calievo1
Posts:32
 | | 10/14/2008 9:35 PM |
 Alert | Haha I know many of you dislike to hear Obama making promises and believe Mccain is the man to take the job for the next president but aside from this, what could have been if Kerry would have been president: -of course not every country will like the U.S. but I do believe there could have been more friendly open talks with other countries compared to how today countries like Russia, Venezuela, and Iran dislike us more than ever -lower deficit on the national debt -no war Before you start bashing my personal opinion what do you all think would have happened? ..now that we know what moves Bush did in his last 4 years in office. | | | |
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Wompus
Posts:634
| | 10/15/2008 8:38 AM |
Alert | Nobody is bashing your opinion here but I believe electing Kerry would have been a bad decision.
2004... we would either still be in Iraq or have pulled out immediately giving the terrorists a strong foot hold, since the surge wasn't until recently. The financial markets would be the same, especially Fannie Mae considering Kerry was number 3 on their payout list, only after Dodd and OBAMA...
As far as Kerry's foreign policy proposal using world views as a "Litmus Test" for American action, I don't think that would solve anything except giving out more money to undeserved countries and trying to kiss the butts of our enemies... like Chavez and Ahmadinejad. | | | |
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caveman
Posts:1274
| | 10/15/2008 11:34 AM |
Alert | Posted By Wompus on 10/15/2008 8:38 AM
2004... we would either still be in Iraq or have pulled out immediately giving the terrorists a strong foot hold There are no terrorists in Iraq, that is merely an urban legend. | | | |
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asugrl
Posts:723
| | 10/15/2008 1:36 PM |
Alert | Posted By caveman on 10/15/2008 11:34 AM Posted By Wompus on 10/15/2008 8:38 AM
2004... we would either still be in Iraq or have pulled out immediately giving the terrorists a strong foot hold There are no terrorists in Iraq, that is merely an urban legend. Lol, good one.  | | | |
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caveman
Posts:1274
| | 10/15/2008 1:57 PM |
Alert | | I forgot asugrl Saddam planned the 911 attacks and had his henchmen do it for him. If we don't fight them there we will fight them here. Terrorists will follow us home like a lost puppy if we don't take care of business in Iraq. | | | |
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pissedparent
Posts:354
| | 10/15/2008 2:20 PM |
Alert | Posted By caveman on 10/15/2008 1:57 PM
I forgot asugrl Saddam planned the 911 attacks and had his henchmen do it for him. If we don't fight them there we will fight them here. Terrorists will follow us home like a lost puppy if we don't take care of business in Iraq.
There is a terrorist in EVERY country in the world. Remember Tim McVeigh?
I'm sure Iraq has at least one...... Back on topic, I really don't think anything would be different under Kerry. | | | |
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corman
Posts:1382
| | 10/15/2008 4:08 PM |
Alert | | One HUGE difference........Kerry would have been charged with "conflict of interest", because everyone in the service would have been forced to eat Hienz Mustard and Ketchup. | | | |
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geewiz
Posts:482
| | 10/16/2008 8:20 PM |
Alert | I have to agree with caveman on this there is no terrorist in iraq is an urban legend thought up by Bush haters | |
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asugrl
Posts:723
| | 10/16/2008 10:03 PM |
Alert | Posted By caveman on 10/15/2008 1:57 PM
I forgot asugrl Saddam planned the 911 attacks and had his henchmen do it for him. If we don't fight them there we will fight them here. Terrorists will follow us home like a lost puppy if we don't take care of business in Iraq.
Wow, where did Saddam get his terrorists for his terrorist training camps?? He paid suicide bombers' families once they blew themselves and others up. You are naive if you think there are no terrorists in Iraq. | | | |
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caveman
Posts:1274
| | 10/17/2008 10:20 AM |
Alert | Posted By asugrl on 10/16/2008 10:03 PM Posted By caveman on 10/15/2008 1:57 PM
I forgot asugrl Saddam planned the 911 attacks and had his henchmen do it for him. If we don't fight them there we will fight them here. Terrorists will follow us home like a lost puppy if we don't take care of business in Iraq.
Wow, where did Saddam get his terrorists for his terrorist training camps?? He paid suicide bombers' families once they blew themselves and others up. You are naive if you think there are no terrorists in Iraq. Let me clarify, Al Queda is not in Iraq. Every country has terrorists in it to some extent but the ones that attacked us had no connection to Saddam Hussein. Do you really believe that Saddam had a hand in 911? | | | |
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thick
Posts:652
| | 10/17/2008 10:59 AM |
Alert | | My memory's a little fuzzy, but I thought we went to war in Iraq because we believed Saddam was developing weapons of mass destruction in spite of the fact he wasn't supposed to. Of course, we were still seething from the 9/11 attacks and it's probably pretty easy for most Americans to lump all Mideast countries into one, so it seems that we confuse the 2 issues. The conspiracy theorists may believe our invasion of Iraq was a "convenient" way to get troops over there to sniff out Al Queda and Bin Laden. I suspect there's probably some truth to that. | | | |
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jhall
Posts:1351
| | 10/17/2008 12:20 PM |
Alert | | Iraq was already on the table, drawn up by billy bob clinton. lets not forget the 1000's of un "resolutions" against Saddam that were never carried out. | |
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Dweezil
Posts:73
| | 10/17/2008 3:48 PM |
Alert | You know what? Some of you are just plain stupid... No terrorists in Iraq? Who makes and sets off the IED's? Bored kids? And you know that you don't give an Obama about the people of Iraq and only bring it up because you have no other arguement. In fact you could care less about the people who live there. Like your messiah, you are hypocites. In the messiahs book he talks about what a shame it is that kids are hungry in the world. In that passage he coined the famous quote,"a white mans greed runs the world in need" But yesterday his wife ordered lobster appetizers, two steamed lobsters, iranian caviar and champange from room service from the presidential suite at the New York Waldorf Astoria | | | |
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caveman
Posts:1274
| | 10/17/2008 8:12 PM |
Alert | Posted By Dweezil on 10/17/2008 3:48 PM You know what? Some of you are just plain stupid... Perhaps you should take a long hard look in the mirror... No terrorists in Iraq? Who makes and sets off the IED's? Bored kids? Pissed off Iraqis that don't want us there. If you invaded the US there would be plenty of non military resistance that you would face. And you know that you don't give an Obama about the people of Iraq and only bring it up because you have no other arguement. What makes Iraqis so important to you? Why are they more important than the genocides in Darfur? How liberal of you to look out for other nations like this. you are hypocites. In the messiahs book he talks about what a shame it is that kids are hungry in the world. In that passage he coined the famous quote,"a white mans greed runs the world in need" You lost me here. But yesterday his wife ordered lobster appetizers, two steamed lobsters, iranian caviar and champange from room service from the presidential suite at the New York Waldorf Astoria What do you eat sloppy joes? What is your point here? | | | |
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Dweezil
Posts:73
| | 10/19/2008 10:19 AM |
Alert | My point is that you and I both know that there are terrorists in Iraq. That invading Iraq was the right thing to do. It could have been better handled in the begininng, yes. Your boy Kerry had the same views before it BENEFITED him politically to have a differnet opinion. I'm proud of the results we have in Iraq and know that we need the anchor we have established there. It is the most volatile part of the world and the part of the world that sent terrorists to my country and killed thousands of people on my soil. You view politics as a game. You are still mad that your "team" lost the last two presidential elections and will use anything and anyone to garner support for your "team". Have you ever voted out of party? I have. I voted for Perot and then Clinton. And then I woke up... | | | |
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Dweezil
Posts:73
| | 10/19/2008 10:30 AM |
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you are hypocites. In the messiahs book he talks about what a shame it is that kids are hungry in the world. In that passage he coined the famous quote,"a white mans greed runs the world in need"
You lost me here.
But yesterday his wife ordered lobster appetizers, two steamed lobsters, iranian caviar and champange from room service from the presidential suite at the New York Waldorf Astoria
What do you eat sloppy joes? What is your point here?""
Okay. Comprehend here just a bit okay? Barry wrote a book. Called the white men greedy and how we don't do enough to feed the hungry people. So he is better and would not be greedy because he isn't white ( hey, his message, not mine) "The white mans greed runs a world in need".
Okay cool. Nice viewpoint to have.
But any a$$bite can SAY that. What I would want is if you are running for president and that is part of your platform to differentiate yourself, to make you the candidate of "CHANGE" that you wouldn't be a hypocrite about it.
Saying that greedy white white men run the world while kids starve while ordering lobsters and Iranian caviar while staying in the presidential suite at the Waldorf Astoria is hypocritical.
It's do as I say, not as I do.
Now I ask you, if you aren't "lost" again, is that really the person you want to be president?
Sigh...
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caveman
Posts:1274
| | 10/19/2008 12:20 PM |
Alert | Posted By Dweezil on 10/19/2008 10:19 AM My point is that you and I both know that there are terrorists in Iraq. I know there are terrorists in my own country, perhaps we should invade. That invading Iraq was the right thing to do. It could have been better handled in the begininng, yes. How was invading Iraq right? There are tons of countries with ruthless dictators. What made Iraq the one to go after? I'm proud of the results we have in Iraq and know that we need the anchor we have established there. It is the most volatile part of the world and the part of the world that sent terrorists to my country and killed thousands of people on my soil. Iraq did not send the 911 terrorists to attack. Al Queda was not a part of Saddams regime. You view politics as a game. You are still mad that your "team" lost the last two presidential elections and will use anything and anyone to garner support for your "team". It is not a game. I too voted for Perot in 92 and then clinton in 96. In 2004 I had seen that Bush was fear mongerin and leading this country the wrong way so I voted against him. Bush has been a disaster for this country and has led us astray. He could have done so much good after 911 but instead of making us stronger he sent us to war in Iraq on a false premise. | | | |
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Powerball
Posts:100
| | 10/19/2008 10:47 PM |
Alert | Posted By caveman on 10/15/2008 11:34 AM There are no terrorists in Iraq, that is merely an urban legend. Apparently you've never been to Iraq. Tell that to the Iraqis getting blown up at the funerals of friends and relatives that have taken up arms against these terrorists that, according to you, don't exist in Iraq. | |
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asugrl
Posts:723
| | 10/20/2008 12:22 AM |
Alert | Posted By caveman on 10/17/2008 10:20 AM Posted By asugrl on 10/16/2008 10:03 PM Posted By caveman on 10/15/2008 1:57 PM
I forgot asugrl Saddam planned the 911 attacks and had his henchmen do it for him. If we don't fight them there we will fight them here. Terrorists will follow us home like a lost puppy if we don't take care of business in Iraq.
Wow, where did Saddam get his terrorists for his terrorist training camps?? He paid suicide bombers' families once they blew themselves and others up. You are naive if you think there are no terrorists in Iraq. Let me clarify, Al Queda is not in Iraq. Every country has terrorists in it to some extent but the ones that attacked us had no connection to Saddam Hussein. Do you really believe that Saddam had a hand in 911? No, which is why I never said he had a hand in 9/11. Do you honestly believe every terrorist was connected to 9/11, or that only the terrorists who were deserve to be caught? A terrorist is a terrorist, plan and simple, and the more we can find and punish, the better. There is nothing wrong with putting troops in a country with known terrorists and Saddam himself (a whole other story, but terrible man nonetheless), along with the country we know is responsible for 9/11. | | | |
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Dweezil
Posts:73
| | 10/20/2008 9:30 AM |
Alert | I'm proud of the results we have in Iraq and know that we need the anchor we have established there. It is the most volatile part of the world and the part of the world that sent terrorists to my country and killed thousands of people on my soil. """"Iraq did not send the 911 terrorists to attack. Al Queda was not a part of Saddams regime."""" I never said that, my word. Read a bit slower maybe... You seem to forget that George Bush isn't running for president and all you have is to call John McCain the same as the current president. How about addressing the hypocrisy of your messiah instead of just shouting "Iraq" every time someone brings up something about your empty suit running for president. | | | |
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