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| | Author | Messages | |
JillyBean
Posts:375
 | | 10/06/2007 11:16 PM |
 Alert | | http://news.independent.co.uk/world/africa/article3030349.ece | |
Tens of THOUSANDS of pure-bred dogs are killed in shelters in the Us EVERY YEAR!
Do your part
~Spay or Neuter your pets
~DON'T buy animals from irresponsible breeders..
~There is an adoption group for every breed of dog.. | |
| | JillyBean
Posts:375
| | 10/06/2007 11:17 PM |
Alert | Has anyone heard about this? Anyone have any insight into how credible this is? Seriously..
The French committing genocide on par with the Nazis? | |
Tens of THOUSANDS of pure-bred dogs are killed in shelters in the Us EVERY YEAR!
Do your part
~Spay or Neuter your pets
~DON'T buy animals from irresponsible breeders..
~There is an adoption group for every breed of dog.. | |
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| | jhall
Posts:1335
| | 10/07/2007 9:01 AM |
Alert | | I haven't but I will look into it. It doesn't surprise me.... they are French | |
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke | |
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| | caveman
Posts:1214
| | 10/08/2007 4:26 PM |
Alert | Posted By jhall on 10/07/2007 9:01 AM
I haven't but I will look into it. It doesn't surprise me.... they are French
I love the racial hatred. Keep it coming brother.
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| | HiggsBoson
Posts:641
| | 10/08/2007 4:55 PM |
Alert | Frances involvement in CAR is nothing compared to their involvement in Rwanda (if certain claims are to be believed). This conflict is real but it seems the article is very sensationalized with the "Nazi genocide" talk.
Thank,
Higgs | |
Liberalism and capitalism address themselves to the cool, well-balanced mind. They proceed by strict logic, eliminating any appeal to the emotions. Socialism, on the contrary, works on the emotions, tries to violate logical considerations by rousing a sense of personal interest and to stifle the voice of reason by awakening primitive instincts.
-- Ludwig Von Mises | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3886
| | 10/08/2007 6:21 PM |
Alert | Posted By jhall on 10/07/2007 9:01 AM
I haven't but I will look into it. It doesn't surprise me.... they are French
Yes, nice racial remarks there,pal. On second thought I'm not suprised, with that coming from a Brit. | |
"Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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|  | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/08/2007 6:55 PM |
Alert | Posted By JillyBean on 10/06/2007 11:16 PM
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/africa/article3030349.ece
Sounds like evolution to me... | |
Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | jhall
Posts:1335
| | 10/09/2007 7:25 AM |
Alert | Posted By drummer72 on 10/08/2007 6:21 PM Posted By jhall on 10/07/2007 9:01 AM
I haven't but I will look into it. It doesn't surprise me.... they are French Yes, nice racial remarks there,pal. On second thought I'm not suprised, with that coming from a Brit.
Why is it that you feel you can dish out negative comments.....but require others to give you theirs in private? Afraid your S*** might stink too much to be public? | |
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/09/2007 10:19 AM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 10/08/2007 6:55 PM Posted By JillyBean on 10/06/2007 11:16 PM
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/africa/article3030349.ece Sounds like evolution to me...
Seriously though, if you believe in evolution, how can you have a problem with this? Isn't it just survival of the fittest? | |
Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/09/2007 6:12 PM |
Alert | | An answer? Anyone? | |
Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | HiggsBoson
Posts:641
| | 10/10/2007 9:34 AM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 10/09/2007 10:19 AM Posted By Jason on 10/08/2007 6:55 PM Posted By JillyBean on 10/06/2007 11:16 PM
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/africa/article3030349.ece Sounds like evolution to me... Seriously though, if you believe in evolution, how can you have a problem with this? Isn't it just survival of the fittest?
Seriously, go away troll. This thread is about war in Africa.
Thanks,
Higgs | |
Liberalism and capitalism address themselves to the cool, well-balanced mind. They proceed by strict logic, eliminating any appeal to the emotions. Socialism, on the contrary, works on the emotions, tries to violate logical considerations by rousing a sense of personal interest and to stifle the voice of reason by awakening primitive instincts.
-- Ludwig Von Mises | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/10/2007 11:04 AM |
Alert | | I was not trolling, I asked a serious question that is related. If you don't like to read it, why don't you just skip over it instead of wasting your time and mine? | |
Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | JillyBean
Posts:375
| | 10/10/2007 12:48 PM |
Alert | No, it is not survival of the fittest. These people haven't died in competition for food. They were murdered.
And humans are at a very awkward stage of evolution. We're smart enough to side step almost every limiting factor Mother Nature has thrown at us, but we're not smart enough to find our balance with nature. | |
Tens of THOUSANDS of pure-bred dogs are killed in shelters in the Us EVERY YEAR!
Do your part
~Spay or Neuter your pets
~DON'T buy animals from irresponsible breeders..
~There is an adoption group for every breed of dog.. | |
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| | HiggsBoson
Posts:641
| | 10/10/2007 12:55 PM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 10/10/2007 11:04 AM
I was not trolling, I asked a serious question that is related. If you don't like to read it, why don't you just skip over it instead of wasting your time and mine?
Aren't there enough "evolution" threads going here for you to comment on?
Thanks,
Higgs | |
Liberalism and capitalism address themselves to the cool, well-balanced mind. They proceed by strict logic, eliminating any appeal to the emotions. Socialism, on the contrary, works on the emotions, tries to violate logical considerations by rousing a sense of personal interest and to stifle the voice of reason by awakening primitive instincts.
-- Ludwig Von Mises | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/10/2007 1:00 PM |
Alert | Posted By JillyBean on 10/10/2007 12:48 PM
No, it is not survival of the fittest. These people haven't died in competition for food. They were murdered.
 I didn't say anything about food. The people doing the murdering are able to because they are fitter, right? So where is the beef?
And humans are at a very awkward stage of evolution. We're smart enough to side step almost every limiting factor Mother Nature has thrown at us, but we're not smart enough to find our balance with nature.
Nature has many instances of murder just because animals can. Why are we any different? | |
Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/10/2007 1:02 PM |
Alert | Posted By HiggsBoson on 10/10/2007 12:55 PM Posted By Jason on 10/10/2007 11:04 AM
I was not trolling, I asked a serious question that is related. If you don't like to read it, why don't you just skip over it instead of wasting your time and mine? Aren't there enough "evolution" threads going here for you to comment on? Thanks, Higgs
I suppose I could start a new one, but I've already got Jill's attention, so why waste time starting a new one? The context is already here. Besides, this thread was pretty much dead anyways. | |
Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | ChimneyDuck
Posts:244
| | 10/10/2007 1:32 PM |
Alert | I've always had a suspicion that people confused social darwinism with evolution.
Take a look at these two ideas, then rephrase your question if you think it is still related to this topic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/10/2007 2:14 PM |
Alert | I might have temporarily confused the two, but the ideas are the same: natural selection and survival of the fittest. It is through these mechanisms that evolution works, weeding out bad genes, bad branches of species, etc. Why does it not apply to the situation that the OP posted? If the French are able to why should they not be allowed to wipe out those that aren't as fit? The concepts are the same, so if you don't have a problem with evolution, why would you have a problem with Social Darwinism?
The same goes for us. If you're going to believe in evolution, then why should we not crush the weaker opponents? We should be putting those nukes to good use, right? | |
Joined: Jul 2005 | |
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| | CliffinAZ
Posts:406
| | 10/11/2007 11:04 AM |
Alert | Posted By Jason on 10/10/2007 2:14 PM
I might have temporarily confused the two, but the ideas are the same: natural selection and survival of the fittest. It is through these mechanisms that evolution works, weeding out bad genes, bad branches of species, etc. Why does it not apply to the situation that the OP posted? If the French are able to why should they not be allowed to wipe out those that aren't as fit? The concepts are the same, so if you don't have a problem with evolution, why would you have a problem with Social Darwinism?
The same goes for us. If you're going to believe in evolution, then why should we not crush the weaker opponents? We should be putting those nukes to good use, right?
Evolution is about natural selection of one species vs. another over time out of competition for scarce resources (or more accurately, that's one piece of evolution). Here we're talking about members of a single species rapidly killing other members of that same species. I don't see that as evolution, just genocide.
Also and most fundamentally, we need to recognize the distinction between description vs. prescription. Evolution is mechanism used to explain/describe events that have occurred. Those who "believe in" evolution believe that it is a plausible descriptive mechanism to explain those events, based on the evidence they see--not that they "believe in it" as a guide to prescribing what one should do or not do in one's own life. Saying that "evolution is a plausible explanation for what has been observed" is a far cry from saying "we should allow genocide because it supports evolution," which is what you're proposing. To say the two are the same or that first implies the second completely ignores the distinction between prescription and description. As well as the fact that evolution is used to describe competition between different species and how a given species can change over time--not a single species killing itself. Unless you're trying to suggest that differences in racial characteristics somehow make the French and those being slaughtered members of different species, which I don't think you're trying to imply. | | | |
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| | Jason
Posts:3378
| | 10/11/2007 11:24 AM |
Alert | | You're right, I'm not trying to imply that the French and those being slaughtered are of a different species. However, natural selection and survival of the fittest (SotF for shorthand) don't work only on the species level. It works all the way down to the level of genes, so again, why would the French not be considered superior in an evolutionary respect: they are more wealthy, healthy and powerful. From a SotF standpoint, there is no reason that they should not be allowed to wipe out those less fit. As far as the species and SotF goes, the species becomes stronger when weaker members are eliminated. I do understand what you're describing with description versus prescription, but why should we add our own artificial veneer of "genocide" to the evolutionary processes? If evolution is the best description for how we got here, who are we to prescribe something else? As a species, how are we any different that we would not grow stronger by strictly following evolutionary guidelines and eliminating the weaker members of our species? | |
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