Granny5X
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 | | 01/17/2008 3:11 PM |
 Alert | Wow Ken--- Granny is gonna have to ponder that one for a little while. I know McCain IS NOT getting my vote. Neither is Billery Clinton. (not a typo)
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love@hm
Posts:523
| | 01/17/2008 4:48 PM |
Alert | I go between Romney and Thompson, but I really worry that Thompson just doesn't have what it takes. I don't believe him enough of a diplomat, and worry he is not as capable as others (Including McCain) in being a representative of the US.
My concern with Romney is the back and forth attitude, every politician is a flipper and a flopper, but I still worry about this. The fact that he was elected govenor in such a blue state is concern to me.
When it really comes down to it, congress and senate are the ones controling the country. The pres has veto power and not much more than that. . .
I completely agree illegal immigration needs to be taken care of faster and more effeciently - McCain will in no way do the job. | | | |
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ken
Posts:546
| | 01/17/2008 5:02 PM |
Alert | | See Thompson I'm ok with, but I have the same concern as you... I don't think he has the support to get him there, but Romney... well see my posts earlier in this thread about Romney. McCain I agree is too weak on illegal immigration. I personally like Huckabee. I think some of the press he has got is quite unfair and he is all in all more conservative than anyone running with the exception of maybe Thompson. | |
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love@hm
Posts:523
| | 01/17/2008 6:18 PM |
Alert | | Huckabee lost my vote before I even started much of my research when he opened his mouth and said unfortunate things about a religion. I don't care what religion you are or agree with, you don't bad-mouth someone elses. Sad thing is, maybe he would have had a chance with me. . . I don't really know, have no idea what he stand for, but if he bad mouths one religion what is going to stop him from bad-mouthing another (and I don't for a second believe he "said it wrong", or "didn't mean it that way" . . . I would immediately drop Romney off my list if he did it too (or if I find out he has, but I don't think that has happened.) | | | |
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djbaldwin
Posts:246
| | 01/17/2008 6:38 PM |
Alert | Posted By love@hm on 01/17/2008 4:48 PM
I go between Romney and Thompson, but I really worry that Thompson just doesn't have what it takes. I don't believe him enough of a diplomat, and worry he is not as capable as others (Including McCain) in being a representative of the US.
My concern with Romney is the back and forth attitude, every politician is a flipper and a flopper, but I still worry about this. The fact that he was elected govenor in such a blue state is concern to me.
When it really comes down to it, congress and senate are the ones controling the country. The pres has veto power and not much more than that. . .
I completely agree illegal immigration needs to be taken care of faster and more effeciently - McCain will in no way do the job.
I agree. I feel romney and thompson are the only valid conservative candidates. Unfortunately thompson is probably by the wayside after south carolina. Romney has changed on some issues but the reason I support him so strongly is because he was upfront about the change and admitted he was wrong and he also vetoed every piece of legislation coming across his desk that was prochoice. All politicians are changing but at least he was upfront and honest. I feel more comfortable about that. Besides I guess anyone is better than Democratic Senator McCain. | |
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ken
Posts:546
| | 01/17/2008 7:01 PM |
Alert | Posted By love@hm on 01/17/2008 6:18 PM
Huckabee lost my vote before I even started much of my research when he opened his mouth and said unfortunate things about a religion. I don't care what religion you are or agree with, you don't bad-mouth someone elses. Sad thing is, maybe he would have had a chance with me. . . I don't really know, have no idea what he stand for, but if he bad mouths one religion what is going to stop him from bad-mouthing another (and I don't for a second believe he "said it wrong", or "didn't mean it that way" . . . I would immediately drop Romney off my list if he did it too (or if I find out he has, but I don't think that has happened.)
When did he ever bad mouth a religion? Are you referring to the Jesus and the devil are brothers comment? I really don't see that as an issue considering I had heard that rumor on several occasions long before this election and believe he truly thought that was the truth. He wasn't trying to paint mormons as something bad... he was just uninformed about mormonism. As he has stated on several occasions, he is still working on fully understanding being a baptist to even attempt to understand someone elses faith. | |
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djbaldwin
Posts:246
| | 01/17/2008 7:08 PM |
Alert | | sorry I don't buy Im an innocent preacher who is uninformed ploy. I just don't trust him. I do wish Thompson was a more viable candidate though. | |
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ken
Posts:546
| | 01/17/2008 7:12 PM |
Alert | | You know what is so funny about Romney is that everyone says he catches a lot of flack because he is Mormon. To me... he isn't Mormon enough. Every Mormon person I have ever met has always had strong family values and was for the most part, unapologetically conservative. The fact that Romney has been a Mormon his whole life, but is only recently pro-life says to me that he does not stand by his convictions and/or he has a loose moral compass. To me this is a person who cannot be trusted at all. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing. | |
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love@hm
Posts:523
| | 01/17/2008 7:17 PM |
Alert | | He knew exactly what he was saying, and although he may have meant it as a joke, it was unprofessional. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing, humor intended or not. Even if he was uninformed he should have stopped with his answer, which I wouldn't have had any problems with. His question had no point other than shock value. | | | |
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ken
Posts:546
| | 01/17/2008 7:17 PM |
Alert | Posted By djbaldwin on 01/17/2008 7:08 PM
sorry I don't buy Im an innocent preacher who is uninformed ploy. I just don't trust him. I do wish Thompson was a more viable candidate though.
Even the reporter who originally reported this comment said that all the hype around it had been taken way out of context and that Governor Huckabee said it in a way that was not at all demeaning, but rather inquisitive. | |
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love@hm
Posts:523
| | 01/17/2008 7:20 PM |
Alert | I really don't know what his standing is in the LDS church - doesn't matter to me, I vote on politics, and in this case I am being very careful to do just that  | | | |
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ken
Posts:546
| | 01/17/2008 7:24 PM |
Alert | | I too vote on Politics and on one of the most important issues of our lifetime, abortion, Mitt Romney fails the smell test. Analyzing someone's adherence to their own religion is a good test as to how strong their convictions are and it is apparent to me that Mitt Romney's conviction is weak. | |
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djbaldwin
Posts:246
| | 01/17/2008 7:27 PM |
Alert | Posted By ken on 01/17/2008 7:12 PM
You know what is so funny about Romney is that everyone says he catches a lot of flack because he is Mormon. To me... he isn't Mormon enough. Every Mormon person I have ever met has always had strong family values and was for the most part, unapologetically conservative. The fact that Romney has been a Mormon his whole life, but is only recently pro-life says to me that he does not stand by his convictions and/or he has a loose moral compass. To me this is a person who cannot be trusted at all. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
But the thing it's not like he's been wishy washy about anything. He voiced the opinion of his constituents early on as governor. But the fact is that he knew his mistake and publicly apologized for it. He also never signed anything prochoice and was against it by his voting record the entire time he's been a politician. Just because he's lds people think he can't ever be wrong. As christian's I feel that we should appreciatte the fact that he's tried to do the right thing. If he wasn't mormon people wouldn't even be making it such an issue. It's not like he ever lied about it. I feel like he held that view in the beginning because he felt he should as to represent his constituents then changed because of his strong moral compass. | |
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ken
Posts:546
| | 01/17/2008 7:33 PM |
Alert | | He may very well have a strong moral compass and maybe he always has been pro-life, but then that means all the stuff he said in 1994 about being pro-choice, pro gay marriage, and against Reagan and Bush was all a bunch of lies to get elected. If he did it then why should I trust him now to actually enforce the border or stay in Iraq? Maybe he is just pandering for my vote. Either way he is like Bill Clinton, his views sway with the wind. | |
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love@hm
Posts:523
| | 01/17/2008 8:04 PM |
Alert | It really depends on how he views abortion as a whole as to whether or not he agrees with the LDS formal view on abortion. The LDS church does not believe in abortion, with the exception of rape, incest, or endangerment of the mother's life. In this circumstance an LDS person could be considered Pro-choice because they could support a measure allowing abortion in these circumstances. I did not get the impression this was Romney's standings. However, I also do not know for certain that it was not.
In the case of adherence to ones own religion, the LDS church urges members to make informed decision, it will occasionally remind members of the stances it has taken on abortion, same-sex marriage and gambling. However, the decision to vote on these topics is left up to the member. How you vote is your business and your business alone. At no time is your political belief questioned. In fact, I know (online) a few other LDS members (active and in 'good standing') who also are pro-lifers and for same-sex "marriage' or 'civil unions'.
I do not know exactly what to think of Romney's flop. What politician doesn't do that? They ALL have. It is something we need to pay attention to, and decide how important that issue really is to us and how soon that issue will come to a head. So of course, then comes the question of whether or not he will flop on other issues. Can anyone really know the answer to that question? The fact that he did not sign on any pro-choice abortions should say something - no matter what came out of his mouth. . . after all, actions speak louder than words 
Abortion is likely to be a big ticket issue for more than 4-8 years. I do not believe it will suddenly come to a head - I know I do not support a the position of illegal abortion for ALL cases, I support illegal abortion with exceptions. | | | |
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djbaldwin
Posts:246
| | 01/17/2008 8:13 PM |
Alert | Posted By ken on 01/17/2008 7:33 PM
He may very well have a strong moral compass and maybe he always has been pro-life, but then that means all the stuff he said in 1994 about being pro-choice, pro gay marriage, and against Reagan and Bush was all a bunch of lies to get elected. If he did it then why should I trust him now to actually enforce the border or stay in Iraq? Maybe he is just pandering for my vote. Either way he is like Bill Clinton, his views sway with the wind.
Ya know I think most of those statements weren't necessarily saying he wanted to encourage abortion or gay marriage. It was he felt like his constituents wanted the choice and possibly maybe in his heart he might of felt that way to a point on abortion. But I feel that because in his heart he knew he made the wrong choice that is why he didn't sign any of those legislations. The reality of it is that reagan and bush were not perfect. I love Reagan and he did way more good than not. But there were some bad decisions made like appointing Sandra Day Oconnor and supporting gas tax increases. Don't think I don't like Reagan. I think he was arguably the best republican president in the history of the usa. But he wasn't perfect. When he said he wanted to depart from them he was talking about the 2 tax increases I believe. But I really don't think he's anything like slick willy | |
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ken
Posts:546
| | 01/17/2008 8:51 PM |
Alert | "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time that my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it." -- Mitt Romney
"I'm not Pro-life because I got into politics. I got into politics because I'm Pro-life." -- Mike Huckabee
Don't know how much more clear cut you can get than that! | |
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djbaldwin
Posts:246
| | 01/18/2008 7:14 AM |
Alert | Posted By ken on 01/17/2008 8:51 PM
"I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time that my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it." -- Mitt Romney
"I'm not Pro-life because I got into politics. I got into politics because I'm Pro-life." -- Mike Huckabee
Don't know how much more clear cut you can get than that!
Well hate on everyone but your friend Huckabee. But I still feel he would make a way better president because of his current views than Huckabee would. Regardless of what he said I go with his voting record and current views over a debate with kennedy all day long. | |
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ken
Posts:546
| | 01/18/2008 8:12 AM |
Alert | I don't hate on everyone but Huckabee. Of those who are still in it, my choice goes in the following order...
Huckabee, Thompson, Duncan Hunter, McCain, Ron Paul, Romney, Guiliani
Of course the top two are the only ones I could really "like", but its not that I hate on all... It is really just Romney and Guiliani that make my blood boil. And then Ron Paul is just pure entertainment | |
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missPolitick
Posts:645
| | 01/18/2008 10:32 AM |
Alert | | I wanted Tom Tancredo, but Mitt it is. | |
Despite All My Rage I Am Still Just A Rat In A Cage | |
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