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jhall
Posts:1342
 | | 09/30/2007 9:39 AM |
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No charges for dead babies
~~ Joseph Farah
I told you so.
I hate to say it, but I told you so.
Back on Aug. 9, I told you about the case of Christy Freeman, an Ocean City, Md., mother suspected of killing her newborn, or possibly unborn, baby in 2004 along with three others.
The remains of the children were all found at her home last month.
At first, investigators didn't know what to charge her with. Finally, they decided murder was the appropriate crime.
But, though the bodies of these victims were found in her possession, how could it be proved she killed them after birth? That was the question. If she killed them one minute before they were born, she was home free because Maryland, like many other states, expressly protects women who murder their own unborn children for any reason or no reason at all.
Also, it was unclear to prosecutors whether there was any crime in keeping the remains of dead babies.
Welcome to the world after Roe v. Wade.
Do you really want to make the argument this activist judicial ruling didn't cheapen life in America?
The case began when Freeman, a taxi driver and mother of four offspring who survived her household, went to the hospital after giving birth. Police searched her home for the baby and found a recently deceased infant under the bathroom sink. They also found three more sets of older baby remains, two in a trunk in the living room and one in a recreational vehicle parked outside the house of horrors.
When an examination found the fresh remains were from a stillborn, prosecutors dismissed murder charges. But they also charged her with killing one of the other children found in the trunk. Investigators believe she gave birth to twins on a toilet in 2004 and allowed one of them to die.
But now that charge, too, has been thrown out.
No crime, no punishment. Presumably, Freeman will be permitted to play devoted mother to the four surviving children.
The case hasn't received much publicity outside the area. No wonder. I don't think most journalists know what to make of such a case. After all, there weren't supposed to be people like Freeman anymore – not after abortion was made "safe and legal." Contraception was supposed to free women of unwanted pregnancies, and taxpayer-subsidized abortions were supposed to ensure that messiness like this would never be necessary.
Yet, here it is – staring us in the face.
There's a slight chance you might see Freeman's face flashed on the news. But there's no chance you will ever see the gruesome images of those four little ones whose lives were snuffed out.
And that's why it remains so easy for America to tolerate this national crime, this national shame, this national sin known as abortion on demand.
As I wrote last month about this case: "God knows what possessed Freeman to do what she did. Men and women have always done evil things and always will. It's their nature. And that is why government has a responsibility to rein in the worst of man's excesses – to keep us, at a minimum, from killing one another, to protect the innocent."
I also wrote: "It will be interesting if it turns out that no crime was committed. It's quite possible that four dead babies in your house is nothing more than, say, a health code violation, thanks to Roe v. Wade."
About this, I was wrong. It's not even a health-code violation. It's not even a reason to remove children from your care.
It's simply a non-event.
I really hate to say it, but I told you so. | |
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke | |
| | jhall
Posts:1342
| | 09/30/2007 9:40 AM |
Alert | "When people say they are both pro-choice and Christian, they are either heretics, outright frauds, or painfully ignorant about what it means to be a Christian. Two non-negotiable foundations of Christian doctrine are 1) God is the author of life, and 2) He is incapable of making mistakes. The only logical conclusion one can draw from those beliefs is that when life exists in the womb, it is God's will that it be there. On the other hand, support for legal abortion always denies at least one, and generally both, of those two fundamental concepts. By definition, that makes the "pro-choice" position incompatible with Christianity. When someone claims to be both pro-choice and Christian, he or she is basically asserting three principles. The first is that life is not a right inherited from God but a privilege bestowed by human beings who can withhold it if they "choose" to do so. The second is that God is neutral on whether or not a child He created is brutally torn limb from limb. Finally, they are saying that it is possible to reject the innocent new lives that God creates without rejecting God Himself. From a Christian perspective, all three of these positions are absurd. The bottom line is there can be no such thing as a "pro-choice Christian" when abortion is the choice. A Christian cannot be pro-choice about the intentional destruction of innocent human life any more than he can be pro-choice about rape, robbery, slavery, incest, child abuse, etc. Those who participate in or defend the abortion holocaust are as godless as those who have participated in or defended most of the world's other holocausts." ~~Mark Crutcher
"You don't have to believe in God to know that killing a baby in the very act of birth (partial birth abortion) is just plain wrong, not to mention barbaric, but the pious-when-convenient Kerry was one of a handful of the most politically hardened senators to vote against it. Kerry, however, tries to finesse this vote, bragging about his 100 percent pro-abortion voting record to the NOW crowd but telling voters in more conservative areas that it was because the ban contained no exception for the "health" of the mother. You have to be pretty stupid to keep falling for that one after the pro-abortion American Medical Association came out against this procedure. Partial birth abortions were done for the convenience of abortionists. It also allowed them to exploit a loophole in the law to avoid one of the most common complications of late-term abortions – a live birth." ~~ Jane Chastain
"Have you ever noticed how the same people who think aborting an unborn baby is the moral equivalent of having a tooth pulled, campaign so hard for an end to capital punishment of convicted mass murderers?" ~~ Joseph Farah
"No liberal cause is defended with more dishonesty than abortion. No matter what else they pretend to care about from time to time – undermining national security, aiding terrorists, oppressing the middle class, freeing violent criminals – the single most important item on the Democrats' agenda is abortion. Indeed, abortion is the one issue the Democratic Party is willing to go to war over – except in the Muslim world, which is jam-packed with prohibitions ..ion, but going to war against a Muslim nation might also serve America's national security objectives. Liberals don't care about women. They care about destroying human life. To them, 2,200 military deaths in the entire course of a war in Iraq is unconscionable, but 1.3 million aborted babies in America every year is something to celebrate." ~~ Ann Coulter | |
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke | |
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| | demonica
Posts:850
| | 09/30/2007 10:29 AM |
Alert | | but it doesn't seem to strike you as odd to have pro-war christians. or pro-capital punhishment christians. how dare you tell others what they can and cannot believe in? not only do you waste your breath telling us nonm-christians why we are werong and going to hell, but now you are telling your fellow christians what they can and cannot support. no wonder you profess such a profound belief in god, it would appear that you believe you are him! | | | |
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| | Cletus
Posts:126
| | 09/30/2007 10:29 AM |
Alert | JHall -
Your Avatar is inaccurate. War has NOT ended slavery, facism, nazism, communisim, and baathism. All are alive and well in the world today in some form or another.
Cletus | | | |
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| | jhall
Posts:1342
| | 09/30/2007 10:44 AM |
Alert | | What was Slavery ended in the US by? Delivering milk and cookies to every slave owner and giving them hugs? By asking them nicely? NO WAR made them change! Did the appeasement from the French toward Nazi Germany save them from being annihilated? No what finally pushed Nazi Germany out? UN resolutions? Donations to the Nazi party? WAR!! Pushed them back and out of power. Agreed some forms of all of this still exist, and despite your liberal buddies efforts, the USA is doing something about it. | |
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke | |
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| | Bionicbunny
Posts:618
| | 09/30/2007 11:05 AM |
Alert | Who is and who is not a Christian is not for us to decide. But I would like to ask, if you are a Christian how can abortion be justified biblically? If you consider yourself a Christian, can you use the Bible to justify killing an unborn baby that God has created? I'm not asking about Christians justifying anything else like war or capital punishment, lets take this one item at a time. How can a Christian use the bible to justify abortion?
Now, I can see how a woman who considers herself a Christian could have an abortion, then repent and be forgiven. But being pro choice is taking a stance that it is ok to kill an unborn baby. That is very different. | | | |
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|  | Bionicbunny
Posts:618
| | 09/30/2007 11:07 AM |
Alert | Posted By demonica on 09/30/2007 10:29 AM
not only do you waste your breath telling us nonm-christians why we are werong and going to hell,
Did jhall say that? Please quote because I missed the going to hell part. | | | |
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| | Digger
Posts:63
| | 09/30/2007 11:12 AM |
Alert | Now we have Athiest defending Christians? Now I've seen it all!
Different shades of Christianity doesn't make them all right. Some reveal their true nature good or bad, it's all up to interpretation. Ultimately we as Christians get judged like everyone else. In Gods eye's each "sin" is judged equally, that way no one can brag. | | | |
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| | Cletus
Posts:126
| | 09/30/2007 11:51 AM |
Alert | | I've never seen more belligerant hatemongering in my life than the postings of jhall. | | | |
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| | jhall
Posts:1342
| | 09/30/2007 3:12 PM |
Alert | | If calling a murderer a murderer is hate mongering, then I will take that as a compliment. I do have a profound hate for slavery, fascism, socialism, communism, nazism, baathism, and terrorism. Yet because I have the cajones to stand up against them, I am accused of being a neo con, hate monger, war monger, and whatever else you liberals feel the need to accuse me of in some feeble attempt to justify your corrupt and misguided beliefs. Do you even know which way is up? | |
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke | |
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| | Cletus
Posts:126
| | 09/30/2007 3:34 PM |
Alert | | I didn't realize disagreeing with you made one a liberal. I didn't realize disagreeing with you made one corrupt and misguided. You seem to have a very high opinion of your own beliefs and absolutely no respect for the beliefs of others. I think that might make you fascist. | | | |
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| | jhall
Posts:1342
| | 09/30/2007 4:49 PM |
Alert | | It's a two way street Cletus. Your beliefs and view suggest you are a Liberal.... are you not? | |
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke | |
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| | Cletus
Posts:126
| | 09/30/2007 5:22 PM |
Alert | Posted By jhall on 09/30/2007 4:49 PM
It's a two way street Cletus. Your beliefs and view suggest you are a Liberal.... are you not?
What beliefs and view? You have no idea what I believe or what my view is. Except the view I just expressed that you have absolutely no respect for the opinions or beliefs of others and that you seem to have a very high opinion of your own position, beliefs, and views. You state that those with a differing view from you are "misguided." To disagree with Jhall is to be an idiot apparently. The ego and arrogance involved here is amazing.
If you showed a little more respect for the opinions and beliefs of others it might actually be interesting to engage in a discussion and/or debate with you. But as it stands, its not worth the time or the effort. | | | |
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| | Cletus
Posts:126
| | 09/30/2007 6:01 PM |
Alert | Posted By jhall on 09/30/2007 3:12 PM
If calling a murderer a murderer is hate mongering, then I will take that as a compliment. I do have a profound hate for slavery, fascism, socialism, communism, nazism, baathism, and terrorism. Yet because I have the cajones to stand up against them, I am accused of being a neo con, hate monger, war monger, and whatever else you liberals feel the need to accuse me of in some feeble attempt to justify your corrupt and misguided beliefs. Do you even know which way is up?
Last I checked posting anonymously on a small town forum does not equal having cajones or even "standing up against" anything. I see a lot of rhetoric from you but unless I'm missing something, no action. Try enlisting and serving your country then you can claim you're "standing up" or that you have cajones. Until then you're all talk and no action. Which is fine. Just don't make the claim you're actually doing something other than posting diatribes anonymously on a small town forum. | | | |
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| | jhall
Posts:1342
| | 09/30/2007 6:59 PM |
Alert | | You think this is the only forum I use bwahahaha! "Standing up against" can be done anywhere.... small town, or somewhere as big as the Capital. I grew up in the military and when my time came, I wasn't able to serve. The air force will not take you if you get migraines. I have lived all over the world and have seen these various oppressing governments 1st hand. Not from cnn.... | |
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke | |
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| | Cletus
Posts:126
| | 09/30/2007 7:06 PM |
Alert | Posted By jhall on 09/30/2007 6:59 PM
You think this is the only forum I use bwahahaha! "Standing up against" can be done anywhere.... small town, or somewhere as big as the Capital. I grew up in the military and when my time came, I wasn't able to serve. The air force will not take you if you get migraines. I have lived all over the world and have seen these various oppressing governments 1st hand. Not from cnn....
Great. Go do something about it. Last I checked the Air Force is not the only option available for service (ever heard of the Army, Navy, or Marines?) Civil service is also available to you. And perhaps those migraines are caused by all of your anger and disdain for your fellow man and their opposing beliefs.
You're missing the point. Posting anonymously is all talk and no action; regardless of where you post. And belittling the beliefs of others who disagree with you is juvenile, small minded, and counterproductive wherever you do it. Small town or at the Capital. | | | |
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| | drummer72
Posts:3886
| | 09/30/2007 9:30 PM |
Alert | Where have you lived Jhall?
Your migraines don't stop you from posting on this forums or making a living do they? If the answer is no, you could be doing something to be serving your country, soldier.
Your migrianes don't stop you from shooting guns at targets or pictures of liberals do they? If the answer is no, you could be fighting terrorism, soldier. | |
"Everything for everyone and nothing for ourselves" | |
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| | MommaToni
Posts:1045
| | 09/30/2007 9:55 PM |
Alert | Not to defend him but the armed forces don't let people with medical conditions like that do certain jobs. Who's to say he wouldn't get a migraine blur his vison and shoot the worng guy? Fly a plane?Bomb the wrong place? ummm...no thanks... let him sit on the forum, please.
My stance on abortion....well, I have many different angles.....
My stance on this lady that the thread is actually about. After all those dead bnabies something should have been done. That's just way too many "accidents".
War... I think that it can and has help depending on the cause and situation. No one can say that this country has not benefited from war before. That's how we have all these wonderful freedoms. Unfortunately, sometimes action does need to be taken.
IMO
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| | Cletus
Posts:126
| | 10/01/2007 6:52 AM |
Alert | The mentally ill woman discussed in the story above has absolutely nothing to do with abortion. This is obviously someone who needs to be institutionalized. To associate abortion with her psychotic actions is way off base. Its a cheap shot to include her as the poster girl for abortion.
I don't completely disagree with some of the points jhall makes in his rants on various subjects. In fact, at various times in our history, war has been the only reasonable course (just not now and not with Iraq). The trouble is that those few saliant points are lost in the blatent disregard for the beliefs and opinions of others.
Chronic migraines are probably good reason to not be in the armed forces. But there are other service options available. | | | |
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| | jhall
Posts:1342
| | 10/01/2007 7:35 AM |
Alert | It is not a cheap shot Cletus, she got off, because they labeled it as abortion. She got off because they can't decide if she killed them before or after they were born.
On your service options, I do community service and help with various charitable organizations. Now stay on topic. | |
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke | |
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