| | caveman
Posts:1078
| | 06/20/2008 6:56 AM |
Alert | Posted By RichTig on 06/19/2008 6:24 AM The motorcycle riders that we should watch for........ are they the same riders that have the 1,000 decibel 'mufflers' ? or are they the ones that drive between cars during rush hour ? or are they the ones that don't care about safety and don't wear a helmet ? I think the motorcyclist bring it on themselves. They know they have a smaller footprint, yet insist on bobbing and weaving through traffic and they get all upset because no one saw them, where they weren't a second ago. I have to agree with you Rich. I find a lot of motorcycle riders pulling off daredevil tricks while on the major highways in Phoenix. | | | |
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| | Granny5X
Posts:361
| | 06/20/2008 8:48 AM |
Alert | How do you motorcycle riders avoid the road debree? Everytime I see the long strip of tire retread laying in the middle of the road I immediately think of you all. When it is safe, I pull over and pull it off the roadway, which has only happened a couple of times, and I'm telling you those things are flippin heavy! Hitting one of those when it is dark has got to be very dangerous.
I agree with CatMan. Good and bad in everything! If you drive like Hell, you will get there eventually! Heaven has no room for idiots! | |
"Your future is a rainbow of beautiful memories when you hold a dream in your heart" | |
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| | scar
Posts:20
| | 06/21/2008 3:03 PM |
Alert | Posted By Granny5X on 06/20/2008 8:48 AM
How do you motorcycle riders avoid the road debree? Everytime I see the long strip of tire retread laying in the middle of the road I immediately think of you all. When it is safe, I pull over and pull it off the roadway, which has only happened a couple of times, and I'm telling you those things are flippin heavy! Hitting one of those when it is dark has got to be very dangerous. Thank you for that Granny, but please be careful. I can't speak for everyone, and I ride a dual sport that sits higher off the road than most bikes, but I try to ride in a position I can see far ahead of me. I don't tailgate; cars can flip up alot of debris. I don't do much riding at night, but thankfully, the style of my motorcycle forgives me for more than it should. | | | |
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| | Rabbit
Posts:250
| | 06/23/2008 10:40 AM |
Alert | The motorcycle riders that we should watch for........
are they the same riders that have the 1,000 decibel 'mufflers' ?
or are they the ones that drive between cars during rush hour ?
or are they the ones that don't care about safety and don't wear a helmet ?
I think the motorcyclist bring it on themselves. They know they have a smaller footprint, yet insist on bobbing and weaving through traffic and they get all upset because no one saw them, where they weren't a second ago.
yup, those are the ones you should watch for. and for the ones wearing helmets, with normal pipes, who dont dodge in between traffic. watch for the ones pulling out from a green light when youre running a red one and splattering them all over the road. watch for them when youre making a left, right in front of an oncoming motorcycle. doesnt matter if they were there a second ago or not. its called paying attention, and more people should learn to do it. it is extremely unfair to blame someone else for your (and i mean your in a generic sense, not anyone in particular) failure to look before you change lanes, pull out, or whatever. not there a second ago? the same could be said for cars sir....and it doesnt make it any more ok.
i come from california where lane sharing is totally legal, however i do not do it here. back in california, the ONLY time i ever had issues with someone almost hitting me, was because they were not paying as much attention as they should have been, and not one single time was this due to lane sharing.
here in arizona, its the same situation, minus the lane sharing. i have been almost creamed more times than i care to count, by people not paying adequate attention to their surroundings. people look me directly in the eyes in the mirror, turn on their turn signal, and then proceed to change lanes right into me. people cut out in front of us, people almost hit us EVERY single time we ride, and then get all upset at us, when we arent doint anything illegal. yes, loud pipes are obnoxious, and i dont have them, but i can understand why people feel the need. every little bit helps, and if someone hears those pipes and spends an extra tenth of a second looking before they change lanes, and it spares an accident, then im happy with it.
If it was turn your brights off and maybe people will not be blinded. It seem most not all motorcycle riders think they need to ride with thier brights on or thier headlights aimed too high.
i ride with my brights on 100% of the time during the day, and 90% of the time at night. you know what i think, on the extremely rare occasions that someone flashes their brights at me? "At least that one sees me."
the attitude towards motorcycles that i have seen first hand in this state is pretty appaling, and it has been echoed here.
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"Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don't know what your rights are, or who the person is you're talking to. Then on the way out, slam the door." | |
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| | RichTig
Posts:0
| | 06/23/2008 12:16 PM |
Alert | The attitude from motorcyclists that I have seen first hand in this state is pretty appalling. They drive like they are in some stunt show, with no helmet. I watch for motorcycles and I haven't hit one, yet. | | | |
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| | Rabbit
Posts:250
| | 06/23/2008 12:30 PM |
Alert | The attitude from motorcyclists that I have seen first hand in this state is pretty appalling.
They drive like they are in some stunt show, with no helmet.
i agree. riding without a helmet is pretty dumb, and so is stunting on the street. one of those two things is not illegal however. Your statement implying that riders not wearing helmets is a justification for not watching for bikes is kind of...well...i cant say, due to terms of use...but i think you get the idea.
one second ago, 5 minutes ago...the fact remains that they were in that lane, or wherever, before you were, and you need to look, not just before you change lanes, but asyou change lanes, motorcycle or not. | |
"Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don't know what your rights are, or who the person is you're talking to. Then on the way out, slam the door." | |
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| | RichTig
Posts:0
| | 06/23/2008 12:32 PM |
Alert | I do look. I haven't hit one, yet. I'm good. | | | |
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| | Diesel05
Posts:44
| | 06/23/2008 4:13 PM |
Alert | Rich, you are exactly the reason why a lot of riders choose to have the extra loud exhaust installed on their bikes. "Loud Pipes Save Lives" You may want to take that extra look when you change lanes too, at some hours there is not a lot of traffic on the 347 and a lot of riders "carry", it would be ashame for you not to make it home.
Yes some riders do put themselves in a lot of danger and yes you should watch out for those riders even more. It's just like when you see some one appearing drunk or weaving in and out of their lane, you dont drive next to them do you? No, you distance yourself.
But lets be truthful, there are far more riders out on the road that are riding safe and obeying the laws than those that are performing "daredevil" tricks. So just be courteous as the topic implies and watch out for motorcycles. Talk to anyone that rides and they will tell you that they have had more close calls on the roads because of a driver that is just oblivious to their surroundings than because of the rider themselves not riding in a law-ful manner. | | | |
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| | RichTig
Posts:0
| | 06/23/2008 4:36 PM |
Alert | Right. The extra loud exhaust is for safety, not for being an obnoxious jerk. I vote jerk. | | | |
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| | Rabbit
Posts:250
| | 06/23/2008 5:13 PM |
Alert | I vote jerk.
naturally you do...its what you can relate to. | |
"Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don't know what your rights are, or who the person is you're talking to. Then on the way out, slam the door." | |
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| | RichTig
Posts:0
| | 06/23/2008 8:16 PM |
Alert | Yeah. And all the Civics that put the loud exhausts are for safety too. No helmet and a loud exhaust just screams safety 1st. | | | |
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| | Diesel05
Posts:44
| | 06/24/2008 10:38 AM |
Alert | It doesn't scream safety first it screams enjoyment. Wind in your face, listening to your machine go through the gears, run up and down the rev range is pure bliss.
Rich, you obviously can't relate and are just going to remain ignorant to your surroundings.
Everyone else, as the topic states....Please watch for motorcycles | | | |
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