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| | Author | Messages | |
LetsFixIt
Posts:52


 | | 02/20/2008 3:36 PM |
Alert | | I wish there was a way to let you keep every dime you have. I would love to have you denied access to our government subsidized roads, airports, freeways, hospitals, schools, police, fire, food, energy, oil products, military and medical innovations! You could be a one man island! | | | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3886


 | | 02/20/2008 3:40 PM |
Alert | | Amen! | | "Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:1011


 | | 02/20/2008 5:28 PM |
Alert | Posted By LetsFixIt on 02/20/2008 3:36 PM
I wish there was a way to let you keep every dime you have. I would love to have you denied access to our government subsidized roads, airports, freeways, hospitals, schools, police, fire, food, energy, oil products, military and medical innovations! You could be a one man island! You purposely misstated my post. I objected to money being taken from me and being given to those who did not earn it. I made no complaint about paying for legitimate government expenses. If we are to have a meaningful debate,you should at least be honest. I will not put words in your mouth and would appreciate if you would not put words in mine. If your only recourse is to falsely attribute statements to me, what does that say about your argument? | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378


 | | 02/20/2008 6:44 PM |
Alert | There was no mis-statement. Extortion is extortion, whether or not you are getting a road out of it or police services or helping someone in poverty.
Why do you get to define what is legitimate or not? | | Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:1011


 | | 02/20/2008 7:41 PM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 02/20/2008 6:44 PM
There was no mis-statement. Extortion is extortion, whether or not you are getting a road out of it or police services or helping someone in poverty.
Why do you get to define what is legitimate or not? It's called free speech and democracy. I get to say what I think is a legitimate use of taxpayers money and you get to say what you think is a legitimate use. Then we have an election and the people voice their opinion and the majority wins. | | | |
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| | sysadmin
Posts:141


 | | 02/21/2008 8:53 AM |
Alert | | We are not a democracy in the USA. We are a Republic. Try to find in the constitution where it states we are a democracy. You won't find it. We are suppose to be a country ruled by law and not by man. | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378


 | | 02/21/2008 10:14 AM |
Alert | It's called free speech and democracy. I get to say what I think is a legitimate use of taxpayers money and you get to say what you think is a legitimate use. Then we have an election and the people voice their opinion and the majority wins.
Hmm...so the use of "extortion" was purely an appeal to emotion? | | Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:1011


 | | 02/21/2008 10:55 AM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 02/21/2008 10:14 AM It's called free speech and democracy. I get to say what I think is a legitimate use of taxpayers money and you get to say what you think is a legitimate use. Then we have an election and the people voice their opinion and the majority wins.
Hmm...so the use of "extortion" was purely an appeal to emotion?
No it was not. I do not habitually appeal to emotion in a political discussion. To extort means to obtain by force or threat of force. By definition, all taxation is based on extortion. If you do not pay, at some point you will be punished.We may not like to admit it,but all government is, and always has been based on force. If you break the governments rules (laws), you are punished. Before someone tries to put more words in my mouth, let me state that, we do need government, and government, to be effective, does need to use force from time to time. As Mao Zedong said,"political power grows out of the barrel of a gun". | | | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:1011


 | | 02/21/2008 11:04 AM |
Alert | Posted By sysadmin on 02/21/2008 8:53 AM
We are not a democracy in the USA. We are a Republic. Try to find in the constitution where it states we are a democracy. You won't find it. We are suppose to be a country ruled by law and not by man. To be more precise we are a democratic republic. We are a republic because our laws are made by representatives selected to do so. We are a democracy because we freely elect those people. A pure democracy is impractical when the population becomes larger that that of a small town. | | | |
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| | JasonY
Posts:3446


 | | 02/21/2008 12:00 PM |
Alert | | Hurray for mob rule! I'll bring my pitch fork! | | "My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black | |
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| | RichTig
Posts:0

 | | 02/21/2008 12:28 PM |
Alert | I'll bring the torches. | | | |
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