thatperson
Posts:60
 | | 03/13/2008 11:45 PM |
 Alert | | sorry about the multi post. I was caught up in the faster is better culture....the post didn't appear fast enough | | | |
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thatperson
Posts:60
| | 03/13/2008 11:49 PM |
Alert | | Maybe fatal accidents did not occur more. however, considering that accidents did increase by 166% it translates into millions of dollars in insurance claims that most certainly increases premiums for drivers fast and slow. | | | |
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 03/13/2008 11:54 PM |
Alert | Huh? The rate of fatalities, injuries and collisions dropped following the repeal. Raw numbers of accidents is not relevant. | |
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asugrl
Posts:583
| | 03/14/2008 1:52 AM |
Alert | Posted By thatperson on 03/13/2008 11:13 PM
My question is " Whats the hurry"? I miss the good old days in New York where the speed limit is 55 in most places. Not only is the speed limit more reasonable, but the State Police do a great job enforcing it. If you speed it is most likely because you are an unsafe driver or late for something. If you are late then leave earlier. If you are an unsafe driver then you are the reason speed limits are needed anyway. What is really interesting is that the people that blow past me are waiting at the lights when I slowly get there. It is sad that it takes a few fatal accidents a year to prove that the fast nutty drivers are wrong and the slow safe drivers are right. I pray everytime I take my kids to Chandler that one of you nuts doesn't kill me and my kids. Quit complaining about your unability to drive dangerously!
Yeah, I know the feeling. I always pray that one of you nutty slow drivers doesn't slow down everyone around you because you can't understand simple traffic etiquette. I don't care if you're slow. Unlike some slow drivers, I mind my own business and don't try to police everyone. Just stay in the right lane. If someone is tailgating you when do you that, at least you're not in the wrong. You are in the wrong when you travel the whole way in the left lane. Not everyone wants to spend their entire lives in traffic going 55 mph.
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asugrl
Posts:583
| | 03/14/2008 1:59 AM |
Alert | Posted By thatperson on 03/13/2008 11:30 PM
So you are admitting to enjoying driving fast. Should we wonder if you are trying compensate for a short coming? I'm a woman; does speeding mean I'm trying to compensate for something? I don't think speeding really says anything about you other than either you're in a hurry, or you just like to speed. I like going 80 mph; my car drives comfortably at that speed, and I can handle it. In fact, the only accidents I've been in involved inattentive drivers, both of whom rear ended me (two separate incidents). In one of the events, we were driving a mere 5 mph, if that, and she misjudged the amount of room she had. The other lady rear ended me going 45, not seeing the red light ahead of us because she was too busy smacking her kids around. Neither involved any speeding by any party, and most accidents I know of involved drunk driving, falling asleep at the wheel, or talking/texting on a cell, not just pure speed. | | | |
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shadow8031
Posts:134
| | 03/14/2008 6:59 AM |
Alert | | I think what everbody is saying is no matter what speed your driving stay in the right lane untill your ready to pass that sure would make for a nice ride | |
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Jason
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| 03/14/2008 9:24 AM |
Alert | Somebody gets it!  | |
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alanf
Posts:1473
| | 03/14/2008 9:47 AM |
Alert | | Only problem is that there is no law that requires it if you are travelling the speed limit. "Slower traffic stay right" doesn't mean jack when you are travelling the speed limit. Now if they incorporated the "stay right unless passing" signs.....then we'd have some teeth. | | | |
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 03/14/2008 10:33 AM |
Alert | There is no exception on those signs that says (unless you are going the speed limit). It says "Slower". This matches state law which says that if you aren't passing someone and you are going less than the flow of traffic, you must be in the right lane. It doesn't make any sense why people that go the speed limit insist on cruising in the left lane. They say it's all about safety, and yet they know that they are going to be passed on the right. Wouldn't they know that the safest thing is for people to pass on the left? | |
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missPolitick
Posts:644
| | 03/14/2008 11:21 AM |
Alert | Posted By alanf on 03/14/2008 9:47 AM
Only problem is that there is no law that requires it if you are travelling the speed limit. "Slower traffic stay right" doesn't mean jack when you are travelling the speed limit. Now if they incorporated the "stay right unless passing" signs.....then we'd have some teeth.  I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!
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alanf
Posts:1473
| | 03/14/2008 11:36 AM |
Alert | I won't argue the point any further than to say that AZ law on this has no teeth and everybody has room to try and interpret the law. I guarantee that if I were to drive 347 ALL the time in the left lane doing the posted speed limit (not below), I woulnd NEVER receive a citation. There can be no normal flow of traffic above the speed liimit. Anything above the speed limit is illegal. There is no exception for non-emergency vehicles. Safe and prudent ONLY applies to legal speeds. These are how I understand the laws and I'm just stating my opinions on everybodies foolish arguments here. Give the law teeth and the police can enforce it. Right now they can't do jack.
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 03/14/2008 11:56 AM |
Alert | I guarantee that if I were to drive 347 ALL the time in the left lane doing the posted speed limit (not below), I woulnd NEVER receive a citation.
True, but you could make a similar statement about running red lights in Maricopa. That doesn't mean what you're doing is right.
There can be no normal flow of traffic above the speed liimit.
Normal flow is normal flow. If the law had intended to mean that you could cruise in the left lane at the speed limit then it would have made the exception by specifically referencing the ARS section for speed limits. Instead it says, "flow" which a normal person would interpret as the speed of traffic at the time and place.
Anything above the speed limit is illegal.
True, but two wrongs don't make a right. It's hypocritical for someone to complain about the speed limit and then cruise in the left lane. And I can almost guarantee you no one goes exactly the speed limit all the time. | |
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Mommybrittany
Posts:250
| | 03/14/2008 12:09 PM |
Alert | | Has anyone watched that (Allstate?) commercial on TV - We are driving with our neighbors, our local cashier at the grocery store, the pizza delivery man... The simple fact of the matter is, not how fast you are going, but whether you are respecting the other drivers on the road. So your late for work - I didn't make you late, so why are tailgating me? I'm not saying I am a perfect driver by any means, because I definitely am NOT! Just think of who you are driving with on the road - Most of us who travel on the 347 on a regular basis live here! | | | |
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RichTig
Posts:0
| | 03/14/2008 12:18 PM |
Alert | Stay out of the left lane and I will promise not to tailgate you. Problem solved. Your welcome. | | | |
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caveman
Posts:1078
| | 03/14/2008 10:19 PM |
Alert | | Mommybrittany stop messing with your kids in the back of the car while others are trying to get to work. Just because you have kids and are an inattentive driver does not mean the rest of us should be late to work. | | | |
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geewiz
Posts:323
| | 03/15/2008 8:48 AM |
Alert | Posted By vinny on 03/13/2008 1:46 PM Posted By AuntieEm on 03/13/2008 1:33 PM What if you are going 80-90 mph in the left lane and cars are still passing you on the right?
if you are in the left lane traveling at anything lower than the speed of light and someone is passing you or behind you move to the right lane. speed has nothing to do with use of the left lane. If you aren't law enforcement, its not your job to monitor the speed of others. If you aer traveling at the speed of light or above society can make an exception for you, and you can travel wherever you want, when ever you want in whatever direction you wish.
A general rule of thumb; If you are in the left lane with no one in front of you, you are causing a problem. especially if someone is behind you. Even if someone is in the right lane traveling your speed, if no one is in front of you, you are the problem. if this is the case speed up or slow down and get in the right lane. | | | |
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geewiz
Posts:323
| | 03/15/2008 9:01 AM |
Alert | Posted By RichTig on 03/14/2008 12:18 PM Stay out of the left lane and I will promise not to tailgate you. Problem solved. Your welcome.
Don't tailgate me and I promise not to slam on my brakes. Leave earlier then you will be in front of me. Now problem solved.
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RichTig
Posts:0
| | 03/15/2008 2:35 PM |
Alert | I have more than enough brakes and driving skills to go around you, even when you are a jerk and slam your brakes on. Read the signs, if you can, and stay out of the left lane if you are the 'slower traffic'. Problem solved, yet again. | | | |
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shadow8031
Posts:134
| | 03/15/2008 3:34 PM |
Alert | | Maybe these people just can't read, we already no they can't drive | |
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thatperson
Posts:60
| | 03/15/2008 9:20 PM |
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I nominate richtig for the arrogant a-hole of the week award. No primary was needed | | | |
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