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CliffinAZ
Posts:451
 | | 10/11/2007 10:11 AM |
 Alert | | BTW JHall, are you really British? I've seen drummer72 mention that a couple of times. Just curious. | | | |
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| | jhall
Posts:1351
| | 10/11/2007 12:44 PM |
Alert | | Yes, my mom is British and My dad is American and was in the Air Force so I was born there. We lived there for two years and have only been back to visit family.... sorry no accent. | |
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3886
| | 10/11/2007 12:45 PM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 10/11/2007 9:42 AM Posted By drummer72 on 10/10/2007 11:25 PM Posted By Jason on 10/10/2007 1:25 PM
As mentioned before, guns kill at a distance. So I think you'd pretty much be dead en route. Based on your responses, your argument is either falling like a house of cards or you're just apathetic. none of the above. No, it's the latter. Just like the "pro-choice Catholics" thread, you're willing to just let your opinion sit there instead of defending it. You have many different reasons presented why it is not a reasonable one in reality and you don't do anything but make comments like these. That is apathy. I'm sure many people would be interested in hearing a little research or factual data to support your opinion. Even if you haven't done your research, you're still entitled to it, but don't be surprised when people pull out tons of reasons why it is wrong.
I'd be happy to meet you for a beer and we can discuss guns further. | |
"Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | HiggsBoson
Posts:641
| | 10/11/2007 12:48 PM |
Alert | Posted By drummer72 on 10/11/2007 12:45 PM Posted By Jason on 10/11/2007 9:42 AM Posted By drummer72 on 10/10/2007 11:25 PM Posted By Jason on 10/10/2007 1:25 PM
As mentioned before, guns kill at a distance. So I think you'd pretty much be dead en route. Based on your responses, your argument is either falling like a house of cards or you're just apathetic. none of the above. No, it's the latter. Just like the "pro-choice Catholics" thread, you're willing to just let your opinion sit there instead of defending it. You have many different reasons presented why it is not a reasonable one in reality and you don't do anything but make comments like these. That is apathy. I'm sure many people would be interested in hearing a little research or factual data to support your opinion. Even if you haven't done your research, you're still entitled to it, but don't be surprised when people pull out tons of reasons why it is wrong. I'd be happy to meet you for a beer and we can discuss guns further.
I think we've made a love connection!
Thanks,
Higgs | |
Liberalism and capitalism address themselves to the cool, well-balanced mind. They proceed by strict logic, eliminating any appeal to the emotions. Socialism, on the contrary, works on the emotions, tries to violate logical considerations by rousing a sense of personal interest and to stifle the voice of reason by awakening primitive instincts.
-- Ludwig Von Mises | |
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| | CliffinAZ
Posts:451
| | 10/11/2007 1:05 PM |
Alert | Posted By jhall on 10/11/2007 12:44 PM
Yes, my mom is British and My dad is American and was in the Air Force so I was born there. We lived there for two years and have only been back to visit family.... sorry no accent.
Ahh.. I wished I had some family (that I knew) in Europe--so I'd have an opportunity to travel there every now and then.  | | | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3886
| | 10/11/2007 1:07 PM |
Alert | Posted By HiggsBoson on 10/11/2007 12:48 PM Posted By drummer72 on 10/11/2007 12:45 PM Posted By Jason on 10/11/2007 9:42 AM Posted By drummer72 on 10/10/2007 11:25 PM Posted By Jason on 10/10/2007 1:25 PM
As mentioned before, guns kill at a distance. So I think you'd pretty much be dead en route. Based on your responses, your argument is either falling like a house of cards or you're just apathetic. none of the above. No, it's the latter. Just like the "pro-choice Catholics" thread, you're willing to just let your opinion sit there instead of defending it. You have many different reasons presented why it is not a reasonable one in reality and you don't do anything but make comments like these. That is apathy. I'm sure many people would be interested in hearing a little research or factual data to support your opinion. Even if you haven't done your research, you're still entitled to it, but don't be surprised when people pull out tons of reasons why it is wrong. I'd be happy to meet you for a beer and we can discuss guns further. I think we've made a love connection! Thanks, Higgs
Once we get drunk, we can clean the guns. | |
"Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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|  | YZRacer
Posts:1653
| | 10/11/2007 1:10 PM |
Alert | we have a gun in our home. kept unloaded and securely locked up, for our safety and that of our children. Do I know how to use it? yes. Do I ever want to have to use it? NO. Would I use it if someone was breaking into my car? No, they can have the car. Would I use it if someone was holding someone in my family at gunpoint? Hell yes. Would I shoot someone? If there was absolutely no other way to protect myself of my family. Would I constantly think about the life I took? Hell yes. Would I grab our gun and walk down the street searching for someone to shoot? Hell no.
Not that I really added anyting to the conversation, but the whole "outlaw guns" thing drives me crazy. | |
If you can't spot the loser, it might be you
Senior Member
Posts: 665
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| | Copa Conscious
Posts:379
| | 10/11/2007 2:09 PM |
Alert | If owning a gun becomes criminal, then only criminals will have guns.
I keep a shotgun under the bed. It makes me sleep better at night.
The only way the government is getting my guns from me, is to pry them from my cold dead hands.(Thanks Charlton Heston) | | | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3886
| | 10/11/2007 2:16 PM |
Alert | Posted By Copa Conscious on 10/11/2007 2:09 PM
If owning a gun becomes criminal, then only criminals will have guns.
I keep a shotgun under the bed. It makes me sleep better at night.
The only way the government is getting my guns from me, is to pry them from my cold dead hands.(Thanks Charlton Heston)
Nyquil- helps me sleep at night.
You can thank the media to get everyone all paranoid about getting killed by some crazed meth addict while you're sleeping.
Does anyone know the odds of getting attacked in your home? I don't. | |
"Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | GilaGuy
Posts:789
| | 10/11/2007 2:50 PM |
Alert | Posted By drummer72 on 10/11/2007 2:16 PM
u can thank the media to get everyone all paranoid about getting killed by some crazed meth addict while you're sleeping.
Does anyone know the odds of getting attacked in your home? I don't.
About the same as having a fire destroy your house, which is to say it is a rather remote possibility.
All the same, that shouldn't prevent the smart individual from purchasing a fire extinguisher, should it?
Preparedness is an incredibly important concept, and goes hand-in-hand with personal responsibility. Ones inherent right and ability to defend oneself in the event of an attack is all part of that same rubric. | | | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:3446
| | 10/11/2007 3:44 PM |
Alert | | Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Of course, easy access to guns without proper background checks and training would be bad.... | |
"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/11/2007 3:49 PM |
Alert | Posted By GilaGuy on 10/11/2007 2:50 PM Posted By drummer72 on 10/11/2007 2:16 PM
u can thank the media to get everyone all paranoid about getting killed by some crazed meth addict while you're sleeping.
Does anyone know the odds of getting attacked in your home? I don't. About the same as having a fire destroy your house, which is to say it is a rather remote possibility.
The chances would skyrocket if meth addicts knew no one had a gun to defend themselves, right? | |
Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:3446
| | 10/11/2007 3:51 PM |
Alert | | Hammers, knives, baseball bats, and golf clubs make good home defense weapons too. | |
"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/11/2007 6:13 PM |
Alert | | Not if the meth addict has a gun. | |
Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | ken
Posts:548
| | 10/11/2007 9:55 PM |
Alert | This says it all....
MORE GUNS, LESS “GUN CONTROL,” LESS CRIME
The number of privately owned guns in the U.S. is at an all-time high (upwards of 200 million) and rises about 4.5 million annually. The number of gun owners is also at an all-time high. Almost half of all households in America have guns.
During the last decade, many “gun control” laws have been eliminated or made less restrictive. Forty states now have RTC laws. The federal waiting period on handgun sales ended in 1998, in favor of the National Instant Check, and some states thereafter eliminated waiting periods, purchase permit requirements, or other laws delaying gun sales. The federal “assault weapon” ban expired in 2004.
All states now have hunter protection laws, 46 have range protection laws, 46 prohibit local jurisdictions from imposing gun laws more restrictive than state law, and 44 protect the right to arms in their constitutions. Congress and 33 states have prohibited frivolous lawsuits against the firearm industry.
Since 1991, violent crime has declined 38% overall, to a 30-year low. Murder has decreased 43%; rape, 25%; robbery, 48%; and aggravated assault, 33%. | |
"Knowledge is often mistaken for intelligence. This is like mistaking a cup of milk for a cow." -- Unknown | |
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| | kaccy45689
Posts:3
| | 10/11/2007 10:48 PM |
Alert | | Ignorance is so embarrassing!! think of it people... gun laws are for people WHO OBEY LAWS!!! do you think any criminals will stop having guns because we make them illegal?? all gun laws will do is disarm us in our own homes so that criminals can break in with ease. and to the idiot who said.."bats make good home defense weapons too!" do you think a bat or a can of mace is going to stop a bullet?? | | | |
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| | MommaToni
Posts:1045
| | 10/12/2007 12:04 AM |
Alert | haha... I love how you guys give scary scenarios and it's about "enraged illegals and methed out mexicans" hahaha
sorry....
I think that tighter gun control is a must BUT if there is a will there is a way... if they want a gun there are many ways to go and get one. Just like every other illegal thing out there. I don't think they should be outlawed all together. I really don't think it would make much of a difference at least with most of them being registered there are ways to "keep tabs". There are many ways to take a persons life this is just one of the many that we find to hurt one another.
Chris rock's logic was sooo funny =) Good idea haha | |
Ppppppbbbbbbssssssssssttttttttt! | |
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| | jeeptj02
Posts:191
| | 10/12/2007 4:48 AM |
Alert | Weapon involvement in home invasion crimes
A. L. Kellermann, L. Westphal, L. Fischer and B. Harvard
Center for Injury Control, Rollins School of Public Health of Emory University, Atlanta, Ga 30322, USA.
OBJECTIVE--To study the epidemiology of home invasion crimes and determine the frequency with which firearms are used to resist these crimes. DESIGN--Prospective case series. SETTING--Atlanta, Ga (population 402,877). METHODS--Between June 1 and August 31, 1994; Atlanta Police Department reports were screened to identify every case of unwanted entry into an occupied, single-family dwelling. Cases of sexual assault and incidents that involved cohabitants were excluded. RESULTS--A total of 198 cases were identified during the study interval. Half (99 cases) involved forced entry into the home. The victim and offender were acquainted in one third of cases. A firearm was carried by one or more offenders in 32 cases (17%). Seven offenders (3.5%) carried knives. In 42% of cases, the offender fled without confronting the victim. Victims who avoided confrontation were more likely to lose property but much less likely to be injured than those who were confronted by the offender. Resistance was attempted in 62 cases (31%), but the odds of injury were not significantly affected by the method of resistance. Forty cases (20%) resulted in one or more victims' being injured, including six (3%) who were shot. No one died. Three victims (1.5%) employed a firearm in self-protection. All three escaped injury, but one lost property. CONCLUSION--A minority of home invasion crimes result in injury. Measures that increase the difficulty of forced entry or enhance the likelihood of detection could be useful to prevent these crimes. Although firearms are often kept in the home for protection, they are rarely used for this purpose.
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| | jhall
Posts:1351
| | 10/12/2007 7:26 AM |
Alert | | I guess I would be part of that 1.5% Anyone comes in my home to take my things or harm my family they are going to get two in the chest and one in the head faster than they can turn around and run. | |
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke | |
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| | jhall
Posts:1351
| | 10/12/2007 7:29 AM |
Alert |
If owning a gun becomes criminal, then only criminals will have guns.
I keep a shotgun under the bed. It makes me sleep better at night.
The only way the government is getting my guns from me, is to pry them from my cold dead hands.(Thanks Charlton Heston)
That makes two of us | |
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke | |
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