Kyouto42
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 | | 05/14/2008 7:56 PM |
 Alert | | The worst problem here are the morons that turn into CVS from eastbound smith-enke. There are two double yellow lines there... that means DO NOT CROSS. One of these days one of you morons will be rear ended if it hasn't happened already. Go down, and make a legal U-turn. It's easier, you don't stop the flow of traffic coming in from 347, and it takes you an extra 1-2 minutes. I wish the city would fix it by installing a concrete barrier like there should be there. Then again, I've watched the local PD do it without any lights or sirens on all the same. | | | |
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Jason
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| | 05/14/2008 8:41 PM |
Alert | I do not cross the double-yellow lines but given the number of times that I have nearly been hit making a u-turn, I will make a legal stop with my turn signal in the left lane so I can turn into CVS. The real idiots are the ones that designed that area with no turn lane. | |
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asugrl
Posts:233
| | 05/14/2008 11:46 PM |
Alert | Posted By Kyouto42 on 05/14/2008 7:56 PM
The worst problem here are the morons that turn into CVS from eastbound smith-enke. There are two double yellow lines there... that means DO NOT CROSS. One of these days one of you morons will be rear ended if it hasn't happened already. Go down, and make a legal U-turn. It's easier, you don't stop the flow of traffic coming in from 347, and it takes you an extra 1-2 minutes. I wish the city would fix it by installing a concrete barrier like there should be there. Then again, I've watched the local PD do it without any lights or sirens on all the same. It's risky, but I've done it. I wouldn't do it during rush hour traffic, though. I've always thought it was the worst constructed area ever, and I rarely go there because of it. Just the fact that there is just one entrance/exit annoys me. | | | |
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Kyouto42
Posts:20
| | 05/15/2008 3:03 PM |
Alert | Jayson, I've done it too if there is no traffic, no one behind me, and do not have to stop... but it's still not legal to turn there, turn signal or not.
Asugrl: You're absolutely right, the city is really at fault here. However one thing that would be easy to fix is to put a turn lane in from 347 NB. Then again, you'll get the same issue as across the street in the morning with people using it as a bypass for the turn... I swear AZ is no better than california now. | | | |
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Jason
Posts:3377
| | 05/15/2008 3:55 PM |
Alert | I may be wrong but I don't see any prohibition against a left turn there. There is no sign that says no left turns and the traffic laws:
28-751. Required position and method of turning
The driver of a vehicle intending to turn shall do so as follows:
2. Left turns. The driver of a vehicle intending to turn left shall approach the turn in the extreme left-hand lane lawfully available to traffic moving in the direction of travel of the vehicle. If practicable the driver shall make the left turn from the left of the center of the intersection and shall make the turn to the left lane immediately available for the driver's direction of traffic.
28-754. Turning movements and required signals
A. A person shall not turn a vehicle at an intersection unless the vehicle is in proper position on the roadway as required in section 28-751, or turn a vehicle to enter a private road or driveway or otherwise turn a vehicle from a direct course or move right or left on a roadway unless and until the movement can be made with reasonable safety. A person shall not so turn any vehicle without giving an appropriate signal in the manner provided by this article in the event any other traffic may be affected by the movement.
B. A signal of intention to turn right or left when required shall be given continuously during not less than the last one hundred feet traveled by the vehicle before turning.
C. A person shall not stop or suddenly decrease the speed of a vehicle without first giving an appropriate signal in the manner provided by this article to the driver of any vehicle immediately to the rear when there is opportunity to give the signal.
People have become accustomed to left turn lanes to make left turns but they aren't necessary. It is completely lawful to signal a left turn in the left most lane and come to a stop, expecting others to not rear-end you. If they do, it's entirely their fault.
In fact, if you go to downtown Phoenix, there are many roads where it is only two lanes in each direction with a double-yellow line and no u-turn signs all over the place (they're not even practical because the road is so narrow). | |
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Granny5X
Posts:359
| | 05/15/2008 8:08 PM |
Alert | CVS entrance is dangerous! That's why I use Walgreens and then cut thru the businesses to Cobblestone! | |
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shertex
Posts:990
| | 05/15/2008 8:31 PM |
Alert | | I am with you Granny!!! lol | |
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Granny5X
Posts:359
| | 05/15/2008 8:59 PM |
Alert |  yea, I got tired of messin' my depends while stopped there eastbound waiting to get rear-ended! And the bonus of going to Walgreens is--- THEY ARE CHEAPER THERE!!!! lol
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Jason
Posts:3377
| | 05/15/2008 10:42 PM |
Alert | Well, no joke, I've made plenty of stops to turn left in there. Only once was I almost rear-ended. Compared to well over a dozen u-turns where almost every one I was nearly hit head-on or in my passenger side door. I'll take my chances turning left.  | |
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pbuckles
Posts:40
| | 05/16/2008 10:10 AM |
Alert | Yes, the "small town feel" of Maricopa, bedroom community, nothing more, nothing less. | | | |
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pissedparent
Posts:153
| | 05/18/2008 12:38 PM |
Alert | Posted By shertex on 05/12/2008 8:14 PM
My gripe is...why do people-that I am guessing most live in maricopa- still use the 3rd lane that ends at CVS and this causes the huge backup from Fry's to get out of town. I spend an extra 15 minutes every morning for people that think they are too special to follow the signs and make a much smoother flow in the morning. You know the lane ends...GET IN LINE!  Okay rant over.
So you don't want anyone to use a use-able lane just because it will end at CVS and they will eventually have to merge? That is weird!
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pissedparent
Posts:153
| | 05/18/2008 12:42 PM |
Alert | Posted By RichTig on 05/08/2008 2:21 PM Have the HOA buy the streets and gate the community. Until then, stop bitching. The residents of Senita FLY through the Villages all the time to get to Frys or Smith-Enhke.
With all the residents who live in Senita, hardly anyone is on Butterfield Pkwy, and now with the light on JWP, there is no need to "fly" through VRED. Try blaming your own residents for speeding. | | | |
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RichTig
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| | 05/18/2008 1:20 PM |
Alert | I see those senita-people fly through VRED all the time. I am not 'blaming' anyone, just reporting what I see. And remember: Its better to be pissed off, than pissed on. Unless you are into that sort of thing. | | | |
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shertex
Posts:990
| | 05/18/2008 3:09 PM |
Alert | | Sorry pissedparent, must of come across wrong. It just seems stupid to have a merge lane when the merge is so short between 2 lights. Destined for a traffic jam. If traffic were moving it would flow and make sense. Yes, I always let people in with a smile. lol | |
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pissedparent
Posts:153
| | 05/18/2008 3:21 PM |
Alert | Posted By shertex on 05/18/2008 3:09 PM
Sorry pissedparent, must of come across wrong. It just seems stupid to have a merge lane when the merge is so short between 2 lights. Destined for a traffic jam. If traffic were moving it would flow and make sense. Yes, I always let people in with a smile. lol I just wish more people would move into the left lane so the cars can merge properly. I agree to about having the merging lane ending too soon...the lane should have been extended way past RED, once you are out of town then merge. | | | |
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CyndiWitczak
Posts:182
| | 05/19/2008 5:15 AM |
Alert | | I didn't live here when that intersection and CVS were opened, but I can tell you from what I know about intersections. The way the intersection was designed, it was with the development of the land North of CVS in mind. There was no need to make the merge lane longer because further down the lane it would have been a (right) turn lane into the shopping/retail area. People from anywhere other than Smith Enke could have gone North on JWP to turn in to the CVS. I don't think they knew that development was going to slow down (or almost stop) when they made that interchange, which is why they probably aren't ticketing people turning left there, and there are no "no left turn" signs. If that whole area were developed, the left turn wouldn't be an issue. I doubt CVS wants to front the cost of building the drive across the drainage when it will eventually be paid by whomever develops the rest of that corner. | |
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Jason
Posts:3377
| | 05/19/2008 1:15 PM |
Alert | | You should have seen that intersection when it was first built. I drove it the day it was opened and there were no warning signs. You're going along and then all of a sudden, poof, the lane disappeared. | |
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