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LadyAmalthea
Posts:86
 | | 07/31/2007 4:23 PM |
 Alert | *Heaves big sigh*...last time I checked, I was visiting Maricopa, circa 2006. Now I feel like I'm in Salem, Massachusetts circa 1692. I'm not so sure I want to move to a town where so many folk are willing to "pile more weight on Giles Corey's chest". Or hang without benefit of a proper trial - not one fueled by public hysteria.
Is this a sad testimony to Maricopa? Yes, but not in the way many are saying it is. I'd rather move to a town where due process and the "innocent until PROVEN guilty" rule applied, not one where everyone is so quick to judge people that most of them don't even know.
I don't know what happened; I wasn't there. I avoid the local pubs. But I do know that the incident happened when the firefighters were off duty, and I haven't heard of any charges being pressed, so...why do they have to lose their livelihoods? They put their lives on the line every day for the people of this city - I'd personally think they'd merit more than the loss of their careers over some dumb drunken incident. | |
"Ain't nothin' but a barn dance, sugar. Ain't nothin' but a round de round" - Sara Tidwell and the High Tops | |
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| | bberg
Posts:17
| | 07/31/2007 4:28 PM |
Alert | From the Arizona Republic....
Policy changes in works after bar brawl involving firefighters
http://www.azcentral.com/community/pinal/articles/0731cr-firefighters0801.html | | | |
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| | GilaGuy
Posts:789
| | 07/31/2007 10:49 PM |
Alert | Posted By LadyAmalthea on 07/31/2007 4:23 PM
But I do know that the incident happened when the firefighters were off duty, and I haven't heard of any charges being pressed, so...why do they have to lose their livelihoods?
Apparently, because one of them had some sort of past history, and because the other was in his probation period. A period during which any sort of "conduct detrimental" is grounds for termination. This is spelled out in graphic detail to all new public servants and people have been terminated off probation for far less, so there shouldn't be much surprise I suppose.
Either way, the latest word is that the two individuals "resigned," and were not "terminated" as such. I would imagine this may sit better with the general public, though that is just my own personal thought.
RAWTAZ, I don't think "pompous zealots" is an appropriate term for the people whose only quarrel was with the clear lack of accountability that was on display following the incident. The City sat on the information, finally confirmed it days after the fact, tied the hands of the Fire Chief when he attempted to fix the problem, and then relented after a week had passed. This was not exactly Maricopa's most shining moment.
Nobody here delights in this incident or in the punishments that became necessary as a result of it. But those who disagree with you do not deserve the dishonor of being branded as "zealots" just because they believe in integrity, accountability, and honor amongst those who serve on our dime. | | | |
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| | Shogun
Posts:332
| | 08/01/2007 7:49 AM |
Alert | Well Said Gila Guy! I hope the city learns from this incident.
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| | Marley
Posts:0
| | 08/01/2007 11:36 AM |
Alert | Tjtellez9 -
You need to educate yourself. Arizona is an employment at will state. An employer can fire an employee at any time and without cause. Likewise, an employee can quit at any time.
These firefighters have shown themselves to be immature. Even if you completely put the issue of the fight aside (which you shouldn't), they were behaving in an immature and disrespectful manner, by witness accounts, by using profane language in public and in front of children. And give me a break! Who picks a fight with someone because they were hitting on their girlfriend? Grow up!
Employers can and should fire employees for behavior that publically embarasses the employer. Especially when the employee's paycheck is paid for by the public. Public servants can and should be held to a high standard of conduct both on and off duty. Little kids look up to firefighters - - but shouldn't look up to these two Neanderthals.
Furthermore, the firing of these two has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not charges are filed against them. There's a difference between what is legally wrong and what is ethically wrong. A difference between what you CAN do and what you SHOULD do. And by the way, if no charges are filed against them they should count themselves extremely lucky they ONLY lost their jobs - - because the last time I checked assault is illegal.
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| | demonica
Posts:850
| | 08/01/2007 11:48 AM |
Alert | Posted By LadyAmalthea on 07/31/2007 4:23 PM
*Heaves big sigh*...last time I checked, I was visiting Maricopa, circa 2006. Now I feel like I'm in Salem, Massachusetts circa 1692. I'm not so sure I want to move to a town where so many folk are willing to "pile more weight on Giles Corey's chest". Or hang without benefit of a proper trial - not one fueled by public hysteria.
i find myself wondering what forum some people have been reading, because it certainly doesn't seem to be this one! the vast majority of posters here, myself included, were calling for investigation and statements to the taxpayers of maricopa. us who pay these guys every week. while there were a few calling for blood, they were a tiny minority. very different from your version of events. BTW, the "salem" witch trials occurred in danvers, massachusetts, not salem. if i am going to be accused as a witch hunter, i would appreciate you getting the facts straight! | | | |
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|  | alanf
Posts:1601
| | 08/01/2007 11:54 AM |
Alert | LMAO
Just checked out the signatures on the petition (no, I didn't want to sign it). Here's a classic endorsement for online petitions:
51. Smokey the Bear, Only you can prevent drunk and violent firefighters!, I'll eat them for you after they are fired!
this will get them back on the force  | | | |
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| | demonica
Posts:850
| | 08/01/2007 12:03 PM |
Alert | | potential future historical bonus: this could end up being known as "the mobile firefighter trials" rather than "the maricopa firefighter trials" due to inaccuracies in future history books, thus letting us all off the hook. although that would mean that mobile would end up with all the future tourist dollars, i mean, how many of you have ever even heard of danvers, MA? | | | |
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