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| | Author | Messages | |
Grilladawg
Posts:219
 | | 12/18/2007 11:15 PM |
 Alert | Yeah, I love how you eat it up too.
The only mass paranoia I see is with the left and their fear of guns.
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| | drummer72
Posts:3886
| | 12/18/2007 11:27 PM |
Alert | Posted By Grilladawg on 12/18/2007 11:15 PM
Yeah, I love how you eat it up too.
The only mass paranoia I see is with the left and their fear of guns.
Zoinks!!!...chomp...chomp....chomp...just like Pac Man! | |
"Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:3446
| | 12/19/2007 7:56 AM |
Alert | How pathetic. I am not even a liberal and already labeled as such because I dare speak out about the Nazi regime in charge. I love stereotyping. I believe in someone's right to bear arms. I believe government should stay out of private business. I happen to like Bush Senior, just not his son.
You go on supporting giving all our hard earned tax dollars to rebuild future enemies of America and wonder why we are in a recession. You go on supporting democracy in countries when only 30% of people here even vote or understand the process. | |
"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | GilaGuy
Posts:789
| | 12/19/2007 5:58 PM |
Alert | Posted By JasonY on 12/19/2007 7:56 AM
How pathetic. I am not even a liberal and already labeled as such because I dare speak out about the Nazi regime in charge. I love stereotyping.
I'd agree with almost everything you said in the previous post, with the exception of the Nazi remark. Let's face it...Bush Jr has been a disappointment in many ways. But he and his cabinet are not Nazis.
(If they were, those of us that are disappointed with him would have been rounded up and gassed years ago.) | | | |
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| | beowulf
Posts:427
| | 12/19/2007 6:32 PM |
Alert | | Definitely didnt read the nine pages...But this is a response to the subject... I think we should be taught to defend ourselves especially when we live in a society where we are constantly victim's of brutal attacks. It is legal and lawful to own a firearm, so why not obey the law? On the other hand if you want to be a victim that is your right as well but don't push your cowardliness on to everyone... | | | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:1011
| | 12/19/2007 9:43 PM |
Alert | Recession? Jason, I know that you loath Bush Jr., and I agree that in some ways he has done a poor job, but to claim that the US is in a recession just to have another stick to beat him with makes you seem more of an ideolog than a reasoning person. And to call the administration a Nazi regime goes beyond the pale. Please do a little research about what a recession is ( rise in unemployment, drop in GDP,....), and for goodness sake read some 20th cent history. No honest observer, with any knowledge of the events of the 1930s and 1940s could equate the Bush admin with Hitler's Nazi gov. The fact that you feel free to voice such an opinion is, in itself, proof that you are wrong and that even you do not believe it!
As to spending money to help rebuild former foes, I again refer to 20th cent history - rebuilding Germany and Japan into democratic allies took years and a lot of money. Money that was very well spent! | | | |
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|  | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 12/19/2007 10:51 PM |
Alert | but to claim that the US is in a recession just to have another stick to beat him with makes you seem more of an ideolog than a reasoning person.
Take a look around you and not just at the GDP for the technical definition of recession. Look at the prices of all of the things that are not measured in their basket. Prices are going up and businesses are hurting for money. The dollar is losing power to just about every major currency, we are importing so many more products than we used to and we are facing a major credit crunch thanks to Bush's "spend, spend, spend" speeches. The consumer is waking up to the fact that they can no longer run the country on so much credit and debt.
You have to face the fact that the basket of goods is manipulated to exclude things like fuel, medicine, etc. and that unemployment numbers also do not show the full measure of those that are unemployed.
If you want to look to things right around you, you can look at the fact that income has not been going up steadily, yet housing costs have, food, gas, utilities and all the other basics are. Yet, we have been spending in the past several years like there is no tomorrow, with what? Credit. That's coming back to bite us now.
Don't just take my word for it
But I don't agree with Jason's comparison of Bush to Hitler.  | |
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| | Grilladawg
Posts:219
| | 12/19/2007 11:08 PM |
Alert | Hmmm, you were never mentioned...just your "fear" input that brought me up on a rant...re-read what I wrote to you....I guess It's a guilty concious for you to think that it was all applied to you I guess. In reality, I was ranting about the far left, not...Jason is a liberal.
But alas....usually the far left...wait a minute, in fact...THE ENTIRE FAR LEFT love to make analogies to Bush Jr. being Hitler...Wow, is all I could say about that. Whatever point you were trying to make...you being a non-liberal, whatever...you just made yourself look more liberal than ever. Another thing, since when was Bush jr. a good speaker? I mean, wasn't Hitler very influential and a great speaker? I see the left love to bash how Bush speaks and what not, how dumb he looks when he talks, yet he's hitler?
If that was the case, like gilaguy said...a lot of the people (left, far left) and in fact, jews and everyone opposed to the Republican party would be long overdue for the gassing and ovens.
Last time I checked, Ted Kennedy and Nancy Pelosci and hollywood is still alive.
Also...Recession...HAHAHAHA!@!!!! Only the left would wish for this.....soooo much, just as they want to make everything look worse than things are.
Look at Black Friday and the numbers that rose....this year was the BEST outcome, better numbers...and not even higher gas prices, our housing market slump etc. couldn't offset what Americans truely do....go out, and enjoy themselves, freedom at it's finest....But, look at the news...the media, Newyork Times, WAshington Post....after Black Friday....even with the numbers looking great, the headlines read...."Shoppers lured in numbers by lucrative Sales," it goes on and on. NOTHING EVER POSITIVE? WHY? Why can't the leftist media group report the real news for what it's worth...why couldn't they drop their agenda and say.."hey....look at this, numbers rose, shoppers bought and the numbers look great, our economy isn't that bad...." but the way they pitch this stuff to the sheeple is that were in such a bad recession that people are lined up at the soup kitchens.
Give me a freakin' break. And since when did Black Friday not ever have a sale? Please...don't make that excuse LEFTIST MEDIA. | | | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:1011
| | 12/19/2007 11:21 PM |
Alert | | Facts are pesky things. All of the rhetoric in the world will not change them. Unemployment is very low as is inflation. I know of no non-politicl economist who disputes this. Yes, we can all cherry pick some items that are much more expensive than in years past, but that does not change the facts. Also, one effect of a lower dollar is that imports are more expensive and will decrease as a result. At the same time our exports are cheaper and as a result are increasing. Which is why some nations have, for many years, artificialy kept the value of their money lower than it should be. China is a good example of such a nation. If, as you say, you think that we import more than we should (this is one area in which we agree -God help me!) you should be glad that the dollar is down. | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 12/19/2007 11:24 PM |
Alert | Look, I don't want a recession, but it is impossible to ignore rising fuel costs (32% higher than last year) and other retail prices, coupled with the sub-prime worries (that are now growing into general credit problems) and a weakening dollar. Argue with some sense, not attacking your opponent.
Here, I'll look it up for you:
Despite such good news from one big-box retailer, other indicators are decidedly less positive. In its analysis of the first 20 days of the holiday shopping season, beginning with Black Friday, MasterCard Advisors' SpendingPulse is reporting a 5.8% increase in consumer spending electronics--well below the 15% increase observed in the weekend following Black Friday.
"Not surprisingly, Black Friday's sales came in so strong that the pace was clearly not sustainable," the company says in its release. Gas prices--32% higher than last year--appear to be a factor. "Our spending data suggests that high gas prices and oil costs have had an impact on discretionary spending."
A key soft spot is clothing. While specialty apparel was up 0.5% compared to last year, women's apparel was down 5.7% while men's apparel was up 4.5%. And luxury goods took a tumble, falling 3.7% from the same period a year ago--although MasterCard expects jewelry purchases, typically made in the final two weeks of the season, to pick up. Excluding jewelry sales, it says, luxury goods sales are up 10.8% compared with last year's spending.
Source
Holiday Shopping Season Slowed after Black Friday
This year, clearly was not the best year. But hey, it's easier to attack your opponents (on a platform they aren't even on no less) than show real data. You want to talk about real data? Then talk about real data, not one day frozen in time.
S&P Downgrades ACA to Junk Status - Potentially costing businesses and governments billions of dollars
Morgan Stanley Posts $9.4 billion writedown and their first ever quarterly loss
Sallie Mae shares drop 21%, to a five year low
Fed provides $20 billion in short term loans due to credit crisis
Even Bush sees storm clouds You're not going to accuse Bush of leaning left are you?
US Home Foreclosures Surge in November
Growth slows for online holiday spending
Credit expert predicts consumer-led recession in 2008
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| | drummer72
Posts:3886
| | 12/19/2007 11:34 PM |
Alert | Posted By beowulf on 12/19/2007 6:32 PM
Definitely didnt read the nine pages...But this is a response to the subject... I think we should be taught to defend ourselves especially when we live in a society where we are constantly victim's of brutal attacks. It is legal and lawful to own a firearm, so why not obey the law? On the other hand if you want to be a victim that is your right as well but don't push your cowardliness on to everyone...
Not wanting to own a gun is not being a coward. | |
"Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | Grilladawg
Posts:219
| | 12/19/2007 11:39 PM |
Alert | But telling good people that guns should be outlawed and rallying behind that is.
That, is pushing something on someone....cowardice or not.....
You know where I stood with this, and I have invited you out to go shooting multiple times, I respect your oppinion and your belief....I don't push it on you, but what I truely want is the anti-gun freaks to quit pushing their agenda on me and other good people who want to defend their loved ones....it's their right, it's OUR RIGHT. | | | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3886
| | 12/19/2007 11:45 PM |
Alert | Ok, I understand. I've been more than willing to end this thread, since I started it. But, people seem to love debate.
I don't go out shooting with people that don't like Chicago mexican food. | |
"Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | Grilladawg
Posts:219
| | 12/19/2007 11:55 PM |
Alert | Never heard of Chicago Mexican food, but if I were to visit Chicago AGAIN, Mexican food would be at the bottom of the list while I splurge on an old fashioned Chicago Dog, or one of my favorites...the Italian Combo with the au jus sauce over the fresh baked bread, the italian beef over the italian sausage with hot and spicy peppers.
than the Chicago pizza pie....
One other thing Drummer, debate is when people are getting fueld and hurt over the internet. It's a debate to them....
on the other-hand
Discussion is at one's leisure and we all love to talk and post or what not. I like to look at this as a discussion  | | | |
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| | GilaGuy
Posts:789
| | 12/19/2007 11:57 PM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 12/19/2007 11:24 PM
Look, I don't want a recession, but it is impossible to ignore rising fuel costs (32% higher than last year) and other retail prices, coupled with the sub-prime worries (that are now growing into general credit problems) and a weakening dollar....
Until the economy quits expanding, we are not in a recession. The economy, while slowing considerably in recent months, has not contracted. It may yet do so (though I believe our sharp rise in recent exports will help counter that and soften the blow), but it has not done so yet, thus precluding the correct use of the term "recession." | | | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:1011
| | 12/19/2007 11:58 PM |
Alert | | We can all cherry-pick items to prove a point,but the economy is huge. Which is why we use unemployment, inflation, GDP, and other such tools to judge the health of the economy. By all these measurements we are NOT in a recession. This is not to say that there are not dangers on the horizon, some of the tax plans that have been floated by the left could cause real problems. The economy is cyclical and we have had a good run for many years, a recession will come in time ,but we are not in one now. All of the rehoric of the left, both political and in the media can not change the facts. Wishing it so will not make it so. | | | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3886
| | 12/19/2007 11:59 PM |
Alert | I stand corrected...for the 10th time....discussion it is.
Man, you're getting me hungry and it's making me cry....now that's a debate. | |
"Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3886
| | 12/20/2007 12:01 AM |
Alert | Posted By hastings1066 on 12/19/2007 11:58 PM
We can all cherry-pick items to prove a point,but the economy is huge. Which is why we use unemployment, inflation, GDP, and other such tools to judge the health of the economy. By all these measurements we are NOT in a recession. This is not to say that there are not dangers on the horizon, some of the tax plans that have been floated by the left could cause real problems. The economy is cyclical and we have had a good run for many years, a recession will come in time ,but we are not in one now. All of the rehoric of the left, both political and in the media can not change the facts. Wishing it so will not make it so.
This thread is about guns. | |
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| | STUDGLOVE
Posts:178
| | 12/20/2007 12:09 AM |
Alert | | i was thinking that to myself and wondering where it got off topic. | | | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:1011
| | 12/20/2007 12:23 AM |
Alert | Blame Jason! He started it! | | | |
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