ilovesubway
Posts:53
 | | 10/18/2007 1:15 AM |
 Alert | I'm in MM.. So we don't have coach lights as standard and the sales person never told us it was an option..
It's DARK on my street.. I'm in the middle and the closest light is on the corner about 12 houses away.. It's too dark to go to my car at night.. I get freaked out..
And DD I have very large, but wimpy dogs.. 
There's other things I'm scared of besides people.. What about coyotes and snakes in the bushes? | | | |
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ilovesubway
Posts:53
| | 10/18/2007 1:16 AM |
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We can still be a star-viewing community but add a few more lights here and there.. We don't have to go from where we are now to down town phoenix.. There has to be a happy medium somewhere.. | | | |
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JonAndAshly
Posts:233
| | 10/18/2007 11:17 AM |
Alert | | I live in MM as well. I have no idea what you are talking about. You can still see outside unless you are completely blind. The night's sky itself gives off enough light to allow you to see your car. I personally would be very upset if they put more street lights out here. And you think that a couple of street lights are going to stop hungry coyotes and snakes...sounds like you are just paranoid. | | | |
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JonAndAshly
Posts:233
| | 10/18/2007 11:20 AM |
Alert | | Also, why dont you just put coach lights up then? Instead of ruining it for the people that enjoy not having light coming through their blinds when they are trying to sleep. We have coach lights, we turn them on as needed and it works out great. | | | |
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GilaGuy
Posts:789
| | 10/18/2007 12:42 PM |
Alert | Posted By ilovesubway on 10/18/2007 1:15 AM
There's other things I'm scared of besides people.. What about coyotes and snakes in the bushes?
Coyotes are more afraid of you than you are of them. They don't seek confrontation. Even if you stumble upon one, all you'll see is a flash of coyote rump as it runs off. Same goes with snakes...they'd prefer to be left alone, and they aren't going to jump out at you. They're also not likely to be out at night during this time year since it is so chilly outside.
I don't think we need any more streetlights of any sort out here. The people who want to build coach lights can do so, the people who want to turn on their coach lights can do so, the people who want to bring flashlights along with them on the trip to take the trash can to the curb can do so. But let's try not to dim our view of the stars any further by adding streetlights all over the place. ;-) | | | |
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ilovesubway
Posts:53
| | 10/18/2007 2:55 PM |
Alert | Posted By JonAndAshly on 10/18/2007 11:17 AM
I live in MM as well. I have no idea what you are talking about. You can still see outside unless you are completely blind. The night's sky itself gives off enough light to allow you to see your car. I personally would be very upset if they put more street lights out here. And you think that a couple of street lights are going to stop hungry coyotes and snakes...sounds like you are just paranoid.
Not on nights without a full moon.. NOONE on my street has coach lights and the expense is huge to do it after the fact..
As far as the coyotes and snakes are concerned.. I think you underestimate the coyotes.. They're quite intelligent and would love to make a snack of my dogs.. regardless of who's holding any leash.. And I would love to actually be able to SEE the snakes..
And I really don't give a rat's butt if you get upset.. You're a vicious person so I really couldn't care less if you don't like something. | | | |
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GilaGuy
Posts:789
| | 10/18/2007 3:06 PM |
Alert | Posted By ilovesubway on 10/18/2007 2:55 PM
As far as the coyotes and snakes are concerned.. I think you underestimate the coyotes.. They're quite intelligent and would love to make a snack of my dogs.. regardless of who's holding any leash.. And I would love to actually be able to SEE the snakes..
The Meadows doesn't exactly have a snake problem, so you're not likely to "see the snakes" there at all. Sure, snakes are around the desert and occasionally enter subdivisions, but if they're not hurting you and you don't see them, what's the harm? Coyotes, as sly as they are, aren't dumb enough to form an attack on one human and two dogs. That's suicide for a coyote, and unless the thing is absolutely starving that's not going to happen. I understand that you're concerned, but it would appear that some of your worries are somewhat needless.
Have you considered some solar accent lighting out front? Many people have them, they are cheap to buy, simple to install, and free to operate! You could set some of those up along a pathway from your front door to the place you park your trash can at curbside, perhaps that would ease your mind? | | | |
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JonAndAshly
Posts:233
| | 10/19/2007 9:13 AM |
Alert | Posted By ilovesubway on 10/18/2007 2:55 PM Posted By JonAndAshly on 10/18/2007 11:17 AM
I live in MM as well. I have no idea what you are talking about. You can still see outside unless you are completely blind. The night's sky itself gives off enough light to allow you to see your car. I personally would be very upset if they put more street lights out here. And you think that a couple of street lights are going to stop hungry coyotes and snakes...sounds like you are just paranoid. Not on nights without a full moon.. NOONE on my street has coach lights and the expense is huge to do it after the fact.. As far as the coyotes and snakes are concerned.. I think you underestimate the coyotes.. They're quite intelligent and would love to make a snack of my dogs.. regardless of who's holding any leash.. And I would love to actually be able to SEE the snakes.. And I really don't give a rat's butt if you get upset.. You're a vicious person so I really couldn't care less if you don't like something.
Wow, so you pretty much confirmed what I said, you are paranoid. Tell me how many coyote attacks are there really? I am not talking about stray animals being attacked. I am talking about someone walking along with their dog leashed and a coyote coming along and eating the dog in front of the owner. And you are not going to see the snakes. The snake is going to coil up in the bush so you can’t see it. Unless you are the dumb ass poking at it or freaking out and jumping all around. And yes, you can see outside on nights without a full moon. Actually its not that expensive to put in coach lights, you can even get battery operated ones so you don’t have to run electrical wire.
Vicious person? Really? My taxes shouldn't go to putting in and maintaining a bunch of street lights because you are paranoid. | | | |
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Sinbad
Posts:3046
| | 10/19/2007 9:26 AM |
Alert | Posted By DesertDweller on 10/17/2007 9:15 PM
I am sure glad that I live in the sticks so that I don't have to worry about street lights. It is beautiful without them. We have never had a break-in on our property. I have a security system, motion lights, cameras, etc. Who needs streetlights?
Better Knock on wood.. lol
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sarahc
Posts:631
| | 10/19/2007 9:57 AM |
Alert | As far as the coyotes and snakes are concerned.. I think you underestimate the coyotes.. They're quite intelligent and would love to make a snack of my dogs.. regardless of who's holding any leash.. And I would love to actually be able to SEE the snakes..
I live out in the sticks like DD and have all the same equipment. I feel safe outside with out with out lights. I understand the fear of coyotes but in reality I have only seen a few out here and for a long time my husband and I raised chucker and pheasant. The pins were not that far from the house and only once did I ever see a coyote on my property... and pinned birds are like a buffet for coyotes!
So in all reality a coyote attacking your large dog on a leash in the middle of a row of houses is, in my opinion, slim to none!
Oh I wanted to add... how many snakes have you seen? My guess would be Zero? Right?
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/19/2007 11:07 AM |
Alert | | Forget snakes, I'm worried about scorpions. Turn on the lights and they run. | |
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JonAndAshly
Posts:233
| | 10/19/2007 11:37 AM |
Alert | There really isnt a reason to be afraid of scorpians either. There hasnt been a single reported death from a scorpian in AZ in over 40 years. And how often do you actually hear about people getting stung? Scorpians also keep to themself. They actually like to burrow.
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DesertDweller
Posts:2559
| | 10/19/2007 11:57 AM |
Alert | Jason, I will loan you my scorpion. You can bond with it and that will get rid of your phobia.
Streetlights make people feel better, and that's about it. Someone wanting to do harm can hide himself in any type of environment. Most people don't know what light pollution is. For example, I go up on the mountain behind our house. It is absolute pitch black, with no lights anywhere. If I look toward Maricopa or Casa Grande, there is a glow on the horizon where the cities are, and you can't see any stars unless you look 15-20 degrees above the horizon. When I look due south where there are no cities, I can see stars that seem to be sitting just above the ground. It's a beautiful sight.
On a night without the moon, there are millions of stars in the sky that you would never see in town. It's an amazing sight that I haven't seen since I was in the Navy on a ship at sea. On nights with the moon, we walk to the mailbox about a quarter mile away and we can see most everything in the desert. Another beautiful sight. The nearest street light is about 20 miles away from us. | |
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Java Lover
Posts:0
| | 10/19/2007 12:46 PM |
Alert | | I like the stars we see even though it's limited. Went camping last week and the stars were amazing! We saw the Milky Way!!! I remember when you could drive a little beyond Phoenix and see it. | | | |
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Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/19/2007 1:18 PM |
Alert | There really isnt a reason to be afraid of scorpians either. There hasnt been a single reported death from a scorpian in AZ in over 40 years. And how often do you actually hear about people getting stung?
#1. I have asthma. I am at a high likelihood of severe complications from a scorpion sting.
#2. We usually see several per year, and I have had one crawl on me.
So yes, my concern is valid.
Sorry DD, any scorpion I see is getting killed ASAP. To this day I occasionally feel it crawling up my leg...
I completely understand light pollution but I also understand people wanting more light in a dense city, where frequent construction is likely to disturb and make otherwise harmless critters active. | |
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NateK1975
Posts:104
| | 10/20/2007 4:50 PM |
Alert | I would agree that we don't need street lights. I just moved into Senita Phase III from Colorado. My wife and I lived about 1.5 hours from the nearest BIG city of 45,000 people. No light pollution where we lived. Yes, it was the boonies, but a nice home in the mountains.
As far as Coyotes are concerned...I was building a house with my brother in a golf course community in a town of 250 people, and when we were working on the roof one day, a man was walking his SMALL dog and a pack of coyotes came out of the trees and attacked both the man and his dog. Needless to say the dog was dragged off never to be seen again and the man was injured with many bites, but did survive.
Even after witnessing that, my wife and I were still not worried about living in the middle of nowhere and walking around at night without big street lights. Every night we could see the milkyway. We would see mountain lions , bob cats, coyotes, deer, elk and most recently moose walk through our property in the evenings and mornings. Never did we worry about getting attacked as we walked out to the Barn to fire up the snow plows at 3 am.
All this to say...I am happy with no lights, so I can still see my stars.
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DesertDweller
Posts:2559
| | 10/20/2007 7:27 PM |
Alert | If coyotes get hungry enough, they will attack in packs like that and light won't deter them. When we lived on South Mountain, they would come into neighborhoods and carry off cats. Sometimes you would see them going back up the mountain - and it was light out.
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Posts:120
| | 10/20/2007 10:04 PM |
Alert | | I too recently moved into Senita III and I couldn't be happier that there are no street lights in the neighborhood. It saves on energy used, reducing air polution, and on light polution. The only streetlights in Senita are on the main roads like Maricopa Groves and Santa Rosa Pkwy. I also like the fact that Senita uses short streetlamps that have large covers to keep the light from going up. It is nice to be able to step into my backyard and look up to see thousands of stars. One of the many things that I didn't like about Maricopa Meadows when we were renting in there was the streetlights. There are too many of them and they are too tall. As far as I am concerned the fewer streetlights the better. | | | |
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vinny
Posts:668
| | 10/20/2007 10:28 PM |
Alert | wait. you live in a subdivision where every house has a garage and your concerned about walking to the car? why not just clean that junk out of your garage and park in there?
streetlights aren't as great as you may think, and may actually give criminals an easier place to hide. when your walking around under those lights your eyes are not adjusted to the dark areas around bushes and trees, making it impossible to see what is outside the concentrated light circle. that makes it really easy for a criminal to hide, then drag you into the dark spot where no one will see you getting raped/robbed/killed.
if your worried about scorpions why are you living in the desert? plus a black light is far more effective to find those lttle fellas. | |
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Krzy
Posts:57
| | 10/21/2007 9:50 AM |
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And I really don't give a rat's butt if you get upset.. You're a vicious person so I really couldn't care less if you don't like something.
Oh the irony of this comment coming from you. You're not allowed to use that bunny avatar anymore..
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