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Trogdor!
Posts:294


 | | 11/24/2007 2:03 PM |
Alert | From the article:
By TERRY TANG, Associated Press writer Sat Nov 24, 1:27 AM ET
PHOENIX - A 9-year-old boy looking for help after his mother crashed their van in the southern Arizona desert was rescued by a man entering the U.S. illegally, who stayed with him until help arrived the next day, an official said.
The 45-year-old woman, who eventually died while awaiting help, had been driving on a U.S. Forest Service road in a remote area just north of the Mexican border when she lost control of her van on a curve on Thanksgiving, Santa Cruz County Sheriff Tony Estrada said.
The van vaulted into a canyon and landed 300 feet from the road, he said. The woman, from Rimrock, north of Phoenix, survived the impact but was pinned inside, Estrada said.
Her son, unhurt but disoriented, crawled out to get help and was found about two hours later by Jesus Manuel Cordova, 26, of Magdalena de Kino in the northern Mexican state of Sonora. Unable to pull the mother out, he comforted the boy while they waited for help.
The woman died a short time later.
"He stayed with him, told him that everything was going to be all right," Estrada said.
As temperatures dropped, he gave him a jacket, built a bonfire and stayed with him until about 8 a.m. Friday, when hunters passed by and called authorities, Estrada said. The boy was flown to University Medical Center in Tucson as a precaution but appeared unhurt.
"We suspect that they communicated somehow, but we don't know if he knows Spanish or if the gentleman knew English," Estrada said of the boy.
"For a 9-year-old it has to be completely traumatic, being out there alone with his mother dead," Estrada said. "Fortunately for the kid, (Cordova) was there. That was his angel."
Cordova was taken into custody by Border Patrol agents, who were the first to respond to the call for help. He had been trying to walk into the U.S. when he came across the boy.
The boy and his mother were in the area camping, Estrada said. The woman's husband, the boy's father, had died only two months ago. The names of the woman and her son were not being released until relatives were notified.
Cordova likely saved the boy, Estrada said, and his actions should remind people not to quickly characterize illegal immigrants as criminals.
"They do get demonized for a lot of reasons, and they do a lot of good. Obviously this is one example of what an individual can do," he said. | |
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| | Trogdor!
Posts:294


 | | | Jason
Posts:3378


 | | 11/24/2007 5:00 PM |
Alert | That was a nice story, except for this part:
Cordova likely saved the boy, Estrada said, and his actions should remind people not to quickly characterize illegal immigrants as criminals.
It is concerning that a sheriff would make a statement like that. It's completely contradictory. | | Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | OBG II
Posts:553


 | | 11/25/2007 3:44 AM |
Alert | Cordova likely saved the boy, Estrada said, and his actions should remind people not to quickly characterize illegal immigrants as criminals
Aren't they criminals the minute they cross the border?
What are we missing here. Why do we even have the border patrol if they are not criminals. | | Some people will do anything to get elected!
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| | DesertDweller
Posts:2559


 | | 11/25/2007 7:35 AM |
Alert | What's wrong is to characterize these folks as bad people. They're not. Most of the ones that I have met are really good people. It doesn't surprise me that this guy would put himself in a precarious position by doing the right thing and helping an injured child. He knows that after he's deported there will be another day to cross the border. He probably has a family and children at home. I like to think that everyone, regardless of what side of the border they're from, would do the same thing.
Nevertheless, illegal immigration is a crime. People who cross the border and don't comply with US Customs and Immigration laws are commiting a crime. Non-citizens who seek employment in the United States without a work visa are commiting a crime.
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| | OBG II
Posts:553


 | | 11/25/2007 8:11 AM |
Alert | It is concerning that a sheriff would make a statement like that. It's completely contradictory
OMG, Jason, I couldn't agree more. Now even the sherriff thinks they are not all criminals. See, you committ a crime long enough and it becomes the norm in peoples minds. We have come a long way...down. | | Some people will do anything to get elected!
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rwallick
Posts:44


 | | 11/25/2007 10:22 AM |
Alert | | I think the point is that not all illegal acts are criminal! Nor are all legal acts non-criminal. This guy knew what was going to happen to him but chose to stay with the boy; he should be welcomed with open arms into our country! | | "The real trouble with war...is that it gives no one a chance to kill the right people." - Ezra Pound | |
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| | DIRTY BIRDIE
Posts:342


 | | 11/25/2007 12:43 PM |
Alert | | Crossing the Border illegally is a crime. | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378


 | | 11/25/2007 4:19 PM |
Alert | I think the point is that not all illegal acts are criminal!
In this case, the illegal act makes the person a criminal. The problem is that people have made the mental association that all criminals are at heart bad people and thus couldn't possibly do anything good. Like DD said, it is wrong to characterize these people as bad, so in the minds of people like this sheriff, to fix the conundrum they say stupid things like that. | | Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3616


 | | 11/25/2007 8:03 PM |
Alert | Some of you guys disgust me. Just accept that this man did a good deed. Regardless of where he's from. I'm not surprised with a few of your comments.
If this man saved your son/daughter wouldn't you ignore the fact that he's illegal.
I just want to puke, excuse me. | | "Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | DesertDweller
Posts:2559


 | | 11/25/2007 8:15 PM |
Alert | A guy walks into a bank, gun in hand, and robs it. On his way out, he notices that one of the banks' patrons is having a heart attack. Since he's certified in CPR, he stops and does compressions until the paramedics and the police arrive. You are the police officer on the scene. Would you:
1. Place the man under arrest, or,
2. Thank the man for being a stand up guy, hand the bag of money he was holding back to the bank manager, pick up the gun, and send the good Samaritan on his way?
| | Stupid should hurt!
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| | Jason
Posts:3378


 | | 11/25/2007 8:23 PM |
Alert | Posted By drummer72 on 11/25/2007 8:03 PM Some of you guys disgust me. Just accept that this man did a good deed. Regardless of where he's from. I'm not surprised with a few of your comments.
If this man saved your son/daughter wouldn't you ignore the fact that he's illegal.
I just want to puke, excuse me.
No. Here's an example that would hit close to home for anyone in Maricopa:
You are in an accident by someone that hit you on the I-10 turn lane, by not waiting in line. They caused major damage to your car, and your wife who was in the passenger seat on the side of the car that was hit needs CPR. The driver gives assistance and saves your wife from dying, since the paramedics wouldn't have made it in time. Do you let them off the hook and tell them that it's no problem, they don't have to pay anything for damaging your car? No, by the posts of some of the people on this forum, they'd still beat the guy up that hit you.
Double standards don't do anyone any good and letting people off for crimes because they committed an unrelated good deed aren't helping either. This is not a Disney movie. | | Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | Marni
Posts:499


 | | 11/25/2007 8:29 PM |
Alert | This is not a Disney movie.
Heehee! That was funny 
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| | drummer72
Posts:3616


 | | 11/25/2007 8:51 PM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 11/25/2007 8:23 PM Posted By drummer72 on 11/25/2007 8:03 PM Some of you guys disgust me. Just accept that this man did a good deed. Regardless of where he's from. I'm not surprised with a few of your comments.
If this man saved your son/daughter wouldn't you ignore the fact that he's illegal.
I just want to puke, excuse me. No. Here's an example that would hit close to home for anyone in Maricopa: You are in an accident by someone that hit you on the I-10 turn lane, by not waiting in line. They caused major damage to your car, and your wife who was in the passenger seat on the side of the car that was hit needs CPR. The driver gives assistance and saves your wife from dying, since the paramedics wouldn't have made it in time. Do you let them off the hook and tell them that it's no problem, they don't have to pay anything for damaging your car? No, by the posts of some of the people on this forum, they'd still beat the guy up that hit you. Double standards don't do anyone any good and letting people off for crimes because they committed an unrelated good deed aren't helping either. This is not a Disney movie.
I thought I saw you drving with Dopey and Dumbo the other day, down 347?? | | "Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | Silence
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 | | 11/26/2007 7:50 AM |
Alert | | I heard the illegal was running acroos the road which caused the mother to swerve and crash. Is that Steamboat Willy I hear coming? | | | |
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| | Trogdor!
Posts:294


 | | 11/26/2007 10:32 AM |
Alert | DD & Jason,
Both of your scenarios are flawed. The criminal actions of the person could either be seen as a contributing factor (1st one) or a direct cause (2nd one) of the other person to require help. How about this.
Someone witnesses an accident and goes to help. There's no one else around and the person in the car requires CPR. He calls 911 and immediately begins administering CPR. He is still doing this when paramedics arrive. One of them notices a pipe fall out of the person's jacket pocket. It turns out to be a pipe for marijuana and the person is also carrying enough to be charged with possession but not with the intent to distribute. Also, he is not under the influence. | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378


 | | 11/26/2007 10:41 AM |
Alert | | Whether or not the criminal actions are contributory or not is beside the point. The analogy is: person commits illegal action -> does good deed -> should they be let off? The answer is no. Let's put it this way: if someone robs a bank and then gives the money to a church, should they still go to jail for robbing the bank? Yes. | | Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | DesertDweller
Posts:2559


 | | 11/26/2007 1:16 PM |
Alert | Illegal aliens are not supposed to be here. They crossed the border without going through the proper process. Every nation in the world recognizes each others borders and the sovereign right of each nation to decide who and when someone can cross into their country, what they can do while they're there, and for how long they can stay.
In many countries, including Mexico, those entering illegally would be imprisoned. If we had an immigration policy like Mexico has, we wouldn't have an immigration problem.
I fully support an imprisonment program for illegal aliens that would be sufficient to provide a deterrent, including work to cover the cost of their stay. | | Stupid should hurt!
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| | drummer72
Posts:3616


 | | 11/26/2007 3:05 PM |
Alert | | illegal-illshmegal | | "Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | Sinbad
Posts:3046


 | | 11/26/2007 3:14 PM |
Alert | Sad story..
Maybe the can help the illegal get a visa for a while. That was a great act of kindness.
and yeah.. it's still a crime to cross the boarder illegally.
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