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vinny
Posts:668
 | | 10/10/2007 6:54 PM |
 Alert | Posted By Jason on 10/10/2007 6:36 PM
I imagine road rage would go up if guns were outlawed. Part of what keeps people in check is the fear that if they piss off the wrong person they could be blown right off the road. Without that fear, the drivers of larger vehicles would be more aggressive, because they know that there is absolutely nothing that the little sedan driver can do.
but if someone is careless enough to shoot over road rage they will probably not give a crap about the gun laws, and have one anyway.
if the second amendment was revoked all the guns in the us would not vaporize.
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| | caveman
Posts:1088
| | 10/10/2007 7:42 PM |
Alert | | Who needs a gun when you can just hop in a car and run somebody down. Cars are readily available and everyone has a car at their home. Quick, lets outlaw cars! Cars kill people! | | | |
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| | DesertDweller
Posts:2559
| | 10/10/2007 8:20 PM |
Alert | There will always be guns. It's impossible to eliminate them now that they have been invented and mass produced. So the question is, who is allowed to have them? Only the government? The government and the people? Given that choice, which is the only one practical, I say the latter.
The Second Amendment wasn't so much intended to guarantee the right of someone to hunt or protect his family from armed, marauding lunatics as it was to protect his freedom from the oppression of government. Government tyranny was the prime motivator behind the Declaration of Independence. It's amazing how soon we forget that. | |
Stupid should hurt!
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| | Tigg
Posts:549
| | 10/10/2007 9:12 PM |
Alert | The gun control laws that we already have aren't enforced. If they were, and could be, then no fellons would have guns. The fact is, fellons have pretty easy access to get as many guns as they can, without any record of the fact that they own those guns. The only result that we would see if guns were outlawed would be that only the criminals would have them and therefore, the criminals would be free to use them knowing that their victims would have only toasters and knives to fight back with. Where guns are readily available, such as here in Arizona, a criminal really has to think twice because that sweet little old lady or innocent young woman may very well be armed and be an excellent marksman. They just don't know who can and will shoot back at them when guns are leagal for the law abiding masses.
Guns can be a great safty device and a deturrant when the bad guys know that anyone is able to fight back on a level playing field (since they also have no way of knowing if you have excellent aim or couldn't hit the broad side of a barn until a shot is fired).
Those with bad intentions will ALWAYS find a way to get, or make, what they want (or come up with an equally 'useful' item (such as the example of bombs instead of guns that was given). Drugs are outlawed, yet hardly scarce. Durring Prohibition, alcohol was outlawed, yet it was readily available. It is nearly impossible to truly ban something and have it actually be unavailable to those who are determined enough to get their hands on it. | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/10/2007 10:08 PM |
Alert | Posted By Tigg on 10/10/2007 9:12 PM
The gun control laws that we already have aren't enforced. If they were, and could be, then no fellons would have guns.
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Those with bad intentions will ALWAYS find a way to get, or make, what they want (or come up with an equally 'useful' item (such as the example of bombs instead of guns that was given).
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| | Tigg
Posts:549
| | 10/10/2007 10:13 PM |
Alert | | Yes, Jason, we know you are easily confused. | | | |
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|  | caveman
Posts:1088
| | 10/10/2007 11:14 PM |
Alert | Posted By Tigg on 10/10/2007 9:12 PM
The gun control laws that we already have aren't enforced. If they were, and could be, then no fellons would have guns. The fact is, fellons have pretty easy access to get as many guns as they can, without any record of the fact that they own those guns.
Can you explain this I don't understand. Is there a place that caters to felons strictly? Are you referring to criminals getting guns illicitly on the street? Can you clarify? | | | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3645
| | 10/10/2007 11:25 PM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 10/10/2007 1:25 PM
As mentioned before, guns kill at a distance. So I think you'd pretty much be dead en route. Based on your responses, your argument is either falling like a house of cards or you're just apathetic.
none of the above.
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| | drummer72
Posts:3645
| | 10/10/2007 11:26 PM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 10/10/2007 6:36 PM
I imagine road rage would go up if guns were outlawed. Part of what keeps people in check is the fear that if they piss off the wrong person they could be blown right off the road. Without that fear, the drivers of larger vehicles would be more aggressive, because they know that there is absolutely nothing that the little sedan driver can do.
Just don't piss anyone off and drive.
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| | drummer72
Posts:3645
| | 10/10/2007 11:29 PM |
Alert | Posted By JennyPStefanow on 10/10/2007 3:02 PM
Oh, Jenny, *slaps self on wrist* I told you to stay out of the politics and religion threads!
But as a single woman who is a gun owner, I feel obliged to respond. Do I think it's "cool" to own a gun? No. For me, it has nothing to do with status. Do I enjoy target shooting, and have I been trained to shoot? Yes. Some of my best memories are of going to the range with my Dad. I also have a security system, and thanks to Cujo (pictured), a dog, too. But if it's three a.m., I'm home alone in bed, the alarm goes off and the dog starts growling, I reach for my Ruger first, then my cell phone. Both are kept near my bed.
Will I shoot someone to save my "stuff" (that's a laugh in itself!)? Heck no! But will I hold a potential rapist/murderer at gunpoint while I wait for ADT to dispatch the authorities? If he doesn't have the common sense to make like a tree and leave, yes.
I've unfortunately known women who have been threatened by guns in domestic situations, and the case you referenced is a true tragedy. But to blame the gun is in a way to excuse the abuser, and that, to me, is inexcusable. I know that things happen in the heat of the moment, but illegalizing guns isn't the way to stop domestic violence. In those situations, the abuser will still find a way to kill the abused if that's his "heat of the moment" urge. You can wrap a toaster in towel and brain somebody - what will we do next, outlaw toasters? Heck, break a glass or a bottle and you have a handy dagger - what to do, mandate that everything be made of plastic? That ought to make the oil barons happy (and yes, I do read way too much Stephen King and watch too many horror movies).
But the point remains, if somebody is psychotic, on drugs, abusive, or all three, and is set on killing, they'll find a way to do it, gun or no gun. Knowing that an intruder/attacker may have a gun makes me want to maintain the right to have my own. Keeping a gun in my home is a personal choice; for me, it is a last resort in case of extreme emergency. And it is just that - a choice. I've never committed a crime - why shouldn't I be allowed to defend myself? Like I said, I'm a single gal whose taken all the precautions. If an intruder is in my bedroom, it isn't Avon calling. If they're unarmed, they can beat it on out of there. If they are armed, why shouldn't I be allowed to be armed as well?
Nice answers and thanks for not attacking my opinion. | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3645
| | 10/10/2007 11:32 PM |
Alert | Posted By jeeptj02 on 10/10/2007 6:27 PM
I THINK GUNS ARE WAY COOL! IN FACT THERE COOLER TO HAVE THEN A BEARS JERSEY! by the way preaty hard to do a knee strike or a foot thurst when some rampaging mexican hoped up on meth is comming after your family with a gun. yes even people that practice martial arts still carry guns. Im 6'4 and preaty built and can intimadate alot of people but a .45 still scares the crap out of me if its pointed at me.
Wait a second! If you talk about my Bears jersey, I may have to buy a gun...just kidding!
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| | Colgate
Posts:629
| | 10/10/2007 11:47 PM |
Alert | | I happen to like my Glock! I do think there should be tuffer laws in order to obtain a gun of any sort. I also think every person should have to attend a gun safety course and have a certificate to both purchase and carry one. I know there are laws to CCW, but it happens all the time. Like stated all through this thread things happen while in a rage, heat of passion, depression and so on, wether it be using a firearm, knife, OD, hanging, the list goes on. One can try to change it or lessen it, but you can't stop all of it. | |
Live every day as if it were your last and smile! | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3645
| | 10/11/2007 12:15 AM |
Alert | and more....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071011/ap_on_re_us/school_shooting | |
"Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | ravensnest
Posts:120
| | 10/11/2007 5:54 AM |
Alert | | Drummer72 You forgot the story out of the south were a teenager entered a school intent on shooting fellow classmates. A janitor saw the student carrying arms into the school. the janitor grabbed a shotgun from his pickup truck in the parking lot, confronted the student and held him at bay till the police arrived. Later it was discovered at his home that he had planned a columbine attack on his fellow students. Had the janitor not acted many school children would be dead. What i tried in the story i told earlier in this thread and others on this thread expressed is that sometimes a person if left with no choice but to defend themselves from someone intent on causing harm. regardless if its a home break in , a school incident , or as occurred in my case of 5 drunks trying to assault me and a girl on a lonely road. | | | |
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| | jhall
Posts:1246
| | 10/11/2007 7:51 AM |
Alert | Posted By AzSandSlinger on 10/10/2007 5:27 PM
I have a shirt for you, Vin...
http://www.cafepress.com/wannamakeout.16971890
I think I want to get one too..lol..
-Shane
Haha that t shirt is awesome!
I want tis one too
http://www.schooluniforms.com/6637.html | |
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
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| | Mr. Whitefolks
Posts:63
| | 10/11/2007 9:23 AM |
Alert | | The bottom line is our need for a very small, very reasonable, yet very compassionate objective Federal Government. The 2nd Amendment is guaranteed - no exceptions. I feel that armed citizens are less likely to be bullied by criminals, over-run by a police state or forcefully governed by a zealous God Fearing Army of Crusaders. States Rights need to be much stronger and the Federal government should be reduced by 80%. The Federal Government has very little business in the personal affairs of it's citizens. | |
"We are overcome by anguish at this illogical moment of humanity.” - Che
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/11/2007 9:40 AM |
Alert | Posted By Tigg on 10/10/2007 10:13 PM
Yes, Jason, we know you are easily confused.
 I wasn't confused, just puzzled that you would make a contradicting statement like that. | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/11/2007 9:42 AM |
Alert | Posted By drummer72 on 10/10/2007 11:25 PM Posted By Jason on 10/10/2007 1:25 PM
As mentioned before, guns kill at a distance. So I think you'd pretty much be dead en route. Based on your responses, your argument is either falling like a house of cards or you're just apathetic. none of the above.
No, it's the latter. Just like the "pro-choice Catholics" thread, you're willing to just let your opinion sit there instead of defending it. You have many different reasons presented why it is not a reasonable one in reality and you don't do anything but make comments like these. That is apathy. I'm sure many people would be interested in hearing a little research or factual data to support your opinion. Even if you haven't done your research, you're still entitled to it, but don't be surprised when people pull out tons of reasons why it is wrong. | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/11/2007 9:56 AM |
Alert | Posted By drummer72 on 10/10/2007 11:26 PM Posted By Jason on 10/10/2007 6:36 PM
I imagine road rage would go up if guns were outlawed. Part of what keeps people in check is the fear that if they piss off the wrong person they could be blown right off the road. Without that fear, the drivers of larger vehicles would be more aggressive, because they know that there is absolutely nothing that the little sedan driver can do. Just don't piss anyone off and drive.
I didn't say that I did. I said that without guns, larger vehicles, such as trucks that are lifted way up (they're usually the most bullying of all of the trucks on the road) plus semis, and SUV drivers that are very aggressive, will feel more able to bully other drivers around. | |
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| | CliffinAZ
Posts:405
| | 10/11/2007 10:06 AM |
Alert | One point I made on another thread--and saw some people make here--is that outlawing guns would only prevent law abiding citizens from getting them, making those citizens essentially helpless sheep for the criminals who will still obtain guns because they don't care that they are illegal and will always find a way to obtain them (again, think prohibition or law on drugs), and will use them much quicker than anyone can dial 911 much less have the luxury of waiting 15 minutes for a police response. Thus, in the larger scheme of things this will do the exact opposite of protecting law-abiding citizens (i.e., making them more vulnerable to the criminal with the gun), unless you can remove criminal intent altogether from humanity.
Again, drummer72--with no disrespect intended and with the understanding that your intentions behind what you're suggesting are good--if you can make a counter argument for how this will NOT happen as an outcome of gun prohibition laws, I'm all ears. | | | |
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