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| | Author | Messages | |
outtatime
Posts:6
 | | 07/07/2007 7:16 AM |
 Alert | As a result of the medias anti american bias, the Democrats anti american bias, the anti american bias of our universities and the degradation of our traditional ethics and morality. It seems to me that many of our politicians just don't think that this country is worth defending anymore.
This is just my observation and personally, if called, I would defend the country and it's founding ideals with my life if necessary. | | | |
| | Krzy
Posts:53
| | 07/07/2007 9:43 AM |
Alert | I would have to say yes, we are losing the will to defend ourselves. For so many years we've been worried about everyone else in the world and forgetting about our own citizens.
If we don't watch out for #1, we'll end up in #2. | |
When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail."
- Abraham Maslow (1908-1970) | |
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| | chaotic
Posts:104
| | 07/07/2007 2:22 PM |
Alert | Krzy...you are right. I get saddend when I see all these other celebs going to these foriegn countries to fight hunger and illness, but what about our own children that live here in the US?? I think we need to start looking after our own first and take care of what needs to be taken care of and THEN go to these other countries and help out. No wonder our country is so over loaded with immigrants...no one is paying attention to them...everyone else is looking the other way.  | |
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| | bendover
Posts:53
| | 07/08/2007 7:46 AM |
Alert | | You are right on there "outtatime". It seems the people want change and the politicians are our elected officials to do this. How is it these jokers in Washington are not doing what we elected them to do. It is not just Washington either, what about Maricopa, or Arizona? Just the same song just differenet lyrics. It is obvious what simple common sense things need to be done without any politics involved yet nothing gets done. I just don't understand. | | | |
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| | Trogdor!
Posts:294
| | 07/11/2007 3:28 PM |
Alert | Posted By outtatime on 07/07/2007 7:16 AM
As a result of the medias anti american bias, the Democrats anti american bias, the anti american bias of our universities and the degradation of our traditional ethics and morality. It seems to me that many of our politicians just don't think that this country is worth defending anymore.
This is just my observation and personally, if called, I would defend the country and it's founding ideals with my life if necessary.
You act as if you didn't know that "reality has a well-known liberal bias." | |
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| | leehopper
Posts:120
| | 07/11/2007 4:19 PM |
Alert | | If we fought WWII like we fight today, Germany and Japan would rule our country, well they almost do now, and China | |
There are no real reasons for failure,
only excuses | |
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|  | outtatime
Posts:6
| | 07/12/2007 6:02 AM |
Alert | If we are going to get anywhere in the war against Muslim Fascists we need to prosecute the war as we did in World War II. No smart bombs to play nice, no rules of engagement other than the GC.
The animals we are fighting understand power and violence and we and when large quantities of both are applied they will submit. In Iraq, we should have bombed, bombed and then bombed some more and then sent in a million troops in operation steamroller. Then the Iraqis would be properly demoralized and in such abject poverty that they would be completely dependent upon us for their survival.
This formula seem to work with the other fanatics we fought in the pacific, the Japanese. | | | |
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| | Reagan
Posts:682
| | 07/12/2007 12:56 PM |
Alert | We are losing our will on a number of fronts.
We are prosecuting our own soliders for killing Iraqi civilians. It's war, and Bush should pardon them.
We are in a Global economy, and no politician seems to care that Ford and GM will soon be out of business.
Many are trying to take away our borders and give Amnesty to any and all that cross the border.
Politician make it hard for our soliders to fight by a huge book of rules, while the Islamists from the 7th century kill them while having to abid by no rules and not even wear a uniform.
The list goes on and on. When our kids grow up not being able to say Illegal Immigrant or Islamist, because they will be called racists, they aren't going to have the will to fight for what we have. It's the PC world we live in that is killing our will to fight. And I suppose the PC comes mostly from liberal agendas. | |
Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.
Reagan, Los Angeles Times, January 7, 1970 | |
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| | Cactus Rob
Posts:896
| | 07/12/2007 7:18 PM |
Alert | | No, but I think the American people are losing their patience with politicians who are ruining (yes, I said ruining, not running) this country. They should turn the administration of the war over to military leaders and give them the authority and resources to do whatever it takes to win. | | | |
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| | caveman
Posts:1014
| | 07/12/2007 9:55 PM |
Alert | | Did you guys ever think that this war is based on a false premise and that a number of Americans are embarrassed by the way the president has acted through this whole affair. He made up facts to jump us into a war with a country that did nothing wrong. Sure they may have not been the best of people but Osama is still running wild and he was not from Iraq. Bush has done more to divide this country than anyone and has made Americans look like retards for voting for him. He is as crooked as they get and has screwed us all over. Forget the war it is time for us to pull out and leave this mess. They won't be following us home either. | | | |
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| | Reagan
Posts:682
| | 07/13/2007 8:47 AM |
Alert | Althought there hasn't been any chemical, biological, or nuecular weapons found, Saddam did have them in the past. He gased thousands of his own people, and that is why he is now dead.
Hind-sight is always 20/20. But take the mentality of our country shortly after 9/11. I don't know about you, but I saw those attacks as the Islamists asking for a fight. Back in school, if I got a black eye from a kid, and the next day his brother said he was going to do the same next week, I would take the fight to him before getting a matching black eye. Saddam could have obeyed the UN and the war wouldn't have started, or at least been delayed. However, when someone who previously had chemical weapons, won't allow inspectors free rein, and says they want to take out Isreal and Americans, its time to go to war.
War is tough, and Bush isn't making it any easier fighting it in a PC manner. I want to see our troops come home, and I don't care what happens with Iraq. Iraqis can live or die, but leaving an unstable Iraq up for grabs with all the oil isn't a viable plan. I say give until September and see how things are going. If there is no progress, then start carpet bombing. Maybe the terrorists won't be here tomorrow, but giving them really easy access to finance their terror through oil can't be good for any "infidels." | |
Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.
Reagan, Los Angeles Times, January 7, 1970 | |
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| | NEZ
Posts:515
| | 07/13/2007 9:39 AM |
Alert | This thread is a bunch of Egocentric, rhetoric. If I wanted to watch O'Reilly Factor, I'd watch his mornonic show. I don't need his spin in these forums.
You guys just flat out don't understand politics....besides Reagan. | |
AmyG steals lil' nick nacks from your home.
Don't let AmyG in your house. | |
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| | NEZ
Posts:515
| | 07/13/2007 9:41 AM |
Alert | And how in the name of Satan are we losing our will to defend ourselves?? You are talking about steamrolling Iraq, and defending ourselves??
I guess you are somewhat right. Governement restrictions on business....leave us unable to defend ourselves financially from China. The wallet is all that matters. | |
AmyG steals lil' nick nacks from your home.
Don't let AmyG in your house. | |
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| | NEZ
Posts:515
| | 07/13/2007 9:43 AM |
Alert | | The baby boomers have been the stupidest generation of Americans in the history of mankind. There time is nearly up. If Gen X and Y can't make significant reductions in policies....America has T minus 70 years as any sort of world power. | |
AmyG steals lil' nick nacks from your home.
Don't let AmyG in your house. | |
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| | 06woman
Posts:356
| | 07/13/2007 7:18 PM |
Alert | Posted By NEZ on 07/13/2007 9:43 AM
The baby boomers have been the stupidest generation of Americans in the history of mankind. There time is nearly up. If Gen X and Y can't make significant reductions in policies....America has T minus 70 years as any sort of world power.
Can't believe I'm going to say this, but I agree with NEZ on this one.
PC? You are worried about being PC and losing our country? All these other countries that aren't "PC" are fighting with each other over whose religious beliefs are the ones that the people should believe! Take Ireland, for instance. They've been at war for hundreds of years over some small technicality between the Episcopal church and the Catholic church. What wonderful Christians they are! Sunday Bloody Sunday! We're heading in that direction here. Look at the former Yugoslavia! Religious war again! Al Quaida, against us in the name of their so called religious (albeit, radical for sure) beliefs. What's happening, is that we are allowing too much Christian influence in our policymaking. There needs to be separation because we are not teaching tolerance for diversity by our president standing on his podium talking about "nukular" weapons, proclaiming his Christian beliefs, condemning stem cell research and abortion,while at the same time sending hundreds of our young soldiers to unnecessary death in Iraq. Makes me sick. | |
"Happiness is a journey...not a destination."
"The highest form of ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about." -
Dr. Wayne W. Dyer
This is my son and a Lake Erie sunset. July 8,2007
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| | outtatime
Posts:6
| | 07/16/2007 7:11 PM |
Alert | 06woman, don't be so naive, these wars you mention in your replay were not fought as a result of religion. Very simply they were fought for power. Just as Stalin used Leninism/Marxism to gain and maintain power, Al Qaeda is using their interpretation of Islam to gain power.
Since this country was founded by a bunch of White, Christian guys and is a Western, Christian nation I would submit that there is not enough Christian influence in the policymaking in Washington. From your diatiribe I would have to assume that you equate Christianity with intolerance. I am not sure why that is since anyone that takes the time to read the bible will find that Christianity is anything but intolerant.
There is one thing I hope you can enlighten me on, Why should we be taught tolerance? | | | |
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| | umtech
Posts:137
| | 07/19/2007 8:38 PM |
Alert | | In some ways I'm going to differ here on this subject. As I see it, we elect politicians to support our ideas and beliefs, however how many wars have we fought that have taken any amount of time (so far Irag now if I count right) the other small wars, Panama, Kuwait etc have lasted what about 2-4 months, the last major war before this was Vietnam. What happens to all wars where we start loosing our troops, the public starts to change their mind and wants to bring them home. The politicians being goats that they are just follow along and eat the same grass and say bring them home. The problem in my mind is that no one is willing to spill their blood for our freedom except the troops themselves whom are then binded by rules of engagements and this and that and of course back to the politicians who think they can run the war from here and know whats right and then comes along the American public who doesn't want to have anyone die or shed there blood for our freedom. And what about god forbid something happens over on our land as it did in 9/11 but this time they coming to take over. When people start loosing their lives are we going to go oh stop, people are dieing and then let them have it all? | | | |
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| | CrownNCoke
Posts:810
| | 07/20/2007 10:18 AM |
Alert | | oh where oh where did our carpet bombing days go? I wasnt alive then but it seemed like it worked. | |
The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed.
Carl Jung | |
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| | cptpizza
Posts:67
| | 07/20/2007 8:47 PM |
Alert | Well, to the original topic question that was posed:Absolutely!!! We have lost the will to defend ourselves.
I firmly believe that by bringing the fight to the middle east we are lowering our chances of having to fight the battle in our own back yards. And let's face it people, we are on the front lines. Where are they going to come from? One guess, that gaping hole known as the United States Southern Border.
The fact of the matter is, the constitution starts with WE THE PEOPLE. The problem is the politicians are more worried about their personal agenda's and keeping their job than realizing that they were elected to represent us. John McCain has missed approximately 50% of his votes because he thinks "The people of Arizona realize he is running for president and they understand..." or something to that effect.
Excuse me Mr. McCain:
You were elected to represent Arizona in the United States Senate. Last time I checked, I did not see an entry on the Ballot for electing my next Presidential Candidate for his campaign.
After 9/11 everyone was waving their flags and claiming thier patriotism. As soon as a few brave men and women spilled a little blood, everyone got a weak stomach. If the founders of this country got the same weak stomach and decided to cut and run back in 1776, this country and possibly democracy as we know it would not exist.
CNN reported that US Casualties in the war on terror surpassed 9/11 on September 3, 2006. It took years to equal the number of deaths that the terrorists caused in minutes on that day. I still remember what I was doing when I found out.
I still get sick to my stomach every time I think about the people that died for going to work, going to school, visiting new york, or whatever other reason they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time that day.
I still get angry thinking about the muslim's that are suing the airline because their rights were violated the day that they decided they would sit in different seats (like the terrorists), ask for seatbelt extensions when they didn't need them, and pray to a god that (in some muslim's eyes) teaches hatrid and murder.
They complain their rights have been violated? What about the rights of every American to fly without the fear of being intentionally blown up? What about the rights of americans to fly at all the week of that horrific event? What about my right to leave my shoe's on when I go through the security screening at the airport? Every American that boards a plane has had his or her rights violated since September 11, 2001. So, excuse me if I feel no sympathy for those who didn't get to fly that day!
I am done ranting. Thanks for reading, whether you agree or not....
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| | caveman
Posts:1014
| | 07/20/2007 9:48 PM |
Alert | | My hat goes off to Fox news. It looks like their propaganda machine has worked. | | | |
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