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JoeMan
Posts:64

 | | 02/15/2008 11:40 AM |
Alert | I've been attempting to approach the local elections with an open mind. But I've got to say, my mind is made up on one race. The junk that is posted on Godsey's website and in the newspapers has made it easy. Who would vote for someone who: 1. Didn't even consider running until Jan. He said it wasn't on his mind until then. I don't want someone in that office who says it was a second thought. I want someone who says it was his first thought and met the deadline. 2. Has no city experience. This guy has done nothing in our city to show us who he is. He could say anything and he has nothing for us to see to support it. 3. Appears to have no creative ideas of his own. By the way he posts things on his website, it looks to me that he waits until Mayoral Candidate Smith answers a question (give Smith koodos for being out there in the public answering questions), then Godsey finds a way to word it into a negative. I don't believe Godsey is giving us the whole story. The city has lots of room for change and improvement. All of the candidates are saying that. It is not a new idea that Godsey has. The only creative things he has on his website is the development of a new social department. | | | |
| | Sinbad
Posts:3046


 | | 02/15/2008 12:00 PM |
Alert | well..
I need to ask you about this...
What about Smith? Isn't it his church that is sleeping in bed with the city on that land project for 15 acres? This deal sounds shady too...
It was a Buy all 15 acres or none deal. The developer gets a tax break for selling the 15 acres to the Church and then the city can buy the 10 acres that the church doesn't need. Why didn't the city just buy the land upfront from the developer if the park needed to become larger? I thought the city did a population growth study before the park was built and determined that the park was to be built to it's current size?
So.. I thought that we were trying to get away from these type of political figures.
Hey.. I am just saying!
I haven't decided yet on whom to vote for.
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Community of Hope Church has announced plans for a proposed multipurpose community and worship center which it will build on five acres adjacent to land tentatively earmarked to become part of Pacana Park.
Lisa Akers, the church’s children’s director and wife of Lead Pastor Rusty Akers, said on Wednesday that the church remains in escrow with El Dorado Holdings to purchase the acreage as part of a 15-acre deal. The remaining 10 acres are on the Feb. 19 City Council agenda for consideration as being part of a tentative deal that would incorporate them into Pacana Park at a cost of $70,000 per acre __________________________________________________________________
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| | JoeMan
Posts:64

 | | 02/15/2008 12:24 PM |
Alert | I don't know the specifics, but I've talked with people. Rather than rely on gossip, I called several people.
First, some background on that property. The Mormon church wanted it, but they only wanted 3 acres. The owners said 'No'.
Second, the city offered to buy it a couple times. The owners said 'No'.
The COH church was offered the land by the owner. But it was all 15 acres or nothing. The church wanted to keep all 15 acres, but that was quite expensive. What church in Maricopa could afford that, besides the catholic church (which I go to) or the Mormon church, who only wanted 3 acres. When the church (COH) was figuring how to make the purchase, the city found out that they were offered the land. They called and asked to buy 10 acres.
Smith was not a part of negotiations. He is open and honest about that on his website. Go read it.
I can also tell you, if all that I was told is true, COH will not be making any profit off the sell to the city. Especially if you consider the money they had to spend to aquire the land including fees. This truly is a good deal for the city. Even though I go to the Catholic church, I'm glad to see another church in town who has the best interest of the community.
Also, as you read by one of the posters on the most recent article, the COH building will not be funded or supported by the city in the least. Their 5 acres, is their 5 acres, totally unrelated to the city.
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| | JoeMan
Posts:64

 | | 02/15/2008 12:35 PM |
Alert | Let me give you another reason why Godsey is not a candidate to be trusted.
He has on his website, a comment that you can't trust the city, because they only give you half the story. Yet Godsey is doing the same thing.
I talked with several of the other council candidates about the City/Candidate meeting that was this past Monday. It was open to the public, I wished I would have gone.
Anyway, a couple of the council candidates said, regarding the mayoral candidates, that Godsey did not ask one question on his own. Mayoral Candidate Smith asked many good questions, the city would answer, THEN Godsey would join in with follow-up questions.
I'm sorry, but when I heard that, I knew... I want a mayor who will be able to think of the right questions on his own. Not only follow ups to someone else's questions.
Also, they said that Mayoral Candidate Smith asked the city if they had considered a Communication Plan. According to those who were there, the new city manager, told the transportation director, a communication plan would be an excellent idea. They (the council candidates I spoke with) said the new city manager also said, if any candidates has good communication ideas, the city would listen. He also said that they currently use the media and their website. But the point being, the city manager did say 1) that a communication plan was a great idea (Smith's idea) and they were open to other suggestions.
However, if you read Godsey's website, he makes it look like the topic of communication was his question, when in reality, he was asking follow-ups to Smith's. He also makes is sound like 'town halls' are Smith's only communication idea. He doesn't tell you that a communication plan is a plan that has many, many different aspects to it, such as communication to media, televised communication, website communication, pre and post event communication, etc.
See Godsey is only giving you a piece of the whole story. That was all I needed to hear to make my decision. | | | |
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| | ken
Posts:532


 | | 02/15/2008 12:48 PM |
Alert | Posted By Sinbad on 02/15/2008 12:00 PM
well..
I need to ask you about this...
What about Smith? Isn't it his church that is sleeping in bed with the city on that land project for 15 acres? This deal sounds shady too...
It was a Buy all 15 acres or none deal. The developer gets a tax break for selling the 15 acres to the Church and then the city can buy the 10 acres that the church doesn't need. Why didn't the city just buy the land upfront from the developer if the park needed to become larger? I thought the city did a population growth study before the park was built and determined that the park was to be built to it's current size?
So.. I thought that we were trying to get away from these type of political figures.
Hey.. I am just saying!
I haven't decided yet on whom to vote for.
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Community of Hope Church has announced plans for a proposed multipurpose community and worship center which it will build on five acres adjacent to land tentatively earmarked to become part of Pacana Park.
Lisa Akers, the church’s children’s director and wife of Lead Pastor Rusty Akers, said on Wednesday that the church remains in escrow with El Dorado Holdings to purchase the acreage as part of a 15-acre deal. The remaining 10 acres are on the Feb. 19 City Council agenda for consideration as being part of a tentative deal that would incorporate them into Pacana Park at a cost of $70,000 per acre
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You continue to blast the city and COH about this land deal and yet there is nothing questionable about it. The land owner only wanted to sell it to a non-profit because they would get a tax write-off for the difference between what they bought it for and what they sold it for. This is perfectly within El Dorado Holdings rights. The city never had the chance to buy it out right because the city is not a 501(c)3 non-profit organization and as such, charitable contributions to the city are not tax deductible. Rather than blast everyone involved in this deal, COH should be commended for coming up with such an innovative plan that helps provide services to this city and helps further their congregation at the same time. | | "Knowledge is often mistaken for intelligence. This is like mistaking a cup of milk for a cow." -- Unknown | |
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| | CliffinAZ
Posts:405

 | | 02/15/2008 12:57 PM |
Alert | Sinbad, I tend to be pretty critical of some of the things that the city leadership has done, but after hearing the specific details about the park deal and how it came about , I don't see anything that's unethical about it or wrong with it--as Ken is saying. I think that the city got it right by finding a sensible and practical solution to the problem of acquiring the land for park use. | | | |
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| | golf_rules2
Posts:0

 | | 02/15/2008 1:39 PM |
Alert | Here is a statement right out of the Monitor to support what JoeMan is saying:
"Mayoral candidate Tony Smith fired a number of targeted questions at staff members, as did Michael Godsey, who is running as a write-in candidate for Mayor. Smith brought up the idea of a communications plan, which Godsey piggybacked with his own concerns about the lack of communication."
I was told as well that Godsey piggybacked and never asked an original question of his own. | | | |
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| | golf_rules2
Posts:0

 | | 02/15/2008 1:47 PM |
Alert | Here is another statement right out of the Monitor:
"Godsey challenged Finance Director Roger Kolman with the idea that impact fees should be reduced to stimulate the local economy. He contended that something is better than nothing and empty houses or commercial buildings weren't producing any sales tax revenue for the City."
I was told that Godsey only asked this question, AFTER Smith asked if impact fees were driving developers away. When Kolman replied that commercial impact fees are high, and may cause a disadvantage, he also stated that there were many other aspects that a developer looks at to decide whether to come to Maricopa. He listed several things such as cost of land (which is less expensive in Maricopa) and a few other elements. Basically, at this point, impact fees were not a deterrent for economic growth in Maricopa, because we have other things in our favor.
I looked to see if Godsey was going to revise his statement on his website with that new information and as of yet, he hasn't. That also supports JoeMan's statement on how Godsey is only telling you half of the information you need. See a pattern here? | | | |
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| | JoeMan
Posts:64

 | | 02/15/2008 4:56 PM |
Alert | Mr. Godsey quicky posted this on his website:
"I asked several questions at this meeting and can only conclude that the council candidates that indicated otherwise to this citizen making the post, may be part of the existing administration up for reelection that are not very excited about me disrupting their way of doing things."
For the record, I don't mind saying, I know none of the current council members who are rerunning for council. In fact, I also don't mind saying, I don't plan on voting for either of them. I too want change.
I think it's easy for Mr. Godsey to be a armchair-quarterback.
Mr. Godsey also says, "Another question brought up originally by me and never addressed by Mr Smith was directed at our Police Chief in regards to our growing gang and graffitti problem. Chief Melvin was very responsive and concerned and reassured me that the effort to combat this would continue."
The council candidates I talked to said, Mr. Godsey asked that follow-up question, after Mr. Smith asked both the police and fire departments what they were doing good for the community. True, he didn't ask specifically about gangs and graffitti, but Mr. Smith was the one who asked the opening question.
It's all in how you word it.
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| | Jim_Green
Posts:30

 | | 02/15/2008 5:03 PM |
Alert | This is an important topic, so I made a few calls myself. I don't know if I called the same council candidates, but I talked with two.
I also find it interesting, and figure Godsey must have posted this, 'On the topic of communications, it was not brought up by Mr Smith originally. Mr Billingsly had just shared some encouraging projects that he is working on so I inquired why we do not share this information with the citizens.' before golf_rules posted the evidence from the Monitor.
The piece from the Maricopa Monitor, says something totally opposite of what Godsey says. | | | |
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| | Jim_Green
Posts:30

 | | 02/15/2008 5:08 PM |
Alert | In my conversation with the two city council candidates (not current council member either), they said they were shocked at some of Godsey's follow-up questions. It showed a true sign that he does not understand city government.
On his proposed reduction of impact fees, what he doesn't tell you, but it was discussed at this meeting, is that if you reduce impact fees, you either raise resident taxes or you go without capital projects. Impact fees are used for things like roads, libraries, parks, teen centers, etc. So if you reduce the impact fees and you still want what the candidates call "quality of life" such as those things I mentioned, then you have to raise city taxes. OR you go without. That's another thing Godsey doesn't tell you.
Actually, the two council candidates believe Mr. Smith asked the question to publically get the complete answer and not just the impact fee side. Smart man if you ask me!
I believe some other forum user said it somewhere else, if you want a Mayor with a vision, or they said, "Big Picture", Smith is the man. | | | |
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| | JoeMan
Posts:64

 | | 02/15/2008 5:19 PM |
Alert | Sorry, one other thought from Godsey's statements
"Mr Smiths "communication" plan was not introduced at this meeting only the suggestion of having a plan. I have read Mr Smiths communication plan that he posted and think he has some good ideas, but I feel they come up short as a solution to the problem."
First, Mr. Smith has a communication plan! Where is Godsey's? Remember it's easy to come up with an idea after Mr. Smith has already presented it.
Second, how can Godsey conclude that he has seen all of Mr. Smith's plan to call it short?
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| | alwaysamytoo
Posts:0

 | | 02/17/2008 9:13 AM |
Alert | Godsey's a definite NO in our books, 1st mistake: Not having the guts to officially run, and taking the "write in" highway. If that's his idea of being professionally prepared - that is really scary!
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| | TheSmokingGun
Posts:0

 | | 02/17/2008 1:58 PM |
Alert | | I heard he bombed at the candidate forum. Anyone here go? | | | |
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| | Jim_Green
Posts:30

 | | 02/18/2008 11:36 AM |
Alert | Posted By TheSmokingGun on 02/17/2008 1:58 PM
I heard he bombed at the candidate forum. Anyone here go? Posted by 85239 front page news: The mayoral race was a tad more heated, although neither Anthony Smith or Michael Godsey took things beyond pointing out his opponent's supposed weak points and putting a positive spin on whatever accusations had been directed their way.
I was there! I think the 85239 stated it correctly above. It was heated, but neither took things beyond pointing out his opponent's weak points.
It's actually getting to a point of funny now with Mr. Godsey's website. He used the word 'attacked'. Mr. Godsey, if you can't stand the same 'heat' you dish out, you better get out of the kitchen now. Seriously, Mr's Godsey's website is full of attacks on Mr. Smith. Misquoting Smith's points, plans, etc. Mr. Smith's website is free of any slams to Mr. Godsey. I was glad Mr. Smith did point out the obvious weaknesses of Mr. Godsey. I would have been disappointed if he hadn't. Mr. Smith pointed out Mr. Godsey's lack of any city government experience and he pointed out Mr. Godsey's lack of leadership in the community. He has been in Maricopa for 1.5 years and has yet to be on any boards or lead anything. Mr. Smith pointed out Mr. Godsey's negative approach to communication. He said there is a right way to communicate and a wrong way. Mr. Smith then held up a flyer that Godsey had handed out to the redevelopment area residents. That flyer as well as another one had come to Mr. Smith in the mail from senior citizens afraid because of Godsey's flyer. The flyer asked 'Where are you going to live, when the city takes your land?' These senior citizens were afraid that their land was going to be taken tomorrow. Is that the type of Mayor you want, communicating to seniors or anyone in that way? Not me! The redevelopment district is not even about eminent domain. Get a clue, Mr. Godsey. In the end, Mr. Godsey felt he needed to support his idea of reducing impact fees. Only two other council candidates support that idea. Why, because it means we go without some capital projects (like library, roads, city hall, etc) or we raise our taxes. That is a fact, and Mr. Kolman did say that during the candidate/city meeting last Monday. I verified that through one of the media that was present. I would say that Godsey bombed out. You may not like Smith's approach to pointing out his opponent's weaknesses, but I think it's better than hiding behind your website doing the same thing. | | | |
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| | Jim_Green
Posts:30

 | | 02/18/2008 12:23 PM |
Alert | I almost forgot, I attended the Candidate Forum along with a couple seniors. When they heard about the flyer that Godsey passed out, they were appauld. Their comment was:
'Even if the residents in that area are not seniors, they deserve better and more professional communication that what Godsey passed out.' They thought what he had done was unacceptable.
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| | MaryMan
Posts:12

 | | 02/20/2008 2:22 PM |
Alert | Copied from another thread, but more relative here:
Posted By Sinbad on 02/19/2008 3:34 PM
As for Godsey,
He sure has a silver tounge...he makes his words sound mighty nice. As for Smith...just seems like business as usual with the old goverment.
So.. not much to look at either way. I just want the BEST for the city.
If silver tongue is what you want, then silver tongue is what you'll get!
I was watching both candidates closely. I've read the ramblings in Godsey's website. Whew, ramblings!
I found a comment he made about how he thought Smith did some good things on P&Z, but as far as Godsey was concerned, not enough.
I asked if Godsey had ever been on P&Z to see Smith in action. The answer: ZERO times has he been to P&Z.
Then I read an article from Kathy Hall in the Monitor last week. Here is a piece of it:
"Another aspect of the campaign to date that I've found a little distressing, is the comments and assumptions that Smith is somehow part of the old regime, the "good ole boys" or handpicked by the old councilmembers.
While I'm not endorsing any candidates, I find it a grave injustice that this is the public's perception, because I know that none of this is true.
Smith's service on the Planning and Zoning Commission should not count against him, but rather for him. Time and again, the current Council has rejected the suggestions of P&Z. The Commissioners have often discussed at meetings the Council reversal of their imposed stipulations on developments. So, there is certainly not a close connection between anyone on the commission and anyone on the Council."
And this statement is from a person who has been at nearly every P&Z and every city council meeting. She has also been critical of the council and their lack of action on issues, yet she defends Smith's work on P&Z.
So it is evident to me that the 'Silver Tongue' will say anything necessary to get votes. If that's what you want, then go for it.
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| | Sinbad
Posts:3046


 | | 02/20/2008 2:57 PM |
Alert | Also, as you read by one of the posters on the most recent article, the COH building will not be funded or supported by the city in the least. Their 5 acres, is their 5 acres, totally unrelated to the city.
yeah .. except for the parking lot that they are leasing for $10 a year... nice try | | Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem. ______________________________________ *************************************** San Diego Super Chargers! GO!!! Joined old forum March 2006 Post count: 3068 + these | |
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| | Sinbad
Posts:3046


 | | 02/20/2008 3:05 PM |
Alert | First, some background on that property. The Mormon church wanted it, but they only wanted 3 acres. The owners said 'No'.
Why didn't the city back the Mormons if they new that they were after the land? we could have had an extra 2 acres "for the kids"
You continue to blast the city and COH about this land deal and yet there is nothing questionable about it. The land owner only wanted to sell it to a non-profit because they would get a tax write-off for the difference between what they bought it for and what they sold it for. This is perfectly within El Dorado Holdings rights.
what about the Mormons? | | Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem. ______________________________________ *************************************** San Diego Super Chargers! GO!!! Joined old forum March 2006 Post count: 3068 + these | |
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| | Sinbad
Posts:3046


 | | 02/20/2008 3:10 PM |
Alert | MaryMan...
you have to remember that having a Silver Tounge isn't always a good think.. Nice try on spinning it.
"Silver tounge devil"....you know what I mean now?
My vote for mayor is up in the air...that's all. As much as you people think that I am bashing Smith, he still looks to be the stronger runner.
With that said.................
"Back to this COH city deal!!!!" (lol.. jK) | | Just doing it one day at a time. Change is good and it should be looked upon as an improvment! not a problem. ______________________________________ *************************************** San Diego Super Chargers! GO!!! Joined old forum March 2006 Post count: 3068 + these | |
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