RichTig
Posts:0

 | | 06/11/2008 1:31 PM |
Alert | There was a stupid blonde (redundant?) driving her Jetta up the 347 @ about 4:45a, in the left lane with her cruise on about 64. completely oblivious to the other cars on the road. Quite a few of them flashed their lights or honked their horns, to no avail. I did enjoy a few of them almost taking off her front bumper as they squeezed in front of her. | | | |
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scar
Posts:20

 | | 06/11/2008 4:16 PM |
Alert | There are two statutes regarding this topic: one requires you to move over to the right (when safe) if traveling less than the posted limit, and there are five or more vehicles behind you (also germane to two-lane highways); the other requires you to stay to the right if traveling less than the normal speed of traffic at that time and place. The second is not widely enforced, because if the normal speed of traffic at that time is above the speed limit, then the officer has to tell the person to either break the law (speed) or move to the right. The fact is that it is against the law to speed and the violence of the collision increases exponentially with the velocity; bad/inatentive driving increases your chance of being involved in a collision. In Europe, they focus on reducing collisions rather than the severity of the collision. Do with that what you will. | | | |
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Jason
Posts:3378


 | | 06/11/2008 5:28 PM |
Alert | | Actually, there is a third law in play here, and that is the duty to obey traffic signs, namely the one that says "Slower Traffic Keep Right". | | Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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scar
Posts:20

 | | 06/11/2008 6:19 PM |
Alert | Sorry, I forgot - Failure to obey traffic control device - The problem with that one is its only posted once (I think) - North of the RED light. Additionally, since 347 is not a controlled access highway (which I think it should be), people still have to use the left lane (referred to as the number one [#1] lane) to prepare for left turns. | | | |
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Jason
Posts:3378


 | | 06/12/2008 9:59 AM |
Alert | There's actually quite a few of those signs in both directions of 347.  | | Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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Winthorpe
Posts:16

 | | 06/12/2008 3:37 PM |
Alert | I tried something I rarely have ever done.........driving the posted speed limit. It took some getting used to, but it actually isn't bad. It only took me an additional 10 minutes to get to my destination, and I didn't have to worry about looking for police cars.
The best benefit is........MY GAS MILEAGE HAS INCREASED NOTICEABLY!! It's hard to beleive that driving only 10MPH slower, makes a difference on the gas gauge. Now it's quite pleasant and less hectic to leave 15 minutes earlier, be within the law, and get better gas mileage.
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BOB
Posts:299


 | | 06/12/2008 10:59 PM |
Alert | Posted By Winthorpe on 06/12/2008 3:37 PM
I tried something I rarely have ever done.........driving the posted speed limit. It took some getting used to, but it actually isn't bad. It only took me an additional 10 minutes to get to my destination, and I didn't have to worry about looking for police cars.
The best benefit is........MY GAS MILEAGE HAS INCREASED NOTICEABLY!! It's hard to beleive that driving only 10MPH slower, makes a difference on the gas gauge. Now it's quite pleasant and less hectic to leave 15 minutes earlier, be within the law, and get better gas mileage.
Cheers I agree 100%, I now set my cc to 59 instead of 69 and there is a noticeable change in mileage. Once I get past the RED light I set the cc crank up the tunes and roll! | | | |
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alanf
Posts:1473


 | | 06/13/2008 8:09 AM |
Alert | I now set mine to 55MPH on the 347. One thing to watch for when trying to save gas is your tachometer (if you have one). There will be specific points (if you drive an automatic) where your RPMs will be running faster at lower speeds. If I go 50 MPH my engine is turning at 1600RPMs, if speed up 1 MPH it drops to 1200 RPMs due to shifting into overdrive.
Just a tip for those trying to save gas. Also, make sure your tires are pressurized to the maximum rated for the tire (less surface contact, less rolling resistance). I also go into neutral as soon as I see a red light coming. My Grand Am was getting about 21MPG before I started paying attention. I filled up yesterday and averaged 27MPG (using AC in the afternoon and 2 hurried trips into town). I hoping to get 30MPG(but I might actually have to break down and get my O2 sensors replaced finally). | | | |
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Ebay1
Posts:127

 | | 06/13/2008 8:25 AM |
Alert | ARS 78-21
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/ars/28/00721.htm
Driving on right side of roadway; exceptions
A. On all roadways of sufficient width, a person shall drive a vehicle on the right half of the roadway except as follows:
1. When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction under the rules governing the movement.
2. When the right half of a roadway is closed to traffic while under construction or repair.
3. On a roadway divided into three marked lanes for traffic under the rules applicable on the roadway.
4. On a roadway designated and signposted for one-way traffic.
B. On all roadways, a person driving a vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall drive the vehicle in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
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bmw4242001
Posts:281


 | | 06/13/2008 9:31 AM |
Alert | I have to agree with driving slower. I set my cc to approx 65-68 mph. It has made such a difference. I have gone from filling up once a week to once every two weeks. I have also noticed that my road rage has decreased to ALMOST none.
By the way, to the girl in the older model white jeep on the 347 yesterday (6/12), I hope you are doing ok. I saw you spin out into the center median. Just be glad you didn't flip. Everyone needs to be careful out there!!! | | Proud Momma of 2 beautiful boys!!! | |
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Diesel05
Posts:44

 | | 06/13/2008 1:35 PM |
Alert | " set my cc to approx 65-68 mph. It has made such a difference. I have gone from filling up once a week to once every two weeks."
Good God how fast were you going before? I'm raising a big BS flag here! | | | |
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TwoBigDawgs
Posts:56

 | | 06/13/2008 1:49 PM |
Alert | I'm raising a big BS flag here!
Too funny!
Is it possible that using CC and reducing speed to 65 (?) will reduce fuel usage THAT much? How the heck can anyone use cc on the 347 anyway? I drive it 10 times a week and the traffic makes it impossible. Of course I'm driving durng peak hours... | | | |
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RichTig
Posts:0

 | | 06/13/2008 2:00 PM |
Alert | When I dropped from cc set at 70mph to 58-60mph, my mileage went form 42/44 to 50/52mpg. I also am on the the 347 at 4:30am and 1pm. So, I see very little traffic. | | | |
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geewiz
Posts:323


 | | 06/13/2008 2:09 PM |
Alert | 28-701. Reasonable and prudent speed; prima facie evidence; exceptions
A. A person shall not drive a vehicle on a highway at a speed greater than is reasonable and prudent under the circumstances, conditions and actual and potential hazards then existing. A person shall control the speed of a vehicle as necessary to avoid colliding with any object, person, vehicle or other conveyance on, entering or adjacent to the highway in compliance with legal requirements and the duty of all persons to exercise reasonable care for the protection of others.
B. Except as provided in subsections C and D of this section or except if a special hazard requires a lesser speed, any speed in excess of the following speeds is prima facie evidence that the speed is too great and therefore unreasonable:
1. Fifteen miles per hour approaching a school crossing.
2. Twenty-five miles per hour in a business or residential district.
3. Sixty-five miles per hour in other locations.
C. The speed limits prescribed in this section may be altered as authorized in sections 28-702 and 28-703.
D. The maximum speed provided in this section is reduced to the speed that is reasonable and prudent under the conditions and with regard to the actual and potential hazards then existing, including the following conditions:
1. Approaching and crossing an intersection or railroad crossing.
2. Approaching and going around a curve.
3. Approaching a hillcrest.
4. Traveling on a narrow or winding roadway.
5. A special hazard exists with respect to pedestrians or other traffic or by reason of weather or highway conditions.
E. A person shall not drive a motor vehicle at a speed that is less than the speed that is reasonable and prudent under existing conditions.
28-702.04. Maximum speed limit on interstate highways outside urbanized areas; definition
A. The speed limit for all types of motor vehicles is sixty-five miles per hour on the interstate system highways located outside of an urbanized area with a population of fifty thousand or more persons, except that the director may declare a lower speed limit on the highways pursuant to section 28-702.
B. A person shall not drive a motor vehicle at a speed in excess of the maximum speed limit prescribed by this section.
C. The director may order the increase of the maximum speed limit prescribed in subsection A of this section to seventy-five miles per hour on an individual interstate system highway subject to this section or on all of the interstate system highways in this state as prescribed in section 28-702.
D. A violation of this section is a civil traffic violation, and the person is subject to a civil penalty that does not exceed the amount provided by section 28-1598.
E. For the purposes of this section, "urbanized area" means an urbanized area as defined in the decennial census by the United States bureau of the census. | | | |
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umtech
Posts:143


 | | 06/13/2008 4:49 PM |
Alert | | for the last 2 weeks I have used the CC and set for 65 I stay in the right lane and find that pretty much no one else has been driving 65 at the times I do, they go around and do 70+ so its been kinda nice. That one change has netted us from 21 mpg on our santa fe to 26.2 and the extra 5-10 minutes drive is not an issue. In fact it was nice while cruising to actually notice the horses on the mesa today! | | | |
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WHAT?
Posts:50

 | | 06/13/2008 9:30 PM |
Alert | Slowing down saves gas. However, should you have the urge to pass, I say go for it. | | | |
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TortosaGuy
Posts:692


 | | 06/14/2008 3:45 AM |
Alert | | diesel...we will have to respecfully disagree with each other on this one.... | | *formerly known as inyrfce2* Senior Member Posts: 797 Joined: Dec 2006 | |
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AzSandSlinger
Posts:585


 | | 06/15/2008 8:13 PM |
Alert | diesel...how about paying attention to the speed limit signs as well...or do you selectively choose to follow only certain laws?
apples.. oranges..
the sign states clearly... "SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT"...
it does NOT state "IF YOU ARE GOING THE SPEED LIMIT THEN IT'S OK TO BECOME A ROLLING ROAD BLOCK"
It also does NOT state that the speed limit is absolute.. it's really simple.. if you are in the left lane.. and someone wants to pass you.. YOU are the SLOWER traffic no matter what speed you are going..
it's pretty clear here.. there are idiots who are infatuated with the "me, me, me" or "driving-mommy" mentality...
If you are in the left lane.. and someone wants by you.. why not move right and let them pass? .. Oh, ya.. because somehow it might mean your penis is smaller than their's, right?
It's called driver common courtesy.. anything less and you are no better then the douchebag your prohibiting from passing you.. end of story..
"me, me, me"... that is all it is if you're one of the idiot left-lane lounge-tards...
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sysadmin
Posts:127


 | | 06/16/2008 2:50 PM |
Alert | | What a bunch of morons. Why don't you try and mind your own bussiness and stop trying to force your own opions on every one else. | | | |
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TortosaGuy
Posts:692


 | | 06/16/2008 3:15 PM |
Alert | | AZ....both people have a "me me" attitude....and thats human nature that will never change...and while you say the speed limit isnt absolute...nor are the signs that say to drive in a specific lane....rules are meant to be broken...i find it silly to worry about which ones people choose to follow...people will do what they want | | *formerly known as inyrfce2* Senior Member Posts: 797 Joined: Dec 2006 | |
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