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Subject: Is Carl Dietrich a Candidate?
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JasonUser is Offline

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05/14/2008 10:11 AM Alert 
Posted By Cactus Rob on 05/14/2008 9:20 AM

Is Carl's silence on this forum the result of a disagreement with the owners or managers of this web site?

 

 

You'll probably want to ask Carl.


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05/14/2008 10:21 AM Alert 

I think the issues with this site go beyond the one issue represented here.  I think Kimberly was treated poorly on more than one occasion.  The banning is simplifying the issue too much.  Bottom line is Carl decided this was an organisation he couldn't endorse.   

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05/14/2008 10:32 AM Alert 

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LeonPotterUser is Offline

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05/14/2008 10:41 AM Alert 
Posted By Cactus Rob on 05/14/2008 9:20 AM

Is Carl's silence on this forum the result of a disagreement with the owners or managers of this web site?  I find it hard to believe, but that seems to be what posters are saying here!  

Up until his boycott, he was my favorite candidate!  But, if he is capable of holding grudges, doesn't that make him incapable of representing the citizens of Maricopa fairly and equally?.  

The lack of fair and equal representation by the City Council is the main reason I've been urging the citizens of Maricopa to "clean the slate".        

I don't believe it will hurt Carl much if at all. Those who know him and supported him before will support him still.  Those that didn't vote for the incumbents the first time around will try again to put different people on board. 

I  believe those who voted for Ms. Grisham will support  either of the two new City council seekers if they vote again in round 2.

On a personal level, anyone who supports breaking a rule and gets upset when it doesn't work out, would cause me to take a pause.  I'm not saying this happened here. I don't have any personal knowledge to any of it.


My answer is "NO" to Q#5 and Q#1.

Proverbs 22:7
The rich ruleth over the poor and the borrower is servant to the lender.
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05/14/2008 11:28 AM Alert 
Obviously the only people that know the full story is the Diedrichs and those that run this site- and even then they will only tell their version of it.

If you choose to let a fued betwen two private parties influence your vote- that is on you. I will however realize that people have a falling out at times and no longer agree on many levels. The Diedrichs were at one time a big part of this site. If they had a falling out than so be it- that only changes the relationship between them and this site. Not who they are as people.

Carl has been available at the Salsa Fest (the only one running for office with a booth)- around town, and by posting surveys and feedback on a different site- much like he use to do here.

Be your own person and do your own research- don't rely on privately owned websites -especially gossip on a forum- to make your voting decision.


"The jouney of life is as much in oneself' as the roads one travels"


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05/14/2008 7:19 PM Alert 
Posted By anewman on 05/14/2008 11:28 AM
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Carl has been available at the Salsa Fest (the only one running for office with a booth)- around town, and by posting surveys and feedback on a different site- much like he use to do here.

In fairness, Mr. Dunn had a booth at the Salsa Fest. I remember well, my 3 year old had us get another sticker.lol

My answer is "NO" to Q#5 and Q#1.

Proverbs 22:7
The rich ruleth over the poor and the borrower is servant to the lender.
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05/14/2008 7:22 PM Alert 
Posted By LeonPotter on 05/14/2008 7:19 PM

Posted By anewman on 05/14/2008 11:28 AM
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Carl has been available at the Salsa Fest (the only one running for office with a booth)- around town, and by posting surveys and feedback on a different site- much like he use to do here.

In fairness, Mr. Dunn had a booth at the Salsa Fest. I remember well, my 3 year old had us get another sticker.lol

 

My apologies- I must have missed it.

 


"The jouney of life is as much in oneself' as the roads one travels"


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05/18/2008 7:51 PM Alert 

We have learned a great deal about Carl Diedrich and his followers, unconcerned about real life conditions of Maricopa city citizens.  I personally think he is following the COH dogma and the need for the additional income of being a councilmen.  Just look at the off the wall information that I never knew about, just a gut feeling, and boom all kinds of ugly situations erupted.  Eanizer was constantly on the airwaves for funds, for what no real validation other than the money issue.  She is overboard in her support of the candidate regardless of the actual state of the candidate.  Again the COH deal brought up a question concerning it's need and Carl refused to comment.   He had a council packet and when asked how  it is secured it he just looked at me and smiled.  They seem to be blinded when it comes to real responsibility.  As a poor ole country boy businessman, I sure hate to deal with local companies that screw the businessman over.  I guess I still need to deal with Phoenix companies that can do the job right and on time. Carl since you didn't complete the job let alone on time, did you refund his down for your services.  Carl you are starting to assume the actions and results of other council members . 

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05/18/2008 8:04 PM Alert 

By the way Carl since you declare that you have no way to communicate on 85239.com please feel free to respond to my address:   azcarcarrier@yahoo.com  I expect to hear from you Sunday evening or early Monday at the latest concerning the questions I asked of you.

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05/18/2008 10:55 PM Alert 
OK azcarcarrier, I have one for you. There are four people running for two seats. You have been very vocal on the sins of the current council. Who would you recommend the people of Maricopa vote for? Why? You hve been calling for a changing of the guard, but now you seem to want to leave at least one of the councilmen in office.

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05/19/2008 7:27 AM Alert 

Chessman it is very  obvious that considering the whole picture we have only one viable candidate and must settle with the what is left to pick from. After looking at the three remaining question able ones I feel Kelly Haddad is the best choice.  As you are aware we cannot change anything now considering the selection process and or pool of candidates.  I expect Maricopa city to be run by  reputable business and civic minded people, not ones that have issues that could effect certain outcomes and decisions.  Unfortunately  qualified leaders are probably holding off until the fire is put out . 

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05/19/2008 8:14 AM Alert 
As far as the council packets are concerned, it is my understanding that since the information is public record, anyone can get a copy of the packet. Any item handled in executive session is not included in the packet, so that would be the only information that would at least until handled in a public vote, not be for the public record. So I guess my question is, why would Carl not be able to have a copy of the packet?

As I am still waiting on Kelly to respond to several of my questions, most importantly, why the city demoted the Police Chief from a council appointed position, to one that reports to the City Manager (which would have to be the case for the City Manager to be able to change the police chief's duties and responsibilities). Since he has chosen to ignore that, and many other questions, I have chosen to ignore Kelly as a candidate.

Again, as the council packet is not secret, anyone can have a copy. Other cities, even post their entire agenda, the memos, and information on their web sites. Is this just another example of Maricopa trying to keep information as much out of the public's eye as possible?
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05/19/2008 9:38 AM Alert 

Very good question concerning availability of the complete agenda for council meetings.  I have been in meetings and have no clue as too what, when, where, and why certain decisions are being made.  You are probably right they have one motive, no knowledge gives them the edge.  Gilbert did you asked any of the six remaining council members about the public safety question?

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05/19/2008 10:27 AM Alert 
They are all quite mum on the subject, which I do not think they realize can eventually be a problem. Since the Police Chief was selected by the council, and done so in a public meeting, that means the only way to handle any and all changes to his position are by the council. The line you will get back when asking about this is that the City Manager handles all city payroll issues, hiring issues, and promotional issues.
For the most part that is true, what the City Manager CANNOT handle, are issues pertaining to council appointees, of which the Police Chief was. The only way for the Manager to be able to do anything relating to the Police Chief, is at the direction of the council, after they vote on the matter (ie - the City Manager is directed to ensure the Police Chief gets at 5.25r raise, if the council voted on that, etc.) What the council seems to not understand is that they can't have it both ways - an appointed position and one that the City Manager can make determinations as to their job duties. If that were the case, then the City Magistrate would also fall under the City Manager, which cannot happen.
This is how ignorant our own current council is on these matters. They do not see that in handling things this way, they have done it wrong, but do not care.
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05/19/2008 11:17 AM Alert 

This a little off the thread for all the legal beagles, but I have always wondered where the city attorney is when these issues arise.  I would expect the attorney to "immediately" get with party or parties that are putting the city and its assets subject to litigation in any way shape or form.  It seems that a portion of the quote "screw=ups" could of been stopped before they got as far as they did. His budget amount is close to 250 thousands retainer and billing after that is exhausted.  I think a new city attorney to go along with Evans experience would go a long way in helping get the city out of a rut.   I guess the short of it is. if we are going to pay salaries and wages in the quote competitive city circles we should be getting a better bang for dollars spent.

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05/19/2008 11:19 AM Alert 

Posted By gilbertglcn on 05/19/2008 8:14 AM
As far as the council packets are concerned, it is my understanding that since the information is public record, anyone can get a copy of the packet. Any item handled in executive session is not included in the packet, so that would be the only information that would at least until handled in a public vote, not be for the public record. So I guess my question is, why would Carl not be able to have a copy of the packet?

As I am still waiting on Kelly to respond to several of my questions, most importantly, why the city demoted the Police Chief from a council appointed position, to one that reports to the City Manager (which would have to be the case for the City Manager to be able to change the police chief's duties and responsibilities). Since he has chosen to ignore that, and many other questions, I have chosen to ignore Kelly as a candidate.

Again, as the council packet is not secret, anyone can have a copy. Other cities, even post their entire agenda, the memos, and information on their web sites. Is this just another example of Maricopa trying to keep information as much out of the public's eye as possible?

 

gilbertglcn,

To answer your question regarding the police chief, it was not a demotion first and foremost.  Shortly after his appointment, it was determined that with all he was charged to do, it was a disadvantage to have to come to the council for every decision that he made  In fact, had we not passed the ordinance that he now reports to the city manger, you would probably still be waiting on a fully functioning and fully staffed department.  Therefore, the city manager did not have any directive from the council to appoint Chief Melvin as the Acting Director of Public Safety.  I hope this answers you question.

Thanks,

 

KH

 

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05/20/2008 4:57 PM Alert 
Kelly - What meeting did this vote occur? Also, you may want to tell the City Manager to update the City Code, as the code on the internet does NOT include any language as you indicaate. The Code posted for public view, clearly states that the Police Chief is a council appointee, and all staff hired must be approved by the council. (Chapter 4).

In addition, since the Minutes for the City do not go back beyond January of this year, I cannot verify what you are telling us. Isn't there a state regulation that all municipalities over a certain population have to have their agendas and minutes on their web page, and isn't that time frame longer than just back to January?
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