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LampLiteSniper
Posts:463


 | | 01/25/2008 5:53 AM |
Alert | | Let me put it this way, the Iraqis were fine before we got there, the truth be told they actualy liked Hussien and it's a fact, if they didn't why would they be plunging this guerilla war on our troops? Afghanistan was a foothold into Iraq, just as Iraq will be a foothold into Iran and so on. There are lots of people on here that believe what our biased media throws on the news every night. In the first four short years the President had turned our country from a prosperous nation at peace into a desperately indebted nation at war, that should have said something then boom he got elected again, it reminds me of when Nixon got impeached and then ran for office in the 1980 election, they did a poll survey and he won, the people had forgotton what a crook this POS was. It amazes me how much people like to live in fear these days and are willing to lay down their weapons, turn them over in exchange for words like "safety," democracy," and "terrorism." So what you say he is President, like it or leave it, yea yea yea, you think George Washington or Thomas Jefferson would say that? Or would they say change it? Hey Granny there's a really simple way I could change your mind on this, lets take one of your kids, throw him over in Iraq and lets spill his guts for "freedom." I bet that would change your opposition. | | | |
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| | GilaGuy
Posts:789


 | | 01/25/2008 5:58 AM |
Alert | Posted By caveman on 01/24/2008 5:07 PM Bush did lie and has changed our reason for attacking a number of times now. If you would like to debate politics I would love to engage you ...
How about actually engaging those with an alternative view? It has been shown to you that Bush didn't lie. He may very well have had bad information, or have selected information to base his decisions on which turned out to be wrong. But there is no evidence whatsoever that he deliberately used any information other than what his predecessors (the Clintons, et al) utilized to make his claim.
So did the Clintons also lie? Is everyone a liar except George Soros? Let's face it. The Bush-haters cannot have it both ways. They cannot, on one hand, call him the world's biggest imbecile while, on the other hand, claiming he pulled off a massive global deception with this event. It doesn't work that way, no matter how much you wish it were so. | | | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:3446


 | | 01/25/2008 7:27 AM |
Alert | dj, Your brothers in arms didn't die for nothing. You're a hero in my book bro. But leaving Iraq wouldn't mean we are running away. The people of Iraq are free, and they have the freedom to decide their leaders now. Maybe I am just dumb and not understanding why we are still there. If the people of Iraq can't stand up themselves after we have helped now for almost 6-7 years, what can be done? The terrorists in Iraq aren't even Iraqis I am told. When will the Iraqis get sick of these whackos and kick them the heck out? | | "My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:3446


 | | 01/25/2008 7:30 AM |
Alert | Posted By GilaGuy on 01/25/2008 5:58 AM Posted By caveman on 01/24/2008 5:07 PM Bush did lie and has changed our reason for attacking a number of times now. If you would like to debate politics I would love to engage you ... How about actually engaging those with an alternative view? It has been shown to you that Bush didn't lie. He may very well have had bad information, or have selected information to base his decisions on which turned out to be wrong. But there is no evidence whatsoever that he deliberately used any information other than what his predecessors (the Clintons, et al) utilized to make his claim. So did the Clintons also lie? Is everyone a liar except George Soros? Let's face it. The Bush-haters cannot have it both ways. They cannot, on one hand, call him the world's biggest imbecile while, on the other hand, claiming he pulled off a massive global deception with this event. It doesn't work that way, no matter how much you wish it were so.
The Clinton and Bush family have wrecked this country. Fiscal irresponsibility in both parties and corporate greed, leaving the common American worker poop out of luck.
| | "My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:3446


 | | 01/25/2008 7:33 AM |
Alert | Posted By LampLiteSniper on 01/25/2008 5:53 AM Let me put it this way, the Iraqis were fine before we got there, the truth be told they actualy liked Hussien and it's a fact, if they didn't why would they be plunging this guerilla war on our troops? Afghanistan was a foothold into Iraq, just as Iraq will be a foothold into Iran and so on. There are lots of people on here that believe what our biased media throws on the news every night. In the first four short years the President had turned our country from a prosperous nation at peace into a desperately indebted nation at war, that should have said something then boom he got elected again, it reminds me of when Nixon got impeached and then ran for office in the 1980 election, they did a poll survey and he won, the people had forgotton what a crook this POS was. It amazes me how much people like to live in fear these days and are willing to lay down their weapons, turn them over in exchange for words like "safety," democracy," and "terrorism." So what you say he is President, like it or leave it, yea yea yea, you think George Washington or Thomas Jefferson would say that? Or would they say change it? Hey Granny there's a really simple way I could change your mind on this, lets take one of your kids, throw him over in Iraq and lets spill his guts for "freedom." I bet that would change your opposition.
I agree with everything you say except that most Iraqis did hate Mr. Hussien and his whacked out sons. They were just powerless and scared to resist. But I'm with you on the other statements. Our past couple of presidents are no where near the quality of leaders our founding fathers were. | | "My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | LampLiteSniper
Posts:463


 | | 01/25/2008 7:40 AM |
Alert | | The only time I have ever heard an Iraqi talk bad about Hussien is when he was looking down the barrel of an American/Uk troops weapon, other than that it was durka durka durka Hussien es muy bueno. | | | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:3446


 | | 01/25/2008 7:44 AM |
Alert | Posted By hastings1066 on 01/24/2008 4:04 PM Posted By JasonY on 01/24/2008 9:41 AM A possibility........you are probably right. But that doesn't help the fact that we are still there and don't need to be. Saddam is dead and the people are able to vote for their leaders. Time to go. If they can't stop fighting amongst themselves that is their problem. They have cops now and an army. We didn't ask the French to hang out here after we kicked the poop out the British did we? The reason that Germany and Japan developed strong democratic governments after WWII was because we did not cut and run after the war was over. We stayed to ensure that the democratic governments that we helped organize survived. That worked out rather well. Lets hope that our troops, who have done a great job, can come home soon and leave a strong democracy behind. Lets all give thanks for the young men and women who do a hard and dangerous job so far away. Lets bring them home with honor, not the way I came home from Viet Nam.
Our troops are the best in the world, and each and every one of them served with honor. Anyone that thinks they didn't, especially this conflict, is an idiot. I'm sorry to hear that you had a bad experience when you came home. I had a uncle in Vietnam and another one in Korea.
I guess my view on wars is primitive. I like the old days, that when a country kicks the crap out of another one they don't rebuild it for them. Ya drop some bombs and say "all well, have a nice day". I fear that all this Iraq rebuilding is for naught, as they will listen to their local nut jobs when we leave and hate us all over again.
It makes me sick that this country pours all this money (that we don't even have) into other countries and yet there are homeless vets on the street. Or any homeless for that matter. I would rather give a million dollars to a homeless person on the street here in America then spend on some ungrateful country. At least maybe the homeless American will turn their life around.
| | "My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | djbaldwin
Posts:246


 | | 01/25/2008 8:23 AM |
Alert | | I agree with about half the stuff that is said. But I also know about half of Iraq was grateful to get rid of Saddam. In fact I know Iraqi's that are now living and working in the us legally since the war began that would tell a far more grateful story than the dems would tell you. The only problem is we have to basically retrain a country to stand up for itself because it has been ruled by fear for so long. But I do agree that fiscal irresponsibility has been the trademark of our last three presidents. It is sad to see no matter what party all the scandals and waste of our tax dollars. Ronald Reagan would be so angry with how his party has turned. I definitely don't agree with everything bush did. But I do support his plan for the war. General P has managed the war well. Also now that bush is going to start drawing back the troops and they will only be leaving the wire if the Iraqi's need our help things are looking up. But the problem is we can't just hurry and evacuate. They don't have the logistic capabilities yet to support themselves. But soon they will. They are starting to do most of their own patrols and running of the country. I don't think it will be much longer and our presence will be very minimal. But we can't just leave and hope they do well. We need to do a gradual drawback. | | "If everyone had the right priorities in life there would always be a shortage of fishing poles" Mark Twain | |
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| | LampLiteSniper
Posts:463


 | | 01/25/2008 8:30 AM |
Alert | | Of course the Hajis we gave a hall pass to and let move here are going to say they hate Hussien, totally different ballgame in their country. | | | |
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| | Granny5X
Posts:370


 | | 01/25/2008 11:20 AM |
Alert | Hey Lamp, I cannot think of a more important sacrifice. Dying so you can drive the 347 without National Guard Tanks slowing your commute, or have a pedicure when you want. I'ts called putting your life on the line for freedom that we all treasure. Change my "opposition"? NO! you are entitled to your "opinion" and me mine! Thank you for sharing | | "Your future is a rainbow of beautiful memories when you hold a dream in your heart" | |
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| | LampLiteSniper
Posts:463


 | | 01/25/2008 11:26 AM |
Alert | | Oh trust me granny, the time isn't too far off from tanks on your highway, but the people you will be fighting won't be these imaginary "TERRRRIST" ragheads that seem to be plotting to blow up America yet never succeed, it will be your own government. | | | |
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| | Granny5X
Posts:370


 | | 01/25/2008 11:52 AM |
Alert | I find it disturbing Lamp, that your words are: will be "YOUR" own government - YOUR highway, YOU will be fighting.
I thought this was OUR government, OUR highway, WE will be fighting
Who is YOUR government? Are you even an AMERICAN CITIZEN?
NEVER say NEVER. Ya just can't fix stupid.
| | "Your future is a rainbow of beautiful memories when you hold a dream in your heart" | |
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| | Grilladawg
Posts:219


 | | 01/25/2008 12:12 PM |
Alert | I know huh!!!! Those imaginary terrorists that flew those planes into the towers in New York. Give me a timeline when we'll see a convoy of soldiers and tanks on 347 fighting these imaginary terrorists ragheads? Hmmm, they've succeeded before...U.S.S Cole Anyone? 9-11 anyone? '93 world trade center bombing anyone? Tanzania and Kenya bombing from Al Queada anyone? I agree with you lamplite...the freakin' red neck right wing nut jobs think these incidents ACTUALLY TOOK PLACE...hahaha! The jokes on them huh buddy! Freakin' their government.....it's not our govt. It's their govt. in America....geeze.....doesn't anyone understand us lefties nowadays? I love how this whole nation is SOOOO SCARED and frightened by these terrorists that everytime I go to Fry's in Maricopa, I see it everywhere I go. People wearing bullet proof vests, people ducking and hiding, running from one aisle to the next hoping a bomb won't go off...oh, the buck doesn't stop here.....I mean, gas stations, pizza places, you name it!!!! Starbucks, don't get me started....were so scared in this country of Americans....I just so hoping that convoy of tanks is going to arrive on 347...... crosses fingers | | | |
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| | LampLiteSniper
Posts:463


 | | 01/25/2008 12:15 PM |
Alert | | Why yes granny I am a citizen and I have done my job far above the call, but I started seeing what YOUR government thought was important and it wasn't my guys, it was the missions, the money, the intel, the hired bullshit. This country was once strong and can be again, but no granny this isn't my government, I don't support Bush or Cheney, I don't support big money ties to US Senators, Congressmen, Presidents/Vice Presidents, I don't support the Patriot and Victory Acts that your president has placed upon this great nation, I don't support the banning of firearms, I don't support trading my freedom for patriotism, and last but not least I don't support foreign policy and globalists. I have my reasons and my skeletons with the US government, but I am no longer an expendable slave to them. | | | |
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| | Grilladawg
Posts:219


 | | 01/25/2008 12:24 PM |
Alert | Don't support banning of firearms either....probably one of the things I agree with you about. Until I see this misrepresentation of directed funds by Cheney and Bush that the left have called out sooo much, have tried sooo hard to find every little thing to impeach and imprison anybody in the Bush administration....still, nothing found. I' know Hitlary and Howard Dean and the likes would LOVEEEE TO FIND THIS more than anyone else....but, still...nothing. btw: lefties want to ban guns and change our 2nd amenedment, the redneck righties want to keep it. | | | |
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| | Granny5X
Posts:370


 | | 01/25/2008 12:24 PM |
Alert | WOW!!!!! I think you should take a bow!!! Did you just say bulls---? Naughty Little Sniper. Bad manners- no soup for you!!!! | | "Your future is a rainbow of beautiful memories when you hold a dream in your heart" | |
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| | Grilladawg
Posts:219


 | | 01/25/2008 12:32 PM |
Alert | I just came back from Ace Hardware....all the wood and every type of material like nails, and the tools are gone. I think, once the fog moved into Maricopa this morning....these terrorists were using this as some kind of cover. I think everyone here is preparing for another attack!!!!!
Watch out folks!!! | | | |
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| | Granny5X
Posts:370


 | | 01/25/2008 12:33 PM |
Alert | | AMEN Grilladawg! Yea, Sniper actually has a view I can say I agree with. Let's be clear though- So far just the one view! | | "Your future is a rainbow of beautiful memories when you hold a dream in your heart" | |
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| | Granny5X
Posts:370


 | | 01/25/2008 12:39 PM |
Alert | I will make a run into Chandler and pick up shotgun shells, and bullets for my 357 mag. Anyone need anything else!
I hope I can get back before the tanks close the 347! Is there another route in or out of this redneck town in case they beat me to it?? | | "Your future is a rainbow of beautiful memories when you hold a dream in your heart" | |
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| | LampLiteSniper
Posts:463


 | | 01/25/2008 1:02 PM |
Alert | | Head over to the depo, I need an AT4 and a couple of Javelins. | | | |
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