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LadyAmalthea
Posts:86
 | | 07/13/2007 4:43 PM |
 Alert | Posted By Reagan on 07/13/2007 4:34 PM Posted By LadyAmalthea on 07/13/2007 2:23 PM Posted By Reagan on 07/13/2007 12:54 PM
From the L. A. Times
9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County .)
Y, esto es importante porque? I think it's sad that, in America, most people only speak one language (and most of them speak it badly at that!). What's the big deal about learning another language? It's customary in many European countries. Unfortunately, in the United States, foriegn languages are offered as an "elective" if at all - and then in the later grades. Why not at the elementary, or even pre-school level, when children are more receptive to learning other languages? I've studied hard to learn three languages besides English, in none of which I would consider myself fluent. However, learning a new language changes the way you relate, the way you think...aha, therein lies the rub. Perhaps that's why we're so afraid - it might challenge our comfortable way of thinking. Illegals come here for a better life. Those of us who were lucky enough to be born here don't appreciate what we have. We have the chance, the opportunity, to expand our knowledge, and with it, better the entire world. Instead, we treat our privilege of being born here as an inherent right, and denigrate those born elsewhere. America is the land of opportunity - let's keep it that way! I find it odd that you take me on with the English speaking part of my post! I have no problem with you learning other languages. My problem is that in my country I might be forced to speak another language to accomdate ILLEGALS in my country. So you don't care about school overcrowding because of illegals? A 40/1 student teacher ratio and people wonder why our education system sucks! You don't care that your tax dollars are paying 35k-50k a year to house criminals that shouldn't be here in the first place? You don't care that the line at the local ER might be 3-4 hours because the illegals are first in line when they shouldn't be here in the first place? Maybe you have a better chance of getting killed or raped by a citizen rather than an illegal, but it doesn't make those losses excuseable. Those are victims who should be victims because the ILLEGALS shouldn't be here in the first place!
I've taught in such schools (the ones with the 40/1 student teacher ratio - and worse). I never once found that the nationality/ethnicity of my students was the problem.
I don't know what an ER line is. I'm sorry for that. But it must be some type of employment issue.
And, no, I don't care that my tax dollars pay that much to who you call "illegals". As I recall, we (meaning the melting pot of Europeans that make up America as we know it today) were here later than the Native Americans. I'd rather have any of my monies go to causes that support life, rather than destroy it, as the current administration seems want to do, with it's anti-immigration policies and it's ill-caused wars. I'd gladly pay half of what little I have, if I knew it was going to PEOPLE, not to war, or pork-bellied politicians.
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"Ain't nothin' but a barn dance, sugar. Ain't nothin' but a round de round" - Sara Tidwell and the High Tops | |
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| | Reagan
Posts:682
| | 07/13/2007 5:01 PM |
Alert | Anti-immigration policy by this adminstration? They couldn't be more kind by trying to give Amnesty to the biggest group of CRIMINALS in this country. Don't try the compassion line on me. I am all for legal immigration. Its the CRIMINALS that have no right to health care, education, social services, or citizenship. They can wait in line with everyone else.
By the way genius, ER stands for Emergency Room.
And another thing. Don't caption so called "illegals." That is what they are and we all know it. | |
Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.
Reagan, Los Angeles Times, January 7, 1970 | |
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| | LampLiteSniper
Posts:463
| | 07/13/2007 5:37 PM |
Alert | | I really cannot believe you stated that you don't care that our tax dollars go to illegals, this is exactly what is wrong with this country, our forefathers are probly turning over in their graves right now because of what has become of this country, and all of our ancestors that fought and died for our freedoms and to keep America the great country it once was, what a shame. It's people like you, the humanitarian that won't see the light untill something unfortunate happens to you or your family at the hands of someone that shouldn't be in this country in the first place. The only vote I would cast for illegals would be shoot on sight. | | | |
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| | vytor
Posts:45
| | 07/13/2007 6:28 PM |
Alert | Posted By Reagan on 07/13/2007 5:01 PM
Anti-immigration policy by this adminstration? They couldn't be more kind by trying to give Amnesty to the biggest group of CRIMINALS in this country. Don't try the compassion line on me. I am all for legal immigration. Its the CRIMINALS that have no right to health care, education, social services, or citizenship. They can wait in line with everyone else.
By the way genius, ER stands for Emergency Room.
And another thing. Don't caption so called "illegals." That is what they are and we all know it.
I am with him!!!!
You know that Mexico has the highest amount of per capita Millionaires? Yes they do look it up. Of course they are agains us putting up a border and denying their POS citizens entry to the states!!! Don't get me wrong in every group there are good people.. But if you are going to break the law, lie steal or cheat your way into the country you are already a POS in my book... Go through the proper procedures, and be a LEGAL Immagrant and I have no problem with you at all as long as you went through that and you are not some kind of criminal/thief etc...
What happens if an american goes to Mexico and buys a house and starts living there as an Illegal?
WE GET LOCKED UP FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!
I would LOVE to see them round all of the Illegals up and deport every single last one of them! Hell give a bounty for turning them in and even the LEGAL Immagrants will start to turn in the ILLEGALS! | | | |
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| | LadyAmalthea
Posts:86
| | 07/13/2007 9:06 PM |
Alert | Let me tell you a story...
My great-grandparents (so I'm told) came to this country to escape persecution in their own. They spoke a language that doesn't even use the same letters/writing as we do. Although I've already conceded that immigrants should learn the language of the country to which they immigrate, that's not the story.
No, this story is of a woman with five children. She was unfortunate enough to be born into a country where birth control is all but non-existent, and even if she had access to it, she would not have had the means to obtain it. You see, she lived in conditions most of us would consider inhumane. No electricity - meaning no TV, no AC to you spoiled folk. No water, which would mean no showers to those of you who cringe at body odor. No jobs. A mere remnant of a shack to call "home".
Her husband (and they were married, by custom and by the religion that existed where they lived) went north to find a better life. He was able, through labour most of us would be unable or unwilling to do, to cross "the border". Hence, he was a "criminal".
By working jobs (for some of which he was paid, for some of which he was ignored) most of us unwilling to do, he was able to earn enough money to bring his family here.
Now, she scrubs "rich people's" (meaning people like us, who have homes they can only dream of owning, someday) toilets, taking her children with her when the homeowner is absent or will condescend to allow "different" kids into their home. He still works all the jobs he can. They are very proud to be able to take their kids "back-to-school-shopping" at the All American WalMart. Are they working on both their English and obtaining their official citizenship? Yes, on both counts. But it's a long road, and to say they are the "dirtbags" draining our society dry is just cruel. They work harder than most of us will ever know - after all, you must be "rich" enough to afford a computer to be on this forum, right? And they do not own one. So I must speak for them.
Yes, I'm vociferous on this topic. But I always thought some degree of humanity was a stalwart of Americanism. | |
"Ain't nothin' but a barn dance, sugar. Ain't nothin' but a round de round" - Sara Tidwell and the High Tops | |
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| | LadyAmalthea
Posts:86
| | 07/13/2007 9:13 PM |
Alert | | BTW, I am no "genius" nor pretend to be. My apologies to Eliot for "jacking" a line from his great poetry. | |
"Ain't nothin' but a barn dance, sugar. Ain't nothin' but a round de round" - Sara Tidwell and the High Tops | |
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|  | Lano
Posts:274
| | 07/13/2007 10:27 PM |
Alert | | Everyone is pretty passionate about this issue....bottom line, we are where are because of the collosal failure of our government to secure it's borders, and Mexico doing nothing to improve their economy. | | | |
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| | Reagan
Posts:682
| | 07/14/2007 9:09 AM |
Alert | That is great and I am sure these hard-working people in your story came here legally and assimilated into our culture. If we wanted to take every person in the world that lived without utilities or running water, we would have a billion people living here. If just can't work.
The problem with the ILLEGALS coming from south of our border, is that their country isn't poor. Depending on who's numbers you believe, the richest man in the world isn't Mr Gates anymore, its a Mexican living in Mexico!
I shouldn't have to work for them to birth children, be educated, and live off my welfare. If they want to come here, I welcome them. Get in line and do it legally, otherwise you are a CRIMINAL, and a FELON. We are a country of laws, and they must be obeyed. | |
Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.
Reagan, Los Angeles Times, January 7, 1970 | |
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| | Reagan
Posts:682
| | 07/14/2007 9:14 AM |
Alert | The other thing you don't understand is that the millions of CRIMINALS that are here in the Southwest are taught in Mexico that this is there land and America stole it from them. They are taught to come here, don't learn our language, and don't obey our laws because this is their land, not ours.
So keep welcoming them in and let them start voting and let LaRaz, the racist origanization lead them into the future. Then before you know it, your Spanish will come in really handy because you will be living in Maricopa, AZ, Mexico. Good luck with that!!! | |
Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.
Reagan, Los Angeles Times, January 7, 1970 | |
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| | DesertDweller
Posts:2548
| | 07/14/2007 9:34 PM |
Alert | Regardless of how impoverished their native country is, or how hard working the individuals are, there is no excuse for illegally crossing our border and burdening our economic country with an undue amount of poverty. There are legal means to immigrate into this country for the purpose of working, or to eventually achieve citizenship. Crossing illegally disrespects the system that has made this country desirable to begin with. If we allow unmitigated immigration into the United States, it will collapse under the strain.
It is incumbent upon the migrant to assimilate into the culture to which he has moved. It is not the responsibility of the culture to accommodate him or his family, to teach them the language of the land, to provide for their medical needs, or anything else to advance them.
We have immigration quotas to regulate the number of people who come into this country from each other country. I have seen people with postgraduate degrees who have had to return to their native country, as ridiculous as it seemed, because of some administrative rule about how many from each country were permitted to immigrate or because of expiration of a work visa. And for each one of these folks, there are a thousand uneducated, un-vaccinated, unskilled people of undetermined origin and background crossing into the U.S. from Mexico. For some reason, we're supposed to do nothing other than feel sorry for them. | |
Stupid should hurt!
Desert Dweller - Senior Member - Posts: 2982 - Joined: Feb 2006 | |
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| | TortosaGuy
Posts:676
| | 07/14/2007 10:19 PM |
Alert | copy and paste the address below....you may have seen this cartoon about illegal immigration if it were reversed...but its always a great laugh to see it again and again if youve seen it previously
http://americancomedynetwork.com/animation.html?bit_id=24620 | |
*formerly known as inyrfce2*
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| | TU Pablo
Posts:21
| | 07/14/2007 10:38 PM |
Alert | I live in Tulsa, OK most of the time and have a second home in Maricopa. Oklahoma has been inundated by illegals like most of the border states. Recently, the State legislature passed a strong law, which includes a felony provision if someone knowingly transports or gives sanctuary to an illegal.
Allegedly, this law is of great concern to the illegals. The liberal Tulsa World has daily front page articles about how the illegals are afraid of this law and that it is breaking up families and forcing some of them to go back to Mexico.
In the meantime, many honest citizens have been in auto accidents with illegals. Many of the illegals don't have insurance, don't show up in court when ordered to and don't have any regard for our laws.
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| | DesertDweller
Posts:2548
| | 07/15/2007 8:12 AM |
Alert | And Pablo, this is only one of the issues of concern, but a big one. When you're paying someone $6/hour for whatever they're doing, or, for that matter, even $10/hr, they can't afford to insure a vehicle. Even if they could afford insurance, why give up 15-25% of your income to pay for auto insurance when you have no assets?
The employer benefits from the cheap labor. The public pays yet another cost of illegal immigration. If you've been to Mexico, you see how insistent they are that American tourists have Mexican auto insurance. They can enforce this because we cross the border legally. | |
Stupid should hurt!
Desert Dweller - Senior Member - Posts: 2982 - Joined: Feb 2006 | |
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| | TortosaGuy
Posts:676
| | 07/15/2007 8:16 AM |
Alert | | TU PABLO.....its like that here too with illegals not showing up to face the music....and its these big shot business people who are crying and whining now that AZ passed the business sanction law.....something that will actually help crack down and their main reason they want it overturned is because its solely the feds problem to fix.....true the feds need to step up....but last time i checked the states could enact laws of their own as well....i mean if its legal for two men or women to get married in a couple of states....for gods sake...we should be able to enact the legislation we did....personally makes more sense then allowing gay couples to be legally recognized....just my opinion on that one | |
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| | utahjazzfan
Posts:96
| | 07/15/2007 1:59 PM |
Alert | I know way too many people from Mexico that were brought here illegaly by their parents when they were just babies or early gradeschool. A child that age doesnt know whats going on or have anysay in the matter of staying or going. Now that same child has grown up in America, graduated from High School, cant go to college, cant drive a car or get a good job to live a normal life, and has probably started his or her own family by now. Of course they speak perfect English, and most of us cant tell they were ever from Mexico originally because they have all adopted the American lifestyle. What do we do with them? What if that were you? Im sure they are all scared to death to be deported to Mexico, they know nothing about their native country and wouldnt survive 2 weeks there. I know this because I have met atleast 50 of them in this situation in the two jobs Ive had since moving to AZ.
I agree that we need to tighten up the border to prevent more of this, but for those who have been here, and can prove they have been here for the past 20 years, I think something must be done to help them. Its a waste to society for younger kids to have no future. | | | |
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| | DesertDweller
Posts:2548
| | 07/15/2007 2:28 PM |
Alert | | With an American high school diploma and 18 years of the best health care that money can buy, perhaps they can go to Mexico to help out with the revolution, reclaim their country from corruption, and restore their birthright. | |
Stupid should hurt!
Desert Dweller - Senior Member - Posts: 2982 - Joined: Feb 2006 | |
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| | Reagan
Posts:682
| | 07/15/2007 3:00 PM |
Alert | Anyone is that particular situation, (been here longer than 20 years) would have fallen under Reagan's Amnesty from 20 years ago, I believe. Besides that, anyone that crossed the border at an age so young, wouldn't be tried or convicted.
The problem if we ever start deporting these people, is when we make expections for people in the above mentioned situation. There are 12-20 million criminals here that wouldn't think twice about saying they were here from a very young age as well. | |
Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.
Reagan, Los Angeles Times, January 7, 1970 | |
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| | LampLiteSniper
Posts:463
| | 07/17/2007 3:51 PM |
Alert |
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each
year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such
as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school
education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of
English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the
American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare &
social services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused
by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two
and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their
children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the
United States .
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens
that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens
from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth,
heroine and marijuana, crossed into
the U. S. from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report:
http://tinyurl.com/t9sht
12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of
mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average
cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to
their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes
Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ".
http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
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| | Reagan
Posts:682
| | 07/17/2007 4:39 PM |
Alert | Great numbers however they must be wrong; they only come here to work or to escape third world countries.
J/K. As shocking as these numbers are, and the costs are huge, it is no real suprise. Too bad you won't hear these numbers on NBC, CBS, ABC, or FOX. | |
Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.
Reagan, Los Angeles Times, January 7, 1970 | |
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| | TortosaGuy
Posts:676
| | 07/17/2007 4:57 PM |
Alert | | i like DD's suggestion on what those people should do...go back to mexico and create change there | |
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