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HiggsBosonUser is Offline

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02/28/2008 12:59 PM Alert 

OK Drummer Im feeling a little sorry for you today, so here is an anti-McCain article for you:

Triumph of the Red-State Fascists

Every Republican I've spoken to is mystified that John McCain has sewn up the Republican nomination. For his entire career, he has been more statist on both domestic and foreign policy than even the typical Republican. He has been considered a "liberal," and not in a good sense. He doesn't share any of the values that are said to make up the Republican consensus on economics or culture or religion. His personal baggage is heavy and a mile long. He had no dedicated constituency within the party.

Of course I'm not talking to the run-of-the-mill Republican. There are vast hordes of these people who have never read a book and vote only by the most sordid political instinct known to man. McCain is their candidate. It comes down to one thing only: the simple-minded, unthinking impression that he is a war hero and, more than anyone else, has what it takes to smash the evil foreign peoples who want to kill us. In short, he appeals to the militaristic, nationalistic impulses of the base Republican base.

The real question is why that one issue would trump every other concern alive among Republicans. How is it that imperialist nationalism has come to trump every other issue?

Murray Rothbard used to tell the story of speaking to conservative and Republican audiences in the late 1950s and early 1960s. There would be large groups gathered for various talks on economics and politics. He would give a lecture on the problem of price controls, or protectionism, or high taxes. People really liked what he had to say. They would clap, and learn from his lecture.

Then he would sit down. At some point in the course of the conference, the appointed anti-Communist speaker would rise to the podium. He would decry the evil of Russia and its atheistic system of government. He would call for beefing up nuclear weapons and hint darkly of the necessity of war. He would end with an apocalyptic statement about the need for everyone to completely dedicate themselves to eradicating the communists by any means necessary. No talk of limiting or cutting government; quite the opposite.

So how would these people, who clapped for Murray, respond to the warmonger? Insanely, wildly, uncontrollably. They would stand and scream and yell and cheer, getting up on their chairs and putting their hands together high in the air. The applause would go on for five minutes and more, and the speaker would be later mauled for autographs. His books would sell wildly.

Meanwhile, poor Murray would stand there in alarm. How could these same people cheer both a call for liberty and a call for empire, and, most notably, give their hearts over to the maniacal nationalist while being merely polite to a call for the same liberty that had led this party to oppose FDR's domestic and foreign-policy? It was experiences like these that led him to write the most important dissection of the Republican party ever to appear: The Betrayal of the American Right. It is here that Murray engages in a deep, soul-searching look at his own role in red-baiting in the 1950s. He had hoped to use the anti-Communist movement to educate people about the need for freedom.

"It is clear that libertarians and Old Rightists, including myself, had made a great mistake in endorsing domestic red-baiting, a red-baiting that proved to be the major entering wedge for the complete transformation of the original right wing," writes Murray. Instead of supporting freedom, the anti-Communist movement ended up acculturating Republicans to the imperial mindset. The moral priority of crushing a foreign government trumped every other issue.

At the same time, the libertarianism of the GOP's domestic agenda was supplanted by a belief that "big government and domestic statism were perfectly acceptable, provided that they were steeped in some sort of Burkean tradition and enjoyed a Christian framework." Fiery individualism and radicalism were replaced by a longing for a static, controlling elite of the European sort. Liberty was washed away.

That was fifty years ago. Today the same priorities abound on the Right: first, nationalism and empire, and, second, longing for order in the domestic area. The switch from anti-Communist militarism to anti-Islamic imperialism was not difficult. They took a chapter out of Orwell, and merely changed the name of the enemy.

All of this laid the groundwork for McCain. Each Republican presidential contender has been worse than the last: Nixon and Reagan felt the need to endorse some libertarian themes in their campaigns, and even the two Bushes used limited government and anti–big government rhetoric. But that has evaporated, replaced now by the most virulent jingoism combined with domestic statism.

Many of my Republican friends criticize McCain as a leftist. I can see the point. But we ought not be too quick to believe that all forms of antilibertarian ideology are leftist. We need to recognize that there is a form of nonleftist statism of a very distinct kind. It is not socialist in the traditional sense. It believes in a corporate state, combined with protectionism and belligerence in foreign policy. The right-wing predecessors here are Mussolini, Franco, and Hitler, and the name of the ideology is fascism.

For more on this, see John T. Flynn's As We Go Marching. He listed some points of the fascist program. It is a form of social organization "in which the government acknowledges no restraint upon its powers," is managed by the "leadership principle," and in which "the government is organized to operate the capitalist system and enable it to function — under an immense bureaucracy." In fascism, "militarism is used as a conscious mechanism of government spending," and "imperialism is included as a policy inevitably flowing from militarism." "Wherever you find a nation using all of these devices," he wrote, "you will know that this is a fascist nation."

Republicans are prepared to push this agenda, altered to fit the American political context, in this election. Their number one tactic to retain power is impugning the patriotism of Barack Obama. It seems like a puzzle, but an opinion piece by William Kristol in the New York Times offers a clue into the basis of the Republican campaign. He first makes a big deal out of the fact that Obama used to wear an American flag pin on his coat, but now no longer does so. He drags this up as if to accuse him of disloyalty to the American cause.

It is hard to imagine a more brainless and low-level tactic than to harp on such things. It compares only to the periodic campaigns by Republicans on the issue of flag burning, as if whether a person burns a privately owned flag has any bearing at all on the well-being of the country. But then Kristol goes further into the depths of depravity by attempting to paint Obama's wife as guilty of treason for saying that she is proud of America "for the first time in my adult lifetime." By citing these words, he is implying that she is an America hater.

Now, what buttons is Kristol trying to push here? It is the now familiar fascist theme: loyalty to the nation state and its wars must be the first and only test of worthiness to serve in public office. Folks, this is a cloud no bigger than a man's hand that is very likely to mutate into a full storm. Sad to say, the Republican faithful, the same people that were stupid enough to vote for McCain, will probably go for it.

How I recall those heady days of the 1970s, when everyone said that the move of the neoconservatives into the Republican party portended a raising of the intellectual level. Quite the reverse. These people are taking things straight into the gutter, where they had already been tending since the late 1950s.


Liberalism and capitalism address themselves to the cool, well-balanced mind. They proceed by strict logic, eliminating any appeal to the emotions. Socialism, on the contrary, works on the emotions, tries to violate logical considerations by rousing a sense of personal interest and to stifle the voice of reason by awakening primitive instincts.
-- Ludwig Von Mises
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02/28/2008 1:01 PM Alert 

You need to attend the anti McCain rally that is held by VietNam vets that were in Hanoi with him downtown every year, quite the eye opener to this fearless leader.

HiggsBosonUser is Offline

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02/28/2008 1:23 PM Alert 
yes I've read about McCain's special treatment in Nam. He has cultivated an image of a maverick and war hero that doesn't quit match up to reality.

The Doctrine of Self Defense Voting I think gives the edge to McCain's fascism over Obama's socialism.

Thanks,
Higgs

Liberalism and capitalism address themselves to the cool, well-balanced mind. They proceed by strict logic, eliminating any appeal to the emotions. Socialism, on the contrary, works on the emotions, tries to violate logical considerations by rousing a sense of personal interest and to stifle the voice of reason by awakening primitive instincts.
-- Ludwig Von Mises
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02/28/2008 1:27 PM Alert 
Fear tactics at work once again..........

"My favorite health club is the International House of Pancakes" -- Lewis Black
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02/28/2008 1:43 PM Alert 

My buddies dad was in Hanoi with him after he got shot down, he can go on for hours about McCain, but to his defense, you can't really say what you would do in the situation unless you were there. Fearing for your life everyday is something most people in this country are not used to and not ready for unless you are already prepared to die.

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02/28/2008 3:26 PM Alert 
Posted By JasonY on 02/28/2008 1:27 PM
Fear tactics at work once again..........

 

Fascism and Socialism are both to be feared.

 

Thanks,

Higgs


Liberalism and capitalism address themselves to the cool, well-balanced mind. They proceed by strict logic, eliminating any appeal to the emotions. Socialism, on the contrary, works on the emotions, tries to violate logical considerations by rousing a sense of personal interest and to stifle the voice of reason by awakening primitive instincts.
-- Ludwig Von Mises
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02/28/2008 3:31 PM Alert 

We'll, if we  have a president that does his job, why should it scare you?


"Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves"
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02/28/2008 4:06 PM Alert 
Posted By LampLiteSniper on 02/28/2008 1:43 PM

Fearing for your life everyday is something most people in this country are not used to and not ready for unless you are already prepared to die.

But isn't that what all of the terrorism rhetoric has created here? Bush won the last election based on fear.

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02/28/2008 4:16 PM Alert 


Fearing for your life everyday is something most people in this country are not used to and not ready for unless you are already prepared to die.

But isn't that what all of the terrorism rhetoric has created here? Bush won the last election based on fear.

True that.  Fear


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02/28/2008 4:24 PM Alert 
Posted By LampLiteSniper on 02/28/2008 1:43 PM

My buddies dad was in Hanoi with him after he got shot down, he can go on for hours about McCain, but to his defense, you can't really say what you would do in the situation unless you were there. Fearing for your life everyday is something most people in this country are not used to and not ready for unless you are already prepared to die.

 

 

So living life in utter paranoia is better?

 


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02/28/2008 5:26 PM Alert 
Posted By caveman on 02/28/2008 4:06 PM
Posted By LampLiteSniper on 02/28/2008 1:43 PM

Fearing for your life everyday is something most people in this country are not used to and not ready for unless you are already prepared to die.

But isn't that what all of the terrorism rhetoric has created here? Bush won the last election based on fear.

 

True but what I'm talking about is everyday hearing how they are going to kill you, putting a gun to your head pulling the trigger never knowing if the VC are going to one day put a round in the chamber, putting bamboo through your arms and hoisting you from the ceiling snaping your collarbones, it's a different type of fear the VC put in the prisoners, sooner or later you will break.

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02/28/2008 5:27 PM Alert 
Posted By drummer72 on 02/28/2008 4:24 PM
Posted By LampLiteSniper on 02/28/2008 1:43 PM

My buddies dad was in Hanoi with him after he got shot down, he can go on for hours about McCain, but to his defense, you can't really say what you would do in the situation unless you were there. Fearing for your life everyday is something most people in this country are not used to and not ready for unless you are already prepared to die.

 

 

So living life in utter paranoia is better?

 Yes it must suck to be like you and know you're alone in this world with your thoughts, I don't feel for you though, I could really care less.

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02/28/2008 6:32 PM Alert 
Posted By caveman on 02/28/2008 4:06 PM

all of the terrorism rhetoric has created here? Bush won the last election based on fear.

Ridiculous.  Bush didn't win the 2004 election based upon fear...Kerry lost it based upon incompetence.  (When Democrats run a candidate like that, they deserve all they get -- and Republicans will feel that way as well after the poor choices they offered in the current election cycle.)

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02/28/2008 7:34 PM Alert 
And Kerry's biggest mistake was his disdain for our military example....



All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
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02/28/2008 7:43 PM Alert 
Posted By GilaGuy on 02/28/2008 6:32 PM
Posted By caveman on 02/28/2008 4:06 PM

all of the terrorism rhetoric has created here? Bush won the last election based on fear.

Ridiculous.  Bush didn't win the 2004 election based upon fear...Kerry lost it based upon incompetence.  (When Democrats run a candidate like that, they deserve all they get -- and Republicans will feel that way as well after the poor choices they offered in the current election cycle.)  


Meaning, Bush ran with the word "terror" causing fear. Kind of the same with Obama running with the word "change."

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02/28/2008 8:22 PM Alert 
Posted By Marni on 02/28/2008 7:43 PM
Posted By GilaGuy on 02/28/2008 6:32 PM
Posted By caveman on 02/28/2008 4:06 PM

all of the terrorism rhetoric has created here? Bush won the last election based on fear.

Ridiculous.  Bush didn't win the 2004 election based upon fear...Kerry lost it based upon incompetence.  (When Democrats run a candidate like that, they deserve all they get -- and Republicans will feel that way as well after the poor choices they offered in the current election cycle.)  


Meaning, Bush ran with the word "terror" causing fear. Kind of the same with Obama running with the word "change."

Thanks for letting us know that terrorism is just a word and that we have nothing to fear from terrorist. Lets go to NY and let the people in the Twin Towers  know that they are not dead.

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02/28/2008 8:36 PM Alert 
not to mention...

April 1983: 17 dead at the U.S. embassy in Beirut.

October 1983: 241 dead at the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut.

December 1983: five dead at the U.S. embassy in Kuwait.

January 1984: the president of the American University of Beirut killed.

April 1984: 18 dead near a U.S. airbase in Spain.

September 1984: 16 dead at the U.S. embassy in Beirut (again).

December 1984: Two dead on a plane hijacked to Tehran.

June 1985: One dead on a plane hijacked to Beirut.

After a let-up, the attacks then restarted: Five and 19 dead in Saudi Arabia in 1995 and 1996, 224 dead at the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in August 1998 and 17 dead on the USS Cole in Yemen in October 2000.

Simultaneously, the murderous assault of militant Islam also took place on U.S. soil:

July 1980: an Iranian dissident killed in the Washington, D.C. area.

August 1983: a leader of the Ahmadiyya sect of Islam killed in Canton, Mich.

August 1984: three Indians killed in a suburb of Tacoma, Wash.

September 1986: a doctor killed in Augusta, Ga.

January 1990: an Egyptian freethinker killed in Tucson, Ariz.

November 1990: a Jewish leader killed in New York.

February 1991: an Egyptian Islamist killed in New York.

January 1993: two CIA staff killed outside agency headquarters in Langley, Va.

February 1993: Six people killed at the World Trade Center.

March 1994: an Orthodox Jewish boy killed on the Brooklyn Bridge.

February 1997: a Danish tourist killed on the Empire State building.

October 1999: 217 passengers killed on an EgyptAir flight near New York City.

In all, 800 persons lost their lives in the course of attacks by militant Islam on Americans before September 2001 - more than killed by any other enemy since the Vietnam War.

but hey terrorism is just a plug word....

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke
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02/28/2008 9:49 PM Alert 
Thanks for letting us know that terrorism is just a word and that we have nothing to fear from terrorist. Lets go to NY and let the people in the Twin Towers know that they are not dead.


You're welcome. I am not going to live in fear the way Bush would like us to believe. If Bush is so concerened about terror, he needs to take action and close the border and invest in border securtiy.

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MarniUser is Offline

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02/28/2008 9:50 PM Alert 

but hey terrorism is just a plug word....


For Bush, yes, terrorism has become his plug word.


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MarniUser is Offline

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02/28/2008 10:08 PM Alert 
I didn't mean to come across as crass with those who have lost thier lives to factaul terrorism. It does exist. However, the way Bush throws that word around, it appears he wants us to live in fear.

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