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Marni
Posts:497
 | | 02/18/2008 5:56 PM |
 Alert | I am not one for socialized healthcare. I was only pointing out that drug manufactures, don't need to plaster products with drug names. It must be a huge waste of funds, to advertise that way. If the drug is truly that good, the doctor would prescribe it anyway, without all the adveritisment.
Although I do have an idea for healthcare, it might be a form of socialized healthcare, but it still makes the consumer in control. | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:872
| | 02/18/2008 6:39 PM |
Alert | Posted By Marni on 02/18/2008 5:56 PM
I am not one for socialized healthcare. I was only pointing out that drug manufactures, don't need to plaster products with drug names. It must be a huge waste of funds, to advertise that way. If the drug is truly that good, the doctor would prescribe it anyway, without all the adveritisment.
Although I do have an idea for healthcare, it might be a form of socialized healthcare, but it still makes the consumer in control. Socialiazed healthcare is by definition government controlled healthcare. There can be no such thing as consumer controlled socialism in any area. Thats like saying bankrobber controlled bank security. | | | |
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| | Marni
Posts:497
| | 02/18/2008 6:51 PM |
Alert | | Mmmkay. So have you heard of HSA's? | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:872
| | 02/18/2008 10:42 PM |
Alert | Posted By Marni on 02/18/2008 6:51 PM
Mmmkay. So have you heard of HSA's? If ,by HSAs ,you are referring to Health Savings Accounts that are set up so that you can save money advantageously to provide for your health care needs, you are not talking about socialized health care. This is your money that you save to pay for your health care needs. This is not socialism, the government is not making you health care decisions, you are. Socialism is the political/economic theory advocating government control (to a greater or lesser degree, depending on the country involved) of production, distribution, and exchange of goods/services. A rational argument can be made in favor of socialism (see some of drummer's posts for example) , it is a matter of opinion and preference. At least lets call things by their proper names, government control is socialism, consumer control is capitalism. | | | |
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| | Marni
Posts:497
| | 02/19/2008 4:44 PM |
Alert | I am just brainstorming here, kind of a scary thought sometimes, but what if this....
A HSA, that is funded in part by the government, much like your employer gives you money to help fund your FSA. You also fund the account with your OWN money. YOU pay out of YOUR pocket for medical expenses for when YOU need care. This makes you ask questions and be aware of what you are spending. You shop around for the best prices on prescriptions, maybe now people won't go to the doctor for every sniff, sneeze or cough. This could help stop using the ER as a family doctor. Knowing that you are responsible for paying could help people make better decisions and choices. It could also drive down prices of your typical healthcare costs. Prevantive care would be covered at 100% with no out of pocket costs. Maybe the governement could contract procedures at a discounted insurance rate, much like it is when you have "typical" insurance. Once you meet your deductible, government kicks in to pay for your care for the remainder of the year. If you don't spend all of your money in the account, it rolls over and you can earn interest on it. Much like your typical employee sponsored HSA works now, only the government is one who helps fund it.
This has a socialist tip to it, but at the same time a capitalism tip as well, no?
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| | hastings1066
Posts:872
| | 02/19/2008 5:11 PM |
Alert | When you say that at some point the "government kicks in to pay for your care" you are correct in calling that socialism. To be more precise, when you say government you should replace that word with taxpayers. Remember, the government only has that money that it extorts from taxpayers or borrows. Where will the billions needed for such a program come from? Who will pay for the people who refuse to pay for an HSA. It is an interesting idea however. | | | |
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|  | Marni
Posts:497
| | 02/19/2008 5:44 PM |
Alert | When you say that at some point the "government kicks in to pay for your care" you are correct in calling that socialism. To be more precise, when you say government you should replace that word with taxpayers. Remember, the government only has that money that it extorts from taxpayers or borrows. Where will the billions needed for such a program come from? Who will pay for the people who refuse to pay for an HSA. It is an interesting idea however.
Honestly, I don't know where the money would come from, tax credits? Pre-taxed income? I was just brainstorming and was thinking along the lines of the HSA employee type programs that "typical" insurance is moving towards, which is the HSA. I was only brainstorming ideas...on how we could drive down costs. We could drive down costs, if consumers were more aware of what things cost and made smarter choices when it comes to our health. | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3528
| | 02/19/2008 6:04 PM |
Alert | We can have our costs drivin down,if the pharmaceutical companies would quit raping us.
I just don't understand how companies can put a price on ones life/health.
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"Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | LetsFixIt
Posts:42
| | 02/19/2008 6:16 PM |
Alert | Question?
For all of you right wing Republican so called Christians that keep name calling people who want to take care of the sick... saying that if we try finding a way to get health care for all Americans is Socialism;
Didn't Jesus and God tell us, the strong, to take care of our poor and sick?
Am I missing something here?
If taking care of our sick and poor is Socialism, I pray we find it! | | | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3528
| | 02/19/2008 6:20 PM |
Alert | Best thing you ever said,Letsfixit.
The Republicans seem to believe that Jesus was a Republican himself.
As we all know, Republicans only care about themselves and others with money.
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| | LetsFixIt
Posts:42
| | 02/19/2008 6:31 PM |
Alert | Yes, we should stay the course and keep profiting off the sick! Yes to higher dividends on my Pharmaceutical and Insurance stocks and.....Dare anyone that try helping serve the sick, shall be labeled and known as a Socialist! | | | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3528
| | 02/19/2008 6:34 PM |
Alert | | That would be me, your friendly neighborhood commie! | |
"Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:872
| | 02/19/2008 7:31 PM |
Alert | Posted By LetsFixIt on 02/19/2008 6:16 PM
Question?
For all of you right wing Republican so called Christians that keep name calling people who want to take care of the sick... saying that if we try finding a way to get health care for all Americans is Socialism;
Didn't Jesus and God tell us, the strong, to take care of our poor and sick?
Am I missing something here?
If taking care of our sick and poor is Socialism, I pray we find it! First, calling plans for government controlled health-care socialism is not name calling. It is simply calling it what it is. If you are not familiar with the term, look it up, do not take my word for it. Those who propose such systems refer to it as socialized health-care. Second, using the term "name calling" insinuates that a person using the term socialism to describe something is being insulting. This is not accurate. Referring to a policy as socialist is not an insult, it is simply accurately describing a political/economic system. If you feel that being called a socialist is an insult, that speaks more your political beliefs than anyone Else's. When you call those who disagree with you right-wing republicans and so-called Christians, who is guilty of name calling? One would hope that an intelligent discussion on such an important issue could take place without such foolisness. | | | |
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| | LetsFixIt
Posts:42
| | 02/20/2008 10:27 AM |
Alert | | So please tell me how do those of you who identify yourselves as right wing Evangelical Christians plan on taking care of the weak and sick? | | | |
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| | LetsFixIt
Posts:42
| | 02/20/2008 1:06 PM |
Alert | | The silence is deafening! | | | |
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| | RichTig
Posts:0
| | 02/20/2008 1:11 PM |
Alert | God will provide for them, if they accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior. If they starve or die from being sick, then they didn't accept Jesus Christ as their personaly savior OR it was GOD'S PLAN for them to die OR they were heathens and didn't deserve to be saved and are in HELL now. Hallelujah! Amen! Praise JESUS! | | | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:872
| | 02/20/2008 1:20 PM |
Alert | Posted By LetsFixIt on 02/20/2008 10:27 AM
So please tell me how do those of you who identify yourselves as right wing Evangelical Christians plan on taking care of the weak and sick? First, who are you talking to? Name the people on this forum who identify themselves, to use your words, as 'right wing Evangelical Christians'. Second, Why is it my responsibility to take care of someone who is not a member of my family? If you wish to do so, go ahead and do so, that is your right. What gives you the right to insist that I have to join you. If I wish to help others I can do it by contributing to a church or charity. I do not need the government to extort money from me ,that I earned, to give it to someone who did not earn it .If anyone other than the government did that it would be called robbery. | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 02/20/2008 2:15 PM |
Alert | I do not need the government to extort money from me ,that I earned, to give it to someone who did not earn it .If anyone other than the government did that it would be called robbery.
LOL! That's the government's job, take money from its citizens to do things that the citizens want (at least, in theory). Inevitably, some citizens won't agree. Your analogy also works this way:
If anyone other than me goes to the bank and withdraws my money, that's theft!
Of course it is! That's how it's supposed to work! | |
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| | hastings1066
Posts:872
| | 02/20/2008 2:23 PM |
Alert | LetsFixit - The silence is deafening!! | | | |
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| | LetsFixIt
Posts:42
| | 02/20/2008 3:27 PM |
Alert | Posted By hastings1066 on 02/20/2008 1:20 PM Posted By LetsFixIt on 02/20/2008 10:27 AM
So please tell me how do those of you who identify yourselves as right wing Evangelical Christians plan on taking care of the weak and sick? First, who are you talking to? Name the people on this forum who identify themselves, to use your words, as 'right wing Evangelical Christians'. Second, Why is it my responsibility to take care of someone who is not a member of my family? If you wish to do so, go ahead and do so, that is your right. What gives you the right to insist that I have to join you. If I wish to help others I can do it by contributing to a church or charity. I do not need the government to extort money from me ,that I earned, to give it to someone who did not earn it .If anyone other than the government did that it would be called robbery. | | | |
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