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ravensnest
Posts:120

 | | 05/07/2008 9:14 PM |
Alert | | Personally, I thank Mr Haddad for answering my question. However i must be honest i will not consider voting for you. I simply cannot consider voting for someone who thinks a airport is the most important thing that they can do for this town.The other day i was spending 30 minutes trying to get from one side of town to the other in rush hour and i kept thinking these characters on the council are sitting having a meeting about a airport while the residents of this town are stuck in traffic. That alone shows how out of touch the council is from the people. | | | |
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| | NAHS79
Posts:15

 | | 05/08/2008 8:15 PM |
Alert | | My setiments exactly. A lucky one in all this is Joe estes. So if I were you Joe is don't give up your dayjob, cause in 2 yrs you to will be out too. Also, a little advice to the newly elected Ms. Griffin and soon to be elected Carl and Marvin to city council, do not forget who put you in that office. it is very clear that the majority of the residents here DO NOT believe that an airport should be high on the city food chain. Do not vote for that status quo or your time too will be short lived. There are WAY more pressing issues ofr this city. Thanks. See you on May 20th, a date that we will "clean the slate" | | | |
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| | anewman
Posts:668


 | | 05/09/2008 5:54 AM |
Alert | Posted By Kelly Haddad on 05/07/2008 3:07 PM Posted By anewman on 04/30/2008 6:47 PM
Well- lets see how this thread has gone-
There are over 10 serious topic questions that have been asked but not answered
The few that have been answered were done in roundabouts and conflicting statements to portray they are being answered but have actually been avoided
A few statements that go back on or attempt to cover previous statements
but mostly just typical political avoidance techniques have been used. You are correct about one thing though Kelly. Maricopa residents are educated- but obviously more educated than you thought because we can see exactly what you are trying to do here.
You have not answered any of the questions in my previous post but I am sure you will respond to this with your "Just a normal guy trying to do what is best for the community" slogan or "I am just 1 of 7" . You have posted no comments about what you will try to do specifically to change the current public perception- no agreements that what we feel is important and that you will address it. You have only really come on here to show some presence and hope to get a few votes because of it. You may have been a regular resident when you went in originally but that is no longer the case. Yes you are only 1 of 7 but you were elected to represent the people of this community- if you cannot fight the battle then we will get a different "1 of 7" in there to try.
I think the educated citizens can all tell you this thread has done more harm than good in your campaign for re-election. I know my voting options have decreased by one due to this thread. anewman, I am just curious...what am I trying to do here? I believe I have given some very specific answers. I am not trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. I joined this forum because I am in a campaign for re-election and I am trying to reach out to the community for support and suggestions on what needs to change. I chose to join the forum because it seems to be the one place where opinions are expressed freely and there is probably more political discussion here than any other place. By the way, I am just a normal guy trying to do what is best for the community, maybe you and the other posters can help me do a better job of it. Thanks KH First of all - hope you recover from surgery- never an easy thing. I am not going to go through the 6 pages and pick out the questions you haven't answered. To be honest- that is up to you. You are on here to get our vote right? In order to get my vote a representative should be able to read through this thread- realize the answers that have not been answered, see the areas where a similar question was answered in different ways, and then post a reply that addresses all of these issues. You say you are trying to do what is best for the city but you did not solicite information from the public on this site in regards to any of your previous decisions before you casted your vote. You were not even on here before the first vote- it is only after you did not get the votes for re-election and now weeks away from the second vote that you decided to advertise and create this thread. In addition to all of the questions that have not been answered I have one more. What information do you use to determine what is best for the city and its future before making your vote in council decisions. Please describe this in detail. | | "The jouney of life is as much in oneself' as the roads one travels"
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| | Kelly Haddad
Posts:41

 | | 05/09/2008 1:56 PM |
Alert | Posted By ravensnest on 05/07/2008 9:14 PM
Personally, I thank Mr Haddad for answering my question. However i must be honest i will not consider voting for you. I simply cannot consider voting for someone who thinks a airport is the most important thing that they can do for this town.The other day i was spending 30 minutes trying to get from one side of town to the other in rush hour and i kept thinking these characters on the council are sitting having a meeting about a airport while the residents of this town are stuck in traffic. That alone shows how out of touch the council is from the people. ravensnest, I can understand your frustration, believe it or not, I am completely aware of our traffic situation. Unfortunately, as I have stated before we have no control over the overiding problem, that being highway 347. The city and council are constantly utilizing whatever resources we have to figure out how to cure the problem, unfortunatley, it is going to take a great deal of time. Its seems we all want instant gratification and that is simply not going to happen. Regarding the airport, please keep in mind that that majority of the funding for the project are federal dollars, costing the taxpayers next to nothing. It is an investment in the future of Maricopa. We will not see a plane landing there for nearly 8 years; however, when that happens we will be leaps and bounds ahead of many other communities in reagrds to Economic Development. I do not think that it is the most important thing we can do for Maricopa, I think it is a wise thing to do. What I think is important is quality of life, parks and rec., and economic development...making Maricopa a place where one not only lives, where they work and play. Making the folks that live here feel like this is their HOME not wherre they lay their head at night. I hope that you will reconsider your views of me and really get to know who you are voting for. I have no agendas, no surprises, I simply want to do what is right and with continued dialogue I think you find that voting for me is the right thing to do. | | | |
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| | DesertDweller
Posts:2559


 | | 05/09/2008 8:21 PM |
Alert | "Regarding the airport, please keep in mind that that majority of the funding for the project are federal dollars, costing the taxpayers next to nothing. "
Where did those Federal dollars come from? | | Stupid should hurt!
Desert Dweller - Senior Member - Posts: 2982 - Joined: Feb 2006 | |
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| | gilbertglcn
Posts:213


 | | 05/12/2008 8:18 AM |
Alert | | Now, now DD, as usual, this is just another quote from a council person who thinks we all live in a vacuum, and don't realize we are also residents of the United States of America. Besides, there was no packet from Washington, D.C., on this for Kelly not to pick up, so who can blame the guy for not realizing, it is our tax dollars that go to projects like this. What do you expect, he can't even respond to most of the questions on this forum, which he started, we can't expect that he understands the workings of government. Not muc we can do about that - opps, wait a minute, isn't there an election coming up! Maybe I can do something - Clean the Slate in '08. | | | |
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| | Kelly Haddad
Posts:41

 | | 05/12/2008 9:19 AM |
Alert | Posted By DesertDweller on 05/09/2008 8:21 PM
"Regarding the airport, please keep in mind that that majority of the funding for the project are federal dollars, costing the taxpayers next to nothing. "
Where did those Federal dollars come from? DD, Great point. I stand corrected; however, would you rather they be invested in some other city or town or would you rather they at least make it back to where they came from? Thanks, KH | | | |
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| | RichTig
Posts:0

 | | 05/12/2008 9:54 AM |
Alert | Posted By Kelly Haddad on 05/09/2008 1:56 PM ravensnest, I can understand your frustration, believe it or not, I am completely aware of our traffic situation. Unfortunately, as I have stated before we have no control over the overiding problem, that being highway 347. The city and council are constantly utilizing whatever resources we have to figure out how to cure the problem, unfortunatley, it is going to take a great deal of time. Its seems we all want instant gratification and that is simply not going to happen. Which resources are being utilized to figure out how to cure the problem? Other than putting your feet up on your desk and saying 'it is out of our control', WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT IT ? I get that it isn't going to be fixed tomorrow. But what is in the works/planning stages to fix it LONG TERM? | | | |
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| | Kelly Haddad
Posts:41

 | | 05/12/2008 9:59 AM |
Alert | Posted By anewman on 05/09/2008 5:54 AM Posted By Kelly Haddad on 05/07/2008 3:07 PM Posted By anewman on 04/30/2008 6:47 PM
Well- lets see how this thread has gone-
There are over 10 serious topic questions that have been asked but not answered
The few that have been answered were done in roundabouts and conflicting statements to portray they are being answered but have actually been avoided
A few statements that go back on or attempt to cover previous statements
but mostly just typical political avoidance techniques have been used. You are correct about one thing though Kelly. Maricopa residents are educated- but obviously more educated than you thought because we can see exactly what you are trying to do here.
You have not answered any of the questions in my previous post but I am sure you will respond to this with your "Just a normal guy trying to do what is best for the community" slogan or "I am just 1 of 7" . You have posted no comments about what you will try to do specifically to change the current public perception- no agreements that what we feel is important and that you will address it. You have only really come on here to show some presence and hope to get a few votes because of it. You may have been a regular resident when you went in originally but that is no longer the case. Yes you are only 1 of 7 but you were elected to represent the people of this community- if you cannot fight the battle then we will get a different "1 of 7" in there to try.
I think the educated citizens can all tell you this thread has done more harm than good in your campaign for re-election. I know my voting options have decreased by one due to this thread. anewman, I am just curious...what am I trying to do here? I believe I have given some very specific answers. I am not trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. I joined this forum because I am in a campaign for re-election and I am trying to reach out to the community for support and suggestions on what needs to change. I chose to join the forum because it seems to be the one place where opinions are expressed freely and there is probably more political discussion here than any other place. By the way, I am just a normal guy trying to do what is best for the community, maybe you and the other posters can help me do a better job of it. Thanks KH First of all - hope you recover from surgery- never an easy thing. I am not going to go through the 6 pages and pick out the questions you haven't answered. To be honest- that is up to you. You are on here to get our vote right? In order to get my vote a representative should be able to read through this thread- realize the answers that have not been answered, see the areas where a similar question was answered in different ways, and then post a reply that addresses all of these issues. You say you are trying to do what is best for the city but you did not solicite information from the public on this site in regards to any of your previous decisions before you casted your vote. You were not even on here before the first vote- it is only after you did not get the votes for re-election and now weeks away from the second vote that you decided to advertise and create this thread. In addition to all of the questions that have not been answered I have one more. What information do you use to determine what is best for the city and its future before making your vote in council decisions. Please describe this in detail. anewman, To determine how I will vote on a particular agenda item, I study the background information provided in our council packets and wiegh the pros and cons of the staff recomendations against my personal views as well as views of family, friends, neighbors, anyone who contacts me regarding said items, etc. If this does not sufficiently answer the question, please let me know. Thanks, KH | | | |
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| | DesertDweller
Posts:2559


 | | 05/12/2008 10:06 AM |
Alert | Of course, given the choice, we would both probably rather that they not leave the area in the first place. As it is, you have to ask and show a need to get your own tax revenue back from the Feds and into your community, and then "qualify" in order to receive it. The fact that local residents are sending their money to the IRS means they have less to spend locally on goods and services.
While I don't like seeing federal grants sought after just for the sake of getting the money, I don't think the airport is such a bad idea. It has a lot of potential toward stimulating development, which will bring with it the hospitals and other services that people want. I think the City has done a tremendously poor job of explaining it to the residents, as they have with other issues like annexation and the downtown "slum/blight" improvement district. Most people, when they hear airport, don't consider the industries that won't locate without regional air service or the fact that Maricopa competes with other municipalities for the presence of these industries. There is going to have to be an effort at public education in order for this to ever receive community support.
This leads to the issue of transparency, which has been bantered about a lot. My definition of transparency is that the government states to its constituents what it intends to do, and then does what was stated. It should explain accurately why projects and programs are necessary and not try to "spin" the issue for political advantage. A statement that the proposed airport was a project that would primarily be federally funded and provide Maricopa with a tremendous advantage over other nearby communities to attract new industrial and commercial development would go a long way toward gathering community support. | | Stupid should hurt!
Desert Dweller - Senior Member - Posts: 2982 - Joined: Feb 2006 | |
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| | Kelly Haddad
Posts:41

 | | 05/12/2008 10:16 AM |
Alert | Posted By RichTig on 05/12/2008 9:54 AM Posted By Kelly Haddad on 05/09/2008 1:56 PM ravensnest, I can understand your frustration, believe it or not, I am completely aware of our traffic situation. Unfortunately, as I have stated before we have no control over the overiding problem, that being highway 347. The city and council are constantly utilizing whatever resources we have to figure out how to cure the problem, unfortunatley, it is going to take a great deal of time. Its seems we all want instant gratification and that is simply not going to happen. Which resources are being utilized to figure out how to cure the problem? Other than putting your feet up on your desk and saying 'it is out of our control', WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT IT ? I get that it isn't going to be fixed tomorrow. But what is in the works/planning stages to fix it LONG TERM? Rich I apologize if it comes across as if we are putting our feet on our desk and throwing our hand in the air, that could not be further from the truth. We are in constant contact with GRIC and ADOT to make sure they do not forget about us. As of 2 years ago, Maricopa was not on ADOT's radar, as of today they understand our issues as does the Governor and are hopefully working toward a solution. That solution may not come soon, but it will come. As I have said from the beginning, I am a realist and I refuse to make a promise that I can't fulfill just to get you to vote for me. Thanks KH | | | |
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| | Kelly Haddad
Posts:41

 | | 05/12/2008 10:22 AM |
Alert | Posted By DesertDweller on 05/12/2008 10:06 AM Of course, given the choice, we would both probably rather that they not leave the area in the first place. As it is, you have to ask and show a need to get your own tax revenue back from the Feds and into your community, and then "qualify" in order to receive it. The fact that local residents are sending their money to the IRS means they have less to spend locally on goods and services.
While I don't like seeing federal grants sought after just for the sake of getting the money, I don't think the airport is such a bad idea. It has a lot of potential toward stimulating development, which will bring with it the hospitals and other services that people want. I think the City has done a tremendously poor job of explaining it to the residents, as they have with other issues like annexation and the downtown "slum/blight" improvement district. Most people, when they hear airport, don't consider the industries that won't locate without regional air service or the fact that Maricopa competes with other municipalities for the presence of these industries. There is going to have to be an effort at public education in order for this to ever receive community support.
This leads to the issue of transparency, which has been bantered about a lot. My definition of transparency is that the government states to its constituents what it intends to do, and then does what was stated. It should explain accurately why projects and programs are necessary and not try to "spin" the issue for political advantage. A statement that the proposed airport was a project that would primarily be federally funded and provide Maricopa with a tremendous advantage over other nearby communities to attract new industrial and commercial development would go a long way toward gathering community support. DD, Once again, very good point and one promise that I can make is to be an advocate of the people and make sure that transparency exists to the fullest degree from now on. I agree that we have not done a great job of being transparent, and if elected, I promise that will change. Thanks KH | | | |
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| | gilbertglcn
Posts:213


 | | 05/12/2008 10:35 AM |
Alert | "one promise that I can make is to be an advocate of the people and make sure that transparency exists to the fullest degree from now on. I agree that we have not done a great job of being transparent, and if elected, I promise that will change.:
Mr. Haddad - you are currently on the council, so why haven't you changed this already? You could have done this already, but the only time you have chosen to speak was the appointment of the new comissioner. Why haven't you spoken up before? | | | |
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| | CleanuptheCopa
Posts:77

 | | 05/12/2008 11:36 AM |
Alert | DD, I agree that an airport COULD have a positive effect on development, but that is only IF it is planned, managed, and handled correctly. The problem is, that is a risky "if" that I believe the city needs to prove it can handle in a responsible way and so far the city has shown it is too inexperienced to handle a venture of this magnitude. My point is, true, Scottsdale did very well with their airport and realized big development from it, but had their airport been a failure, Scottsdale was stable enough to remain successful and established because it was that way before they pursued an airport. They were already a successful city and didnt have to rely on the airport to bring development. Thats not the case here. If an airport fails to succeed here we are not in the position to "carry" the tab for its operations and it will become a financial burden on our area. Our city just needs to mature a little more before pursuing an airport. I am not disagreeing with your view at all, I am just putting my 2 cents worth about why I am nervous about the airport deal. Now I know an airport is still 8-10 years away but we need to see some infrastucture improvements happening before too many people will get behind the airport I think. | | | |
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| | azcarcarrier
Posts:306

 | | 05/12/2008 8:11 PM |
Alert | Well Kelly I remember the first meetings in the farms and all the same guarantees with absolutely no plans or ideas how to fund this project. But again you voted to continue until it finally dawned on the council and staff , we can't snow them anymore, go to plan two, annex less maybe that will work, sorry that is about to go down like all your other projects, unsuccessful. Why did your fine budget staff hold off until the deal is almost gone to disclose the one million in revenue expected from the annexation area. Do you feel the city should spend let's say 50 per cent for public safety and 50 percent for real infrastructure and capital improvements each year, not one year and quit, a continuously since it has been stated a major ED corridor. Or is money going for salaries and bills created by staff? I enjoyed the budget dept. showing the one million on the screen, but just a brush off of capital expenditures for the area. Undecided , unfocused, and misleading concerning actual budget expenditures for the 09 fiscal period. Let's see Kelly 420 plus parcels divided by 1,000,000.00 comes to approximately 2200.00 dollars per parcel, did city staff communicate those numbers to the proposed annexation owners? Hope to here from you soon. | | | |
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| | PKMet
Posts:244

 | | 05/14/2008 2:05 PM |
Alert | | Hey Kelly, can you get the council to vote to give me a couple hundred thousand so I get rid of the overpriced house I'm stuck in and get out of this fiasco of a city? You guys have a history of giving away a lot more of the tax payer's dollars, so I don't think this is an unreasonable request. Thanks. | | They are who we thought they were! | |
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| | gilbertglcn
Posts:213


 | | 05/14/2008 3:35 PM |
Alert | Kelly - Is it true that the budget manager, Corrine, was an accounting tech in her prior jobs? Is is also true she has never had a managerial job before Maricopa, and does not have any prior experience actually creating budgets before coming to Maricopa? If that is true, are you sure the picture provided is accurate?
Kelly - Is it also true that the City did not folow the proper procedure, or do the correct paperwork for the Fire Dept.'s staff public safety retirement, and as a result, the firefighters were never exempted from social security taxes when they came over to the city? As a public service employee, they can be exempted, but there is a process that the City must go through, so why was that not followed? Since they were exempt before they became city employees, why did the city not get this set up before you took over the fire dept? Is is true that due to that failure to go through the correct process that the City has had to pay over $1 million in extra wages to make up for the mistake? When was this, or when will this be resolved if that is the case? Is it true that the newer hired fire dept. staff are not exempt from social security taxes, and as a result have hundreds of dollars less in take home pay? | | | |
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| | luv the copa
Posts:185


 | | 05/14/2008 6:31 PM |
Alert | Meistersinger said: "No sense in playing, "He said...They said..." but 30+ people say you don't pickup your packet until late on the last day. None of them have any reason to lie." My question is what 30+ people do you know that works at city hall that has nothing to do but sit and watch who is picking up their packet and when, and then report to you. You must have a lot of spare time, too to be able to discuss this with OVER 30 people. I have picked up Joe's for him several times. I walk in and say "hi Kris...how are you? Can I get Joe's packet?" She gets it for me in less than 30 seconds and I don't see anyone else unless I go out of my way to say hi to a few people....but I NEVER see OVER 30 people ....let alone that many checking the calendar as I leave. You must really know the ins and outs of city hall and have some pretty good connections up there! | | Changing lives one diaper at a time since 1993. Trecia | |
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| | Granny5X
Posts:361


 | | 05/14/2008 7:18 PM |
Alert | Please tell me Kelly Haddad's vertical ad on the forum pages will go away after the election?!!!!! PLEASE!
Gotta say, Kelly, starting this thread was a pretty gutsy move. Good for you! No one else had the muster! | | "Your future is a rainbow of beautiful memories when you hold a dream in your heart" | |
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| | luv the copa
Posts:185


 | | 05/14/2008 9:00 PM |
Alert | They only go away if he is elected....vote wisely!! LOL
6 more days Granny, 6 more days! | | Changing lives one diaper at a time since 1993. Trecia | |
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