Posted By Marni on 02/16/2008 2:13 PM

First of all there are already laws against overcharging the federal government, in fact Merck just agreed last week to pay $650 million to settle a suit that they ripped off Medicaid. If you Google Medicare/Medicaid lawsuits/settlements you will see this happens all the time, so what is Hillary going to do, pass "super laws"? Imagine the level of this fraud if all Americans were on a government insurance plan. Most of us get our insurance from work, we know what our costs/co-pays/limits are, and what our payments are, its not like the insurance company can do the same thing to us as they do to the government, i.e. false billing, changing prices, etc.  Insurance companies may suck, but replacing them with a government run insurance company will suck just as much.

 People like Hillary and Obama are experts at pandering, they say things that sound reasonable on the surface to many people, but if you do a little research and think logically and rationally about what they are saying, it’s mostly FUD designed to scare people into voting for them.

Certainly there are problems with our health care system, but anyone who thinks handing over management of it to the government is going to give us better AND cheaper health care is lying to themselves.

Posted By drummer72 on 02/16/2008 1:02 PM
Where's the negative parts?

Drummer - You ask "where's the negative" about the Hillary plan. Lets take a look at just one small part of it. When talking about insurance companies she states that she will set things up so that they will have to provide you with insurance "even if you have a pre-existing condition..... no questions asked". Wow! So one could go without insurance until you need a heart transplant and then force an insurance co. to pay for it. Where do you think the $100,000s will come from? You and me and all of the others who pay for insurance will foot the bill.

In another section she talks about forcing energy cos. to invest in areas that she approves of. Think about this , all companies in the US are owned by individuals. A major power co. must have 100,000s or millions of investors and you think that government bureaucrats should be telling those people where to invest there money. Why not? After all they do such a good job managing the governments finances.

We must remember that all businesses are owned by investors, sometime millions of them. When a politician talks about taxing  an industry I am reminded of what a prof told us in an economics class many years ago. He said that there is no such thing as a tax on business. He went on to say that a business tax is, in reality, a tax on people that the government forces business to collect (by higher prices and lower dividends). Lets remember that the government makes much more money (taxes) on each gallon of gas than the oil co does. People are so brainwashed that most never even think about complaining about the governments cut, we just complain about the oil co. because it acts as the governments tax collector.

Still don't think it's anything negative. I've had 48% of my paycheck taken by the government in Denmark for 6 years. I thought it was worth all the benefits I received for it. I'm tired of trying to stick up for my socialistic views when you guys refuse to understand where I'm coming from.
Ok, who want's to be the first to tell me to go back? Been there,done that! Someone please respond with some originality and wit?

Still don't think it's anything negative. I've had 48% of my paycheck taken by the government in Denmark for 6 years. I thought it was worth all the benefits I received for it. I'm tired of trying to stick up for my socialistic views when you guys refuse to understand where I'm coming from.
Ok, who want's to be the first to tell me to go back? Been there,done that! Someone please respond with some originality and wit?

"None are so blind as those who will not see".

Of course, everyone is a victim right? The elderly, the young, minorities, the poor, the working poor, the disabled, the middle class, all victimized by evil rich corporations. The only way we can all be saved is if the government steps in and manages our lives, for our own good.

Drummer, why do you think you can’t manage your own life without the government being involved in every aspect of it?  Do you have that little faith in yourself?

Thanks,

Higgs

Thank you for admitting this. Of course its not you, it’s all those stupid poor people that couldn’t possibly get by without smarter people, like your hero, to take care of them. This goes beyond who just needs help, it’s about freedom and personal responsibility, two things you don’t want these people to have.

I have no problem at all with you or anyone having an opinion, but that doesn’t mean I have to agree with you.

Thanks,

Higgs